Starting chemo September 2014

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  • Rose0766
    Rose0766 Member Posts: 92
    edited October 2014

    I'd love to have some Oreos! I'm afraid they will make my heartburn worse, lol! Unfortunately Im finding high carb sweets create havoc with the gassiness too! Sucks! I go tomorrow for a second plastic surgeon visit, didn't like the first one, glad I have til February to figure this one out, after I'm done with AC I start taxotere/ herceptin/ perjeta very three weeks for 4 cycles, then surgery, still waiting for genetic testing results to decide on single or bilateral mastectomy, tough decision.

  • HockeyCat
    HockeyCat Member Posts: 222
    edited October 2014

    Tobycc - I'm craving sweet more than usual since started chemo. I've been craving cup cakes, cream puffs, even made brownies at home. My hubby is bribing me to go for a walk then I can have some dessert. Works for me! LOL

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited October 2014

    Tobycc, yes, my eyes are dry and itchy.  I have a problem with my eyes and this is just making it worse.  I have a disease of the retina that causes the moisture in my eyes to be sucked into the retina rather than staying outside of it.  It doesn't actually help to use regular eye drops because the more moisture I put into my eyes, the more the retina sucks up.  It makes my vision a little blurry.  I have saline eye drops to use.  They sting when putting it in but the salt serves to pull the moisture out of the retina and into the rest of the eye.  The chemo has made the situation so much worse than before.  I'm up to using the drops four times a day.  Ouch each time.

    I agree with everyone else who commented.  The AC is tolerable but has lots of SE. I really hate the runny nose.  Really!  I feel like I have a cold and my throat gets dry.  No cough yet.  

    I know that on day 13, I feel like my old self.  Unfortunately, it only lasts a day till I get the next chemo tx.  But, it's really nice to feel normal even it only for a day or so.  Super energetic.

    Will you be keeping that pick line the whole time?  I have a port and although I didn't want it, it's inside and doesn't interfere with my clothes or such.  Doesn't the pick get in the way?  Just curious.

    Kaya

  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited October 2014

    Thanks all for sharing your side effects with me. It seems doable, if unpleasant.

    I am having eye issues as well. Either they are dry and itchy, or pouring water like I am crying. Doesn't seem to be a happy medium. Drippy nose is making me crazy too! I carry eyedrops and kleenex with me everywhere I go.

    I too have been craving the sweets. My weight is down 12 pounds in 3 weeks, and the doc is really encouraging me to eat, but I don't think she meant cupcakes, Oreos or Chips Ahoy! Really need to pick out some lunch snacks for the kiddo that I don't like to ward off temptation. Planning to hit the produce market today, and get some fruit to satisfy the sweet tooth. Grapes just don't sound as yummy as cookies.

    Hair is shedding everywhere, and my scalp is so itchy and hurty. Thinking that this weekend at some point I will have what's left buzzed off. Having such a hard time with making that call. I think that is the point where I will have to admit to the whole world that I have cancer.

    I am planning on keeping the picc line the whole time. It's only been 2 days, but so far so good. Use Glad Press & Seal to wrap it when I shower, then put a gauze sleeve over it to keep it from flopping around. It's on the inside of my upper left arm, and I hardly notice it is there. Getting the chest port freaked me out way to much.

    Feeling ok today. Ended up taking my son to group last night. The theme was worry, and we made little worry dolls. My son had a blast with his friends and it was a good message for me to hear, as well. Stayed up way too late chatting with a friend, but got to sleep in a bit this morning. Only thing on the agenda today is Neulasta/dressing change/picc flush, and getting some healthy groceries in the house. Planning to squeeze a nap in there somewhere, and get my butt to bed at a decent hour tonight. My oldest son is coming in to town this weekend, and I want to rest up so I have the energy to do some fun things with my boys.

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited October 2014

    Badhairday, 

    I'm having the same head problems.  Feels like someone pulled the hair off my head rather than having it just fall out. 

    If you ever have to change the picc for a port, don't worry about it.  It was the easiest thing I've gone through so far. LOL.  The nicest thing about it is its no maintenance.  

    Yesterday and today, I've had no energy at all.  I even sent my DH to the grocery store rather than going myself.  I think the man has been in a grocery store maybe three times in his life.  He did pretty good.  I gave him a list and showed him pictures of what I wanted.  Gave my my laugh for the day.  He tries.

    Not much of an appetite.  Having comfort food for dinner - tomato soup and grilled cheese.  Hope everyone has something better going on.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited October 2014

    Kaya, I send my DH to the store with pictures also! He tries so hard, but there are some things he just can't find in the store. He comes home with odd additions to the list, too.

    My appetite is shot for about a week post infusion. My DH is bringing me home a fruit smoothie with a protein boost today. I have no problem with the hydration, but eating food is so difficult. Extremely exhausted, too.

    Badhairday, My MO said just to eat what I feel like eating. Of course she would prefer healthy foods, but she told me if I want to just eat cookies, bread or muffins, to go ahead. The one thing she doesn't want me to do is lose weight while on chemo. I may have to ask her about the appetite stimulant she has me on. I put on 3 pounds between the first and second infusion. It could be the exhaustion and lack of exercise, too. I'm not burning as many calories per day.

    I felt so much better once my head was buzz cut. It was much better to shed short hairs, than my longer hair. My scalp is still tingling; very irritating. I had the same issue with it as Badhairday... it meant I looked sick to other people. I thought a bald mom would freak my kids out, but it didn't.

    Studies show 50% of chemo patients put on weight during the treatment process. Guess I know which 50% I fit in.

    Wishing you all minimal SE!

  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited October 2014

    hi all!  The buzz does not hurt nearly as much anymore....only when I first take off wig. Managed from 9-7 in the damn thing....board loves it tho!  

    Whip it off as soon as in the car and feel naked and free!!!!!!

    Poppy....too too funny about the pictures. I describe what aisle, etc. I adore the kale protein smoothies from Panera. DH juices for me when appetitie gone, but somehow not the same

    Thanks for all the feedback about the eyes!  Don't feel alone.  Well, gonna pack bag for number 2 tomorrow, anxious for the twin reunion tonight!!!,

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited October 2014

    Poppy - you are to funny about the pictures.  I thought I was the only one in the world that has a husband that can't shop without pictures or without me being on the other end of the phone.  He can only remember one thing at a time and sometimes he forgets that!!!!!

    Toby, The best part of the day starts when that wig comes off!!!!!  Hug your twins and never let them go!!!! 


     

  • Kris103
    Kris103 Member Posts: 57
    edited October 2014

    Hi, Ladies! Thanks for the gigglesnorts over the DHs being armed with pictures in order to brave the wilds of the grocery store! There are days I really don't mind not having a DH to deal with any more. Although I must admit, my late ex had always been a pretty good shopper and darn good cook. In the meantime, I've since mastered my store's online shop at home and pharmacy delivery services, and they provide the pictures to me! If I order the wrong thing, it's totally my own fault. Or chemo brain. Or something. Heheheh...

    Anyway... Spent the early part of the week running errands, getting the dogs up to the dog park for a good run around, getting DD to a Dr. appointment and getting the Aussie Shepherd to the vet for vitamin shots and blood work, as she needs a dental cleaning in a couple of weeks.

    Today I was in the chair for #3/4. My infusion center was pretty quiet today, which was nice, and the infusion itself went very smoothly. I've felt pretty groggy and have taken a couple of short naps this afternoon between bouts of slamming orange gatorade. My stomach is also just a bit queasy, but my patch is staying on and working well enough that I haven't taken any additional nausea meds.

    (((Gentle Hugs))) everyone!

  • Jmo06
    Jmo06 Member Posts: 159
    edited October 2014

    mom decided to get buzz cut, was a lil hard and emotional just looking forward to when she beats cancer! She decided to go to a cheap place where no one knew her. good thing was that it was pretty quick we were in and out 15 minutes. 

  • LARock
    LARock Member Posts: 229
    edited October 2014

    I love all the updates today! I have to brag that DH is my stay-at-home hubby and better than me at shopping, laundry, and, a pretty darn good cook!

    We're enjoying a big night out prior to tomorrow's treatment. I'm enjoying a glass of wine and a nice meal - first one in three weeks.

    Not looking forward to tomorrow. Tobycc, I'll be thinking of you. Good night all.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited October 2014

    Kris, I am so glad your infusion went well! Even happier that you aren't experiencing that horrible nausea. I hope it stays that way. My MO warned me that the fatigue would be the SE that would increase as I work my way through the infusions.

    My DH is an excellent cook, and usually a good shopper. He just was no clue why I buy certain brands. He is excellent at choosing ripe, tasty fruit, good bread and ice cream.

    Jmo, I avoided my usual place when I got my buzz cut, too. I just didn't want to think about cancer every time I walked in the door of the shop where I  usually get my hair cut. I hardest part of hair loss for me, is now I look sick on the outside.

    Toby and LARock, I hope your infusions go smoothly tomorrow. My second infusion was so much easier than the first. The port made it so much easier and I knew what to expect. Since I met with my MO and a pharmacologist oncologist before my infusion, I received new protocols to manage the side effects.

    Wishing you all the best!

    Poppy

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited October 2014

    I do envy those of you whose DHs are great cooks.  Mine only makes scrambled eggs and I don't eat scrambled eggs.  Oh well, he does have other wonderful qualities.  Funny thing about his grocery store trip - he didn't buy any pears because he said he wasn't sure what they looked like.  Huh?  How can anyone not know what a pear looks like?  

    Speaking of eating, has anyone been told by their doctors to avoid salads and fruit that can't be pealed?  My doc advised me to avoid salad due to the possible bacteria mainly in lettuce.  I'm a salad junkie.  Fruit, too.  I could understand if my immune system was low but it seems to be holding at normal with the Neulasta shot.  She advised eating canned fruit and vegetables.

    I'm starting to think I actually have a cold.  My runny nose just won't stop.  I'm starting to get a sore throat from the dripping, too.  Other than that, after spending the last couple of days in bed, I'm starting to feel good again.  Of course, next Wednesday is my next chemo so I have to enjoy the good days while I have them.

  • Jmo06
    Jmo06 Member Posts: 159
    edited October 2014

    kayarose - yes my aunt was told no fresh fruits or veggies but since she is stubborn 😊 she didnt listen,  her onc told her same thing fear of bacteria

    My moms doc said no fresh fruit or veggies from day 5 through 12 after chemo. Good compromise i think mom loves her fruit n veggies

  • HockeyCat
    HockeyCat Member Posts: 222
    edited October 2014

    KayaRose, my onc said okay to eat fresh fruits and vegetables, just NOT raw sprouts or mushrooms. Also told me not to eat at a salad bar. The worse part for me is no sushi! :( 

    Had my #3 on Wednesday, and a half dose of Neulasta shot yesterday. My onc ordered the half dose but the nurse didn't read it carefully and almost gave me a full dose. I like my onc but some people in her office seem very careless! I feel nauseated and tired so far. Other SEs haven't hit me yet. I'm going to get acupuncture this morning, and IV hydration in the afternoon. 

    Hope everyone has a good and peaceful start of weekend.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited October 2014

    Sorry you got the wrong dose of Neulasta. How awful!

    My MO also warned me about fresh fruit, veggies and salads. I like salads, so I wash the greens very thoroughly. I peel the fresh veggies, such as cucumbers and carrots. I wash and peel the fruit as well. Products are available to help wash produce and remove bacteria, dirt and so on. I believe Bed, Bath and Beyond sells it.  Everyone on chemo should avoid the salad bars. I worked as a health inspector, and many, many food poisoning incidents were traced back to salad bars.

    Jmo, good advice to avoid the fresh produce when our immune system is at it's most vulnerable.

    Kaya, LMBO... your husband not knowing what a pear looks like! Regarding the runny nose... I am beginning to think my runny nose might be because I have lost the hair from the inside of my nose. Maybe TMI, but it sure surprised me.

    Poppy

  • Rose0766
    Rose0766 Member Posts: 92
    edited October 2014

    Hello Everybody, like many of you, I too have the perpetual runny nose, I'm thinking about taking the Claritin everyday to see if it makes a difference

    Went to see second PS yesterday, I like him better than the first one I saw, and my DH did too. So many decisions to make. Wish I didn't have to have radiation, would make this whole thing easier as far as healing goes.

    My MO hasn't said anything about not eating certain foods, but common sense drives me not to eat raw fish, and unwashed fruits and veggies. DH and I have been trying to go organic as much as possible. More expensive, but less chemicals. 

    Yesterday was a very tired day for me, I felt like I napped half the day away, hopefully today will be better. Steroids kept me awake on and off last night with the hot and cold and going to the bathroom. It weird how it takes a couple of days for it to hit me (chemo was Tuesday) although MO did say chemo effects peak 7 days post infusion.

    Rainy day here, matches how I feel today. So over this feeling crappy!

    Hoping for a light side effect day for all of us! Keep telling myself one day at a time!

  • DaniellaD
    DaniellaD Member Posts: 273
    edited October 2014

    Herceptin causes the runny nose - it just runs without relief all the time no matter how many time you blow your nose.    And if you're on taxol, then you have bloody sore nose that bleeds and runs nonstop.   Also, the running nose also causes post nasal drip which will make your throat sore. I go through this every week with my chemo. I use the neti pot to ease the nose sores and bleeding along with nasal gel. I also gargle with warm water and salt constantly. So hopefully KayaRose it's not a cold; just more annoying chemo SEs.

  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited October 2014

    Today is a very blah day. I am so tired. Took a short cat nap before the home nurse came to teach me how to flush the picc. It was pretty easy. She is going to send someone back this weekend with a different type of dressing because the one we are using is not playing nice with my tenderoni Irish skin!

    I can't imagine not eating fresh fruits or veggies. I have been living on bananas and grapes, and prepackaged salads. I'm just not up to cooking much. Last night a friend and I went to a family style restaurant, and pigged out! I blame the bag of Decadron they hung with the chemo! We had chicken-fried steak, mashed potatoes smothered with gravy, and green beans, along with chicken noodle soup and fresh bread. Then cheesecake smothered in fresh whipped cream and chocolate. We could barely walk out of there we were so full! I figure that had to be at least a couple thousand calories! LOL Today, I am back to picking at whatever looks good, which isn't much!

    Thinking about taking another short nap, then maybe laundry?

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited October 2014

    Rose, I just wanted to mention that the pharmacology onco that I met with changed my meds so that I could sleep better. My infusion was also on Tuesday, and it has made a world of difference. I take my second dose of dex at 4pm, instead of 8pm. I also take a different anti-nausea med at 9pm, which helps me sleep. I hope you can find a good solution to your inability to sleep. We need sleep to recover.

    Daniella, that's great info about Herceptin! Amazing how much info we get from each other as opposed to what we get from the docs.

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited October 2014

    Thanks everyone for the feedback on fruits and veggies.  I'm going to buy the veggie wash cause I really like my salads.  My daughter suggested I buy bagged lettuce and wash it again before eating.  I'll do that, too.  

    I just can't shake the fatigue.  I did laundry today but really had to force myself just to go up and down the stairs.  I think my runny nose has a lot to do with feeling crappy.  I may not have a cold but I feel like I do and maybe psychologically it's enough to make me feel like going to bed.  

    I've been taking compazine for nausea.  It really doesn't help much.  I don't get to the point of throwing up but I constantly feel queasy.  What does everyone else take for nausea?  I'm going to ask my MO about changing the compazine to something else.

  • ilovepugs
    ilovepugs Member Posts: 78
    edited October 2014

    Hi KayaRose, 

    I'm on Aprepitant, Ondansetron, Dexamethasone, and Prochlorazine for nausea. I take these on a schedule for the first 5 days (including day of chemo) and the Prochlorazine is "as needed". The first round of chemo I didn't take the "as needed" as much and ended up with a fair bit of nausea, so this round I'm going for all the "as needed" and it's better. My oncologist also prescribed Rabeprazole for heartburn as he suspected that some of my heartburn from the first round could be causing nausea. I stopped taking it this morning because I'm constipated and it is one of the side effects of that med....but hey, it's probably a side effect of all the meds! 

  • Kris103
    Kris103 Member Posts: 57
    edited October 2014

    KayaRose - For nausea, I started out on Compazine (Prochlorazine) and Zofran (Ondansetron). Neither of them alone, or in combination, did much for me. Later, my Onc had the local compounding pharmacy prepare capsules with Benedryl, Dex and Reglan, which worked better, but still left me feeling pretty crappy. Eventually we got to a transdermal patch specifically formulated for chemo-induced nausea and vomiting. The medication is called Granisetron, but the patch is often called Sancuso, which is the name of the company that makes it. It has really worked well for me, although I occasionally need a Compazine for breakthrough nausea, and the patch doesn't stay stuck to my arm without having to tape and re-tape it down. Despite those drawbacks, it's been the only thing to keep my nausea under control.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited October 2014

    Kaya, I am doing much better fighting off the nausea than with the first infusion. So far, it's still only been a few days. My new protocol is Scopalamine patch (the same on as for motion sickness), Compazine (10mg) every 6 hours, Zofran (8mg) every 8 hours. 4mg of Zofran wasn't enough, so it's been increased to 8mg. You might want to add to your Compazine, not eliminate it.

    Don't wait, call your MO. Mine made adjustments and called the prescriptions in. You shouldn't have to feel nauseous.

    Poppy

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited October 2014

    Reglan helped me a lot with nausea, also prilosec for heartburn.  I try not to eat too much at any one time.  6 small meals work best.  Staying hydrated is also important.  As far as fresh food, my chemo nurse told me also to avoid salad bars and to wash everything with SOAP and water then rinse well before peeling or eating!  I have eaten salads out but only ones make specifically for me.   All this is a nuisance but much better than the alternative.  When I read about the Ebola crisis in Africa I am just so grateful for the wonderful medical care in this country.   If I lived in Liberia I would probably just die. Love, Jean 

  • sybilskelton
    sybilskelton Member Posts: 77
    edited October 2014

    I have been so lucky not to have any bad problems with nausea, so far. I guess whatever they put in that IV bag does a bang up job. I've had a little very mild nausea, and I've used a (ahem) "herbal" remedy my daughter brought me. I must say it's highly effective in relieving nausea and it even helps with the heartburn. The upside is that it makes me feel generally better all over, stimulates my appetite, and makes food taste a lot better. It's been a long time since I've indulged in weed, and I'd forgotten all the other effects it produces. Suffice it to say, I'm rapidly becoming a big advocate for medical marijuana. Stupid that it's still illegal in so many places, including this state.

    I'll just chime in with the others that my doc also said to stay away from fresh, raw food. He said everything should be canned or cooked. It's just as well, I've had a lot of problems with diarrhea, and I'm sure a big salad or some fresh fruit would only exacerbate it.

    I live in the Dallas area, and to hear the media tell it we're all gonna die of ebola anyway, so maybe we should just throw caution to the wind. All ice cream all the time!

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited October 2014

    thanks for all the nausea info.  I'm going to call the doc tomorrow to see if I can get more help.

    Hoping to feel better by Monday cause we want to go see the movie Gone Girl.  My Dh and I both read the book.  I heard the movie is really good.  Might even get some popcorn.

  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited October 2014

    Poppy, kay a...thanks for the info on the fruits and veggies.  I had not been told that ( that I recall)

    Will head to bed bath and beyond tomorrow. We make smoothies too of whole berries, apples, kale, protein etc

    So glad Poppy they found a cocktail that is working...sounds like kris you are doing a bit better with nausea also :)

    Rose, bad hair....sending you prayers and thoughts of better day tomorrow

    The twin reunion could not have gone better....was up way too late though. Number 2 tx down. Made it to second base, or the 50 yard line!!!  Smooth...talked about night sweats...MO. Thinks it was the recent hysterectomy, lumpectomy, and now all the chemo.  We don't want estrogen now......gave me something stronger for the dreaded bone pain. Shot tomorrow then some shopping with the boys, football hoping to make church Sunday with them..

    Sybil....whatever works!!!  Over 25 years since I " indulged". I would be scared now

    I hope to see Gone Girl also...read the book too.  

    When did everyone's fuzz from buzz (hey, rhyming here Jean) come out? I have lost 7 pounds since I started chemo, but I had gained ten from the surgeries. 

    Ilovepugs...good to hear from you!!!  I encouraged three other in tx room today to find a support group online. One lady has tongue cancer, gentleman with esophagus, and another woman with a blood disorder.

    Blessings to all of you....sleep soon as soon as I know boys made it safe to where they are going. Man, I don't worry when they are in college for some reason!

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited October 2014

    Sybil - Oh for the good ol' 70's again!!!!!  You go, girl (and your daughter) to!!!!  I can't imagine using a "herbal" remedy with my mother.  I think that is so cool and says bunches for your relationship.

    Toby - I am getting ready for my 4th treatment next week and I have noticed that not only did I NOT lose my fuzz, but that my hair has started to grow.  I still have eyebrows, eyelashes, hair on my arms and my legs. 

    Has anybody heard of the movie "Decoding Annie Parker"?  Since I am having genetic testing done, my surgeon has invited me to a showing of this movie.

  • LARock
    LARock Member Posts: 229
    edited October 2014

    Sybil, whatever works girl. I'm like the others - it's been too long and I'd be scared to go there.

    Tobycc, glad you had a good day and that you're with your boys. I don't think a Mom ever stops worrying. I've lost most of my fuzz, particularly on the sides. Still have some on top but that's rapidly disappearing as well.

    I haven't read Gone Girl but would like to see the movie. As with most of you, my MO recommended staying away from unwashed fruits & veggies and under/uncooked protiens such as sushi and tuna. It hasn't been much of a problem as none of that sounds good to me anyway.

    I had treatment #2 today. Loved my nurse. She placed the IV closer to my wrist which was SO much more comfortable than last time. She also slowed the meds way down. It took 5 1/2 hours but it was worth it. They had already cut my Benadryl in half from last time and, even at that, we only got 1/2 in. Just makes me loopy and sleepy. Like Tobycc, I met several other patients: one young guy has throat cancer and another woman I met has MS and was there for steroid treatments. It was a pleasant day. DH will give me my Neulasta shot tomorrow. I've also asked DH and DD to get flu shots on my behalf. 

    Dong okay so far but I'm tired, nauseas and have diarrhea. Thank goodness it's a weekend and I've got a couple of days to be a slug if needed.

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