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  • kwhitmo
    kwhitmo Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2014

    Hi!  First time posting...  Have a question.  I have received 15/25 radiation treatments so far and I am having difficulty swallowing & pain in my throat.  Anyone else experiencing this?  Anything I can do to make it better?  This is my second battle - didn't have radiation the first time.  It was in my lymph nodes this time, so getting radiation of the breast, armpit & neck.  I'm so close to the finish line but worried about this!  Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.  Thanks!

  • charusa
    charusa Member Posts: 107
    edited November 2014

    Hi everyone, been away from the boards for a little bit just trying
    to live life with so much going on in my family both good and bad. I do
    have a question to throw out throw out there. A lot of you are C/O
    fatigue and weight gain which I am also going through. I saw my MO just
    before I finished my rads and had blood drawn. Today I had my follow up
    appt. with my MO and my TSH (thyroid levels) are through the roof and
    just so happens fatigue and weight gain are symtoms of that. I know
    pre-cancer my TSH was within normal range. She told me it most likely is
    a side effect of rads. I showed her how high up my neck I had
    discoloration and she really didn't understand why he (the rads doc)
    went so high above the clavicle. I am sure they will get together and
    talk about that but in the mean time I got put on synthroid, starting
    off with a very low dose then increasing it little by little. I go back
    Dec. 1 to have blood work then see her again a week after that. You
    would not believe but one side effect of this med is MILD HAIR LOSS!!!! I
    am praying I don't loose what little hair has come back!!! Just wanted
    to know if anyone else has found out they also have high thyroid levels
    post rads?

    Char

  • bride
    bride Member Posts: 382
    edited November 2014

    Kwhitmo,

    I'm finishing rads tomorrow. My RO had me positioned so that my head was turned to the left and my right hand rested on top of my head -- typical for aiming at both the chest and lymph areas. The right side of my throat was often sore and I had trouble swallowing. My RO suggested Magic Mouthwash which didn't help, though it did help a couple of others I've met. What worked for me was avoiding anything too hot or too cold when drinking or eating. I did also notice that if I basically rested my throat, it wasn't as bothersome. As soon as my boost started my throat issues stopped completely. One side effect that didn't linger. :) 

    bride

  • Gilesmt
    Gilesmt Member Posts: 65
    edited November 2014

    kwhitmo, I had the sore throat, it only lasted two or three days and was not to bad, just suck on life savers. What was worse was the taste of metal, that still lingers.

    Charusa, I was told last week about my thyroid problems, then again today it came up. But my RO was asked by me when I started and she insisted that thyroid is not a SE of rads. I hate when they lie, because online it states several places that thyroid is a long term side effect. And if I know one thing, if there is a slight chance of getting something I will get it, Cancer has done that to me, blood clots, lymphodema, thyroid, you name it I got it all, just to fight a cancer I am sure I will be fighting again and again. No one has had breast cancer in the family, but every other kind of cancer and everyone of them has had another type and then another type and then another type and then they die. Sorry it is a down time for me, I am furious that the lymphodema is getting worse and worse, and because of the blood clots I can't use compression wraps or sleeves, now they tell me I have thyroid problems. Then the machine broke on me again this morning, it is the 15 out of the 26 treatments, that the machine broke when I was getting my treatment, last week it did it four times. Then the doctor was back and ordered me silverdine, I asked for it last week but she was on vacation and the doc covering said no so I suffer more than a week and she says I can have it. I am getting real sick of all of this and I told them the machine breaks down one more time and I won't be back for more treatments, I'm done.

  • clarrn
    clarrn Member Posts: 557
    edited November 2014

    Gilesmt -  gggrrr.... what a gongshow this disease can be!!  I too got every SE under the sun :(  I hope your machine starts to work, and that the rest of your rads go smoothly!  

  • Jaimieh
    Jaimieh Member Posts: 2,373
    edited November 2014

    so I finished rads last Thursday and o. Sunday I developed blisters where the tape was. Grrrrrr.  So I am putting minimal lotions etc because aquaphor and aloe seem to be keeping the blister moist instead of helping them heal. 

    I started working out again today. I still can't believe how out of shape I am and my radiated breast was achy during the workout. I just hope that my workout tomorrow is bare able. 

  • charusa
    charusa Member Posts: 107
    edited November 2014

    Gilesmt....sounds like you have been through the wringer multiple times!!! Rant on...I would be!!! My RO never mentioned anything about the thyroid he did tell me about long term side effect that could happen to the lung but that could not be helped. I just hope they went that high because it was necessary and not a mistake in their calculations...hopefully my level will go down gradually with the meds.

    Oh and yes I have done some reading about it and don't like what I have been seeing....

  • jeanelle
    jeanelle Member Posts: 179
    edited November 2014

    I saw the nurse before my appointment yesterday.  Yep, the rash is due to the radiation.  She told me to put some hydrocortisone cream on it. It seems to be helping somewhat.  I also ended up with a large red spot under my breast that I hadn't noticed before.  It is very tender.  I'm sure it is probably the start of a burn area.  

    On the bright side, I'm 1/2 way done now.  Only 10 full breast and 5 boosts to go.  

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited November 2014

    Way to go, Jeanelle!  Hope the SEs go away quickly.  Hugs!

  • jeanelle
    jeanelle Member Posts: 179
    edited November 2014

    Thanks Peggy!  Hugs back!

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited November 2014


    charusa - I've been taking Armour thyroid for years and I was worried that the radiation scatter would make my hypothyroidism worse so asked the rad/onco if there was a - for lack of a better word "lead apron" like you wear at the dentist to cover my throat with and protect my thyroid gland.  She acted like I was nuts!

    On another note, low thyroid can make your hair thinner and so does too much thyroid so it's a delicate balance. You have to start out with a very low dose and gradually increase it until your thyroid levels are good.  I had to cut the pills in half in order to do increases more gradually due to sensitivity to the meds (can cause anxiety/racing heart if increased to fast).  Synthroid did not work for me because my body does not convert T4 into T3 so hence the Armour thyroid which has both. I've used Rograin for about 15 years (about the time of menopause) so I've never been able to pinpoint if I had hair loss from low thyroid or from taking Armour.....

  • Puffin2014
    Puffin2014 Member Posts: 961
    edited November 2014

    Lolis: congrats on finishing! I got teary too when I rang the bell.

  • Generation3
    Generation3 Member Posts: 45
    edited November 2014

    Gilesmt, sorry you're having such a rough time. My machine has broken 3 times as well. The first time it was down 4 days so they set up a rad plan for me on their other machine and then worked on Saturday so I could at least get 3 tx in that week. The next time it broke they were able to do me on the other machine because I already had a plan set up.  Now I'm on my last week  5 boosts that should have started yesterday. I got there just as the machine broke again. But because my boost plan is new and only set up for 1 machine  I'm behind again. I had plans to go to see my sister this weekend and stay for 9 days, I may have to put that on hold.......damn! These machines are so specialized and complicated with many moving parts it's no wonder they break down.  I'm hoping I can have 2 tx on Friday 1 early am and 1 late pm so I can still go see my sis. Well, try to have a good week.

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited November 2014

    I was lucky.  My machine went down only once.  They were able to fix it the same day and I went back in the afternoon to get my rads.  I can't imagine the mess created by having it break so many times.  UGH!

  • Puffin2014
    Puffin2014 Member Posts: 961
    edited November 2014

    I had one delay, the little red light bulb burned out, only set things back an hour. So glad I didn't have any breakdowns that changed my whole schedule up.

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited November 2014


    I can handle chemo and I can handle rads but I don't think I could handle ringing the bell without breaking up really bad.

  • Puffin2014
    Puffin2014 Member Posts: 961
    edited November 2014

    Blownaway: I had Lew take my photo with my hand on the bell rope BEFORE my last rads just in case I totally lost it afterwards - wanted at least one photo with the bell where I didn't have red eyes and tear stained face. Turned out I held it together through the bell ringing photos afterwards, where I got teary was all the rad staff hugging me.

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited November 2014

    I didn't have a bell to ring but I also got very teary-eyed thanking the rad staff who had been so damned good!  They helped me stay sane when DH was in critical condition in the hospital.

  • Gilesmt
    Gilesmt Member Posts: 65
    edited November 2014

    hey girls, need some help. I have not read of anyone having huge purple patches, under the arm or under the breast, the stupid nurses who know I am blind are suppose to check, but my mom and daughter say I have under my arm deep deep deep purple, the size of large sticky note and a deep deep deep purple line about 1/2 in thick under the whole breast. I am trying to figure out it it is from walfrin and blood clots, or rads. And the machine broke down again today, I was pissed. I started boost, 5 minutes promise, I left after 45 minutes, I am so done with this shit. Anyone have deep deep deep purple, that feels like your skin is splitting in two.

  • MarieBernice6234
    MarieBernice6234 Member Posts: 202
    edited November 2014

    Hi All - 

    I just started my series of 35 rads yesterday. In December I am supposed to have something called a "boost" either after my normal rad session or after my regular one. What is that and how is it related to the regular type?  I know that my RO has to oversee/do it in any event.

    MarieBernice6234

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited November 2014

    MarieBernice, the boosts are targeted to the area of the breast (and wherever else) where the cancer was found to make sure it is killed.  The rest of the rads are done all over the breast (and/or lymph nodes).  You won't notice anything different except the tx may go faster than it had been.

  • jeanelle
    jeanelle Member Posts: 179
    edited November 2014

    Wow to all you that have had to experience the machines breaking down.  I've been lucky in that there has been one breakdown and that was the day I was supposed to start rads so I was just pushed out 1 day so instead of being done the Friday before Thanksgiving I'm done the Monday of Thanksgiving week.  

    Giles - I have a large purple spot on the underside of my breast and almost down to the crease of my breast.  The nurse looked at it yesterday and said everything looked okay and that I am actually doing extremely good for being 1/2 way done with very little skin issues other than the rash which has now spread down to the crease under my breasts and driving me crazy.  I would definitely point it out to them.  

    MarieBernice - I have 5 boost scheduled.  From what I was told these will be after I finish the whole breast radiation and will just target where the tumor was.  Thus, I have 9 more whole breast rads to go and then the 5 boosts.  I hope that helps.

  • Jenwith4kids
    Jenwith4kids Member Posts: 635
    edited November 2014

    Good morning friends.  I haven't posted in a while, I finished rads on 10/10; had minimal skin issues, was a little red and itchy by the time it was over.  However, and I'm so glad my RO warned me, it got worse before it got better.  Itchy, peeling, sore, brown, purple, itchy, hot, you get the picture!  Then, as quickly as it got bad, it got better.  I had about a week of actual pain/discomfort, I just rolled with it and one morning woke up and thought, "wow, that looks better!

    I continue to slather on the aquaphor, I'm wearing a tight cotton t-shirt under my clothes - cut the collar and sleeves so it doesn't show.  I've not been wearing a bra, the tighter the tshirt, the better as it gives me some degree of compression. I hate these tissue expanders, cannot wait for exchange which I am sure won't be before April.

    Getting back into running, slowly. Can't get myself to do any other kind of workout though, I'm still blue and having trouble getting up in the am.  On nights where I feel good and I'm tired I try to skip the ativan but end up having a lousy night so I've been taking one or two of them whether I think I need it or not.  My MO told me not to worry about it yet that although treatment is "over", I have a long way to go.  

    I'm a little tired of feeling blue and getting teary so often. But I'm trying to take it in stride, knowing that there is an end to it somewhere down the line. I'm taking advantage of the social worker at the Cancer center and I've made an appointment with a naturopath.....trying to change my diet, etc. I feel very lucky to have an über supportive husband who lets me cry and let's me take time off from typical mom-responsibilities if I have to.  Yesterday am he told me I have until the end of 2014 to "not know what's wrong" every time he asks me when I burst into tears for no apparent reason.  He was kidding of course, and that pretty much stopped that episode in its tracks and I ended up laughing.  The ups and downs are  crazy.

    I guess, overall, I'd rate myself a 6 on a scale of 1-10 as far as mental health and well being. Aiming for an 8....giving myself that extra 2 until after my exchange surgery! LOL!

    At least my hair is growing.

    Have a great day!

    Jen

  • charusa
    charusa Member Posts: 107
    edited November 2014

    Blownaway, she started me on a very low dose of synthroid and will increase the amount in 2 weeks then go for blood work before it gets increased again. The instructions for taking the pill are complicated so I just wake up early take it and go back to sleep. I drink coffee in the morning and between the calcium in the cream and the caffeine I would have to wait an hour or it may not get absorbed and at night I take protonix which is a form of antacid so I would have to wait 4 hours before taking the synthroid. My hair is coming back pretty thick but it is slow going when I see some of the other ladies pictures. I just don't want to loose a strand!!! Synthroid's one side effect can be mild hair loss!!!

    So sorry to hear all the problems with the machines...it can be so frustrating when you are so close to being finished and making plans.

  • CoyoteNV
    CoyoteNV Member Posts: 575
    edited November 2014

    I finally have something to add to this very informative topic! I had my pre-treatments consultation with my RO and simulation yesterday.  I was able to bring a list of questions for him because of all the experience and information this group has provided.  I feel very prepared for what is ahead of me. Of course, I understand everyone has their own experience and mine will be too. Thank you very much for all of that.  We were able to discuss the thyroid issues, implant damage, skin damage, fatigue, accelerated treatment plans and, of course, what's right for me. We also discussed how my case will be used in future cancer board discussions about whether radiation therapy should be recommended for women with a similar dx.  I hope my experience will help other women avoid a recurrence in the future.

    My plan is for 28 treatments without any boosts. It will focus on the lymph nodes rather than full breast area. My doctor did not feel that I was the best candidate for one of the more accelerated programs.  Quick synopsis of my situation: bmx in 2012 (chemo, no rads) with TE's and silicone implants in 2013; recurrent lymph involvement discovered last May with surgery and chemo (completed 2 weeks ago) My treatments will by using TomoTherapy equipment.  I'm sure every clinic feels their equipment is the best available, but I certainly know my RO is excited about this one.  It is one of the image guided machines. 

    I had an interesting experience during my visit.  When I was getting ready to head into the dressing room, the Tech told me that I needed to remove my jewelry and did I know that I was missing an earring?  I was wearing a pair of fairly large peridot stud earrings.  We back tracked to the places I had been in the clinic and my DH found the earring in the check in area, but the butterfly back was not found.  I felt lucky to have the peridot!  I changed into the gown and went to the CT room.  The Tech, who had been in of the gem search, and another woman put me on the table and started marking me up.  The Tech said that he needed to line up my belly button so he moved my belt buckle and laughed.  He found the back of my earring in my belly button! The other tech said, "Oh, I thought you had a belly button ring!"  I just know this is going to a clinic story for a long time.

  • tucker3
    tucker3 Member Posts: 17
    edited November 2014

    Hi everyone! I too found, as the RO said, that my skin would get worse before it got better. Itchy rash, sensitive nipple (understatement!!). At my clinic, they recommend using a compress with baking soda and tepid water. Mix 1-2 teaspoons of baking soda with one litre of water and apply with a face cloth for about 5 minutes. I did that two times at each sitting and then let the skin air dry. It was amazing how much heat would be drawn out and how much the redness would settle down. It was recommended to do it 2-3 times per day. Then I would use hydrocortisone or another cream that the nurse gave me. It is starting to get better after one week. The nurse said to be careful not to use more baking soda than prescribed because it could dry the skin out too much. At my clinic the only recommended cream was Glaxalbase. Not sure if that is available in the US. Hang tough everyone....this will pass. Kim

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited November 2014

    Coyote, what a great story.  You're definitely at the right place.  Good luck!

  • Susug
    Susug Member Posts: 193
    edited November 2014

    Coyote, Lol!!! What a fun story. 

    Wow! I only have 6 treatments left never have had or even heard my clinic having problems with machines breaking down. Just as I say this something will happen. I hope not several of my friends are coming to my bell ringing. After there are about 12 others meeting us for lunch and drink!!! my RO said my skin is doing so good. I'm really surprised it is I have fair skin but so far only itchy rash  the rash is still there but stopped itching  it's only in 2 areas. Hope this doesn't change I start my boost tomorrow. They are doing 5 boost 

    Hugs to everyone!!!

  • Puffin2014
    Puffin2014 Member Posts: 961
    edited November 2014

    Charusa: I've been on synthroid for several years and do the same thing, have a mug of water by my bed and one pill taken out of the bottle sitting in a little dish, have my alarm set with 2 alarms, the time to reach over and take my pill and go back to sleep, and an alarm for when I want to get up. I rescheduled all my vitamins and calcium pill for supper time so it's no where near my synthroid. Also, hadn't had any trouble with thin hair from it.

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited November 2014

    Coyote - thanks I needed that (still grinning)

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