BRCA negative but high risk. best risk assessment model?

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egiap
egiap Member Posts: 10
edited November 2014 in High Risk for Breast Cancer


Hi, I have tested negative for BRCA. My mother was diagnosed with BC at 41 (I am 41) and passed at 61 due to BC.  I have a very small family so it is hard to assess whether others would have had BC (no sisters or daughters, one aunt who died of colorectal cancer and sarcoma syndrome).  I have other risk factors.  My first mammo was at 36 and they found a lump and clusters of calcifications.  Had two biopsies done both benign and the lump was said to be a fibroadenoma.  I have very dense breast tissue, menses started at 10, took birth control for many many years.  Just had a lumpectomy last week after they saw the fibroadenoma had pretty much doubled in size.   It was removed and showed PASH.    I am the only person in my family who has not had cancer yet (including my brother who had cancer at 28) and I feel like I'm a ticking time bomb, but I can't figure out what the appropriate risk assessment tool for me should be.

Gail seems pretty good and take in to consideration many of my risk factors as does Cuzick-Tyrer.  Others seem to only be good to predict whether I may have BRCA mutations which I already know I do not.

What risk model do you think is appropriate?  What did you use?

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2014

    Egiap,

    Sounds like you may want to discuss with your genetic counselor if they think it'd be appropriate to test for another abnormal gene. You can read about other abnormal genes and testing for them on the main Breastcancer.org site's page on Other Abnormal Gene Testing.

    We hope this helps!

    --The Mods

  • egiap
    egiap Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2014

    I have an appointment to do that.  They indicated they would probably just be running the models (gail, chen, etc).  I'm just trying to figure out what model is really appropriate.  I'm just wondering if anyone else had this experience where different models produced drastically different results and what model they went with to aid in their decision making.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited October 2014

    If they said they'd just run the models that doesn't sound like a genetics doctor. Genetics doctors take very extensive family histories and do a lot more than that.

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited November 2014

    Models are not a definitive answer. I agree with Melissa that a specialist might be a good resource for you. Genetic counselors with a master's degree can be found in community hospitals but you may need to go to an academic medical center in order to find a fellowship trained MD.

    Usually, an individual in the family who has already had a cancer is the best candidate for testing. Panels available from Ambry, for instance, cover several potential mutations. Myriad had a monopoly on BRCA for years and is not my personal choice for that reason. Prices have come down in the past 18 months since their patents were set aside and insurance companies are more likely to approve coverage. Once a particular defect is identified in a family, sometimes other research labs can look just for that (single site analysis) at a very low cost.

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited November 2014

    I'm sorry you are going through this. I agree its best to be evaluated by a NCI-certified academic institution.

    I found this opinion about the Gail model after I got a 2nd opinion at an academic center about my breast cancer risk. (I have a rather weak family history and have classic LCIS.) http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/98/23/1673....

    There is a big difference between what they know about the risk of a general population (for example, that, say 7 out of 100 women in this population group will get breast cancer in the next X years), versus 'What is my risk of breast cancer?'

    I think a very appropriate question to the genetic counselor is not only 'What is my risk for breast cancer?' but also 'How well do we know that number?'


  • cymom
    cymom Member Posts: 54
    edited November 2014

    I have a very similar family history and I am also negative for BRCA. I've seen breast cancer surgeons and genetics counselors and frankly, the level of guidance for people like us is abysmal.

    The article Leaf referenced is an excellent one. It is hard to make clinical management decisions on the basis of models that work well only at the population level, but that is what doctors do. I also find it frustrating that these models haven't been refined for people who are BRCA negative. All BC risk models draw from the general population, including those at extremely high risk from BRCA, so in theory, if you know you're BRCA negative, the risk models are overestimating your risk to some degree (who knows how much).

    There are tests beyond BRCA for gene mutations that have some relationship to breast cancer. The trouble is that only a handful of those mutations have any clinical guidelines for management; the testing technology is way ahead of our knowledge of what to do with the information. I'd love to get tested for only the genes for which there are clinical guidelines, but Myriad and the other labs seem to wrap them all up in a (pricey) package. So additional testing could give you some guidance, or it could just leave you with a source of worry and no direction.

    The biggest clinical question at my risk level is whether to do screening MRIs every year or every two years. Starting this routine young virtually guarantees harm from false positives, over diagnosis and over treatment. (I've already experienced this end of it, and it sucks). My doctors told me it was my decision. This "punting" thing doctors do has been criticized too. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms1409003

    I guess the best thing is to find the best expert you can -- preferably a geneticist with a focus on BC genes who is really up on the research and who understands the predictive value, and the limits, of each of those models.

    Best of luck to you.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited November 2014

    cymom - Very interesting points. I'm seriously considering just doing the PALB2 alone from the Univ of Washington (lekker shared that infor with me), since it appears that is the main one right now that presents the biggest risk. I would love it if I test positive and DD tests negative and could avoid the high risk screening. My onco has agreed to follow DD even though she does not have BC but a high risk family with earliest onset of 27.

  • cymom
    cymom Member Posts: 54
    edited November 2014

    farmerlucy,

    I thought that Chek2, combined with positive family history, was also a pretty high risk situation? This is one that concerns me, as a person with Eastern European ancestry.. I can't recall if there is a formal clinical guideline for this scenario.

    I am looking into having my mom's DNA banked for future testing, in the hope that testing her DNA may be a cheaper and more direct way to predict risk for both me and my sister in the future when we have more data about these mutations. Insurance coverage for testing is likely to lag the science, so if I'm paying out of pocket for these tests, better for my sister and I to split the bill.

    Banking is cheap. You might consider this place, mentioned to me by my GC (I have no affiliation or interest):

    https://www.preventiongenetics.com/dna-banking/dna...

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited November 2014

    cymom - I am pretty ignorant about which ones are scarier than others. I'll ask my onc about it. Very interesting re:banking. Thanks for that information. My DILs mom is Brca1 pos, DIL just found out this year she is not. Turns out in her case it was a good thing they knew the mutation - and of course it is even better that she does not have it. My onc says DD should start screening with annual MRIs at 25, Have you heard about the other screening tool - better than a mammo but cheaper than an MRI - an MBI. http://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/EmergingAreasinE...

    But I just read that the radiation is so much higher than a mammo. Of course I was getting up to 3 mammos a year sometimes with the high risk screening. At my MRI facility the cash price is much cheaper so I we may have to opt for that for DD if we can't convince her insurance to cover it. Last time I was quoted $850 cash price.

    Thanks again for the information. Please stay in touch!

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