Starting chemo September 2014

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  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2014

    zjrosenthal, sounds like we are on the same treatment plan.  I had my first AC tx on Wednesday, 9/24.   SE have been bearable. Now I'm really starting to worry about the next tx.  MO said the effect could be cumulative - more chemo, more SE.  She did say AC is the harsher of the drugs so the last 12 weeks may not be as bad.  Who knows, everyone is different.  We shall see.  

    Watching the Bears play the Packers.  I know my SE will be much more BEARABLE if the Bears win. Lol.

  • ilovepugs
    ilovepugs Member Posts: 78
    edited September 2014

    Kath (tobycc) ~ you made me cry and laugh at the same time...i also had a minor meltdown on my DH yesterday and I can totally relate! I just love your choice of old adages...priceless. It makes me want to use a 'turn of phrase' out of context today just to keep 'em guessing...and then I'll smile to myself and think of you! The tears are a good emotional release for us. I believe they're essential, as is laughter...which often comes afterward. Hope you have at least one good laugh today. And, as far as wise words for the rest of us...you've already said them and you just don't realize it.

    Sybil...thanks for the much needed optimism and perspective. 

    Jean ~ I'm also curious about Taxol...I'll be doing it weekly as well after I finish the AC. 

    LARock ~ thank you, I am feeling emotionally better for sure. I'm going to talk to the MO tomorrow about the sore throat. It's funny (not), just when one side effect subsides a new one comes along to take its place. Congratulations on the run! I, on the other hand, drove to the dog park this morning! Somebody razzed me about it, but I didn't care. 

    Indiegirl ~ I'm with Daniella. I have at least one cry a day. It releases frustrations and fears and it must be cathartic, otherwise why would we do it? One day this week I cried in front of one of the other dog owners in my neighbourhood. She was on her way to the dog park and I knew I couldn't make it all the way down there and I just started tearing up and I scared the heck out her. She thought something traumatic had happened to my dog at the park. I finally divulged why I was crying...and I was secure telling her because she had confided in us about her boyfriend's testicular cancer earlier this summer. So, indiegirl, we are emotional beings. We laugh and cry together and it's nothing to be concerned about. 

    Hugs to all and hope everyone has one minimal side effects and a little laugh!

  • Lori1967
    Lori1967 Member Posts: 66
    edited September 2014

    Hi all,

    Well I've made it thru my 2nd infusion!!  I was feeling pretty good and totally forgot to take the anti nausea drugs on day 2 and decided I felt good and didn't need them.....yeah, not a great decision!!  I wasn't actually to the point of vomiting, but I didn't feel well for sure!

    Most of my hair is gone. My dd and I went to the cancer society and they gave me a wig!! It actually looks a lot like my usual look, so I am happy about that!

    Mostly my symptoms are headache, heartburn and gas after chemo. 

    and tired of course.....

  • SueBe
    SueBe Member Posts: 131
    edited September 2014

    I cried today. I cry everyday almost. I ask myself why did this happen to me. Why when other women my age are getting to spend fun times with their kids do I have to be in this miserable state. First infertility, then my first battle with bc in 2008, now its back. Why me? Why me? I ask myself at least ten times a day. Why weren't they watching me better so the recurrence was smaller instead of 1.8mm? Why did I go for mammograms every year and get the clear all those six years while this cancer was growing? 

    I guess I am still in the anger part of the grieving process. The SEs are bad but I think the anger is a real drag too. It will get better with time. I will survive this and be stronger for it. My husband has been so supportive and understanding. I am so grateful for his presence and patience. There is still so much to be grateful for.

  • ilovepugs
    ilovepugs Member Posts: 78
    edited September 2014

    SueBe, I am so sorry this is happening to you again. xo

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited September 2014

    SueBe - I 'm sorry you are having to go through this again too.  Kick, scream, yell, cuss, do whatever you have to do to get through the angry stage.  We are here for you and we will get through this.  I know how shocking it is to get news like that.  I had a 1.7mm lump and when I woke up from a simply lumpectomy, my surgeon told me I would have to have a BMX due to the fact that my right breast was 98% full of cancer and my left breast had signs of cancer in it.  The mass was never detected on the mammogram, MRI or sonograms.  I am grateful everyday that I get out of bed.  Hugs to you. 

  • LARock
    LARock Member Posts: 229
    edited September 2014

    I hope all of you who struggled today with pains, tears, or doubts have a restful evening and a brighter day tomorrow. 

  • SueBe
    SueBe Member Posts: 131
    edited September 2014

    Thanks ilovepugs, nomatterwhat adn LARock for your positive thoughts. It will get better.

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2014

    Hate to be indelicate here but does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with terrible constipation?  I'm taking a stool softener the MO gave me but it doesn't seem to help much.  Willing to try anything short of draino!  Thanks.

  • ilovepugs
    ilovepugs Member Posts: 78
    edited September 2014

    Hi KayaRose, 

    Have you ever tried psyllium husks? You can buy them from a health food store and some grocery stores that have a health food aisle. They work for both constipation and diarrhea! You take a tsp. or tbsp. of the husks and stir them into a small glass of water and drink it down. Follow that up with another glass of water and there you have it. I used to force it on my husband when he was 'irregular' and now that you've brought it up I am going to stock up because I think I'm going to need it. 

    For fun, mix a glass of the husks up with water and leave it for a few minutes or so to see how the mixture turns from water to a gelatinous substance. 

    I do recall that you should avoid eating anything within a half hour or so of drinking the mixture.

    Hope this helps!

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2014

    Thanks Pugs, it's worth a try.  I like trying natural remedies first.  I woke up today feeling almost human.  I think it will be a good day.  Hope everyone else has one, too.

  • LARock
    LARock Member Posts: 229
    edited September 2014

    Anyone else having trouble sleeping? I was only able to sleep for three hours. Hopefully this is just a temporary SE of the steroids?

  • Kris103
    Kris103 Member Posts: 57
    edited September 2014

    KayaRose - good old disgusting warm prune juice. Grief, that stuff is nasty! But it works.

    LARock - You're right that sleeplessness is a temporary SE of the steroids. Does it feel like you might be able to sleep for 2-3 hours, then be up for several, then crash for 2-3 again? It makes it difficult to try to have a normal life, even if other SEs are taking it easy on you. I'm trying to figure out why I've been sleeping like that the past 2 nights, without steroids to blame. I hope you find some relief soon! I know I've got another question to ask at my MO appointment on Wednesday.

  • DaniellaD
    DaniellaD Member Posts: 273
    edited September 2014

    KayaRose - I was told a long time ago that when you're constipated, you shouldn't keep ingesting more stuff bc it sort of compacts the problem.  Use some glycerin suppositories or even an enema (a cold coffee enema I heard works the best) Sounds like you have already found relief but for next time. My baby has terrible constipation issues. When it sits in you too long, it just gets harder and worse.  Glycerin will help solve that issue.  Sorry for the rather gory response but there you go.

  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited September 2014

    hope everyone had a peaceful Monday :)

    I made it through work.....but the pain from shot had me take a pain pill when I got home. MO refers to as "bone pain". Mine seems much more in muscles....like I will have stabbing in ovaries, and then Think... Wait, I don't have ovaries!

    Otherwise, managing well.  Rest well friends

  • Kris103
    Kris103 Member Posts: 57
    edited September 2014

    Tobycc - Glad you got through the day reasonably ok. I could never tell whether the pain was more bone or muscle, it just felt like I'd been belted with a baseball bat. Part of the difficulty is that Taxotere by itself causes bone pain, so Neulasta is just adding to that.

    It was a peaceful, rather dreary and rainy day for me. DD and I got the dogs out for a walk, but gave up on going to the dog park, as it would have just been muddy. I got some small branches trimmed off my tree in the front yard before it started raining again, and hopefully it will dry out tomorrow so I can finish that task. I still can't figure out why I've been rather hyper the past few days, but I'm willing to take advantage of it as long as I can.

  • Rose0766
    Rose0766 Member Posts: 92
    edited September 2014

    Hello Fellow Warriors, I've been away a couple of days, my brother got married Saturday, so I've been a bit busy. My hair made it to the wedding, woohoo, but it started falling out this morning, so I went this afternoon to have it buzzed off. My DD went with me, what a trooper she is, my biggest cheerleader! She is the busiest 22 year old I know! Chemo # 2 is tomorrow, if my WBC's are cooperative, not as nervous this time around, just want it over with, one more treatment closer to the finish line! Anyone have any issues with noise causing nausea? It's like sensory overload, weird. I've had a good last couple of days, now it's time to get back to work! Hope you all have tolerable side effects, or even better, little or no side effects! At least I know what to expect this time around and kinda when to expect it, c'mon WBC's, we have work to do! At least getting ready for my appt will be faster tomorrow, lol, no hair to blow dry and curl! Gentle hugs to you all!!

  • melannmor44
    melannmor44 Member Posts: 14
    edited September 2014

    Today is two weeks since my first treatment.  My hair is coming out pretty good now.  I have felt really good for a week and a half now like I have never had chemo.  My Onco says he's not gonna give me the nuelasta since I hurt so bad from the first one.  My blood counts did not drop after the first treatment.  My fear is the second one that is a week away.  I have heard the second and third treatments could be worse.  I really only had the pain from the shot, a sore throat and slight diarrhea.  Can I expect to have worse SE next time? 

  • LARock
    LARock Member Posts: 229
    edited September 2014

    I love everyone's great attitude about the hair loss! My plan is to shave mine off this weekend so I don't have to go through the shedding process. Taking the bull by the horns!

    I'm glad I planned on working from home today. It allowed me some much appreciated downtime between calls/meetings. Back to the office tomorrow though. 

    I've been struggling with a loss of appetitive and finding out that things don't quite taste the same. I made some zucchini bread this evening and it tasted so good that I had two pieces. Now I feel stuffed!  With all my luck, it will keep me up all night. Gosh, I hope not.

    Here's hoping for a peaceful night for all.

  • melannmor44
    melannmor44 Member Posts: 14
    edited September 2014

    LARock My scalp has been so sore.  I wouldn't shave it too short, a friend of mine did and she said the stubble was painful to touch. Wishing you well.

  • badhairday
    badhairday Member Posts: 178
    edited September 2014

    Hello all! I started chemo on 9/23. Was scheduled for 4 cycles of TC, every three weeks. However, I suffered anaphylaxsis from the Taxotere, so was only given the Cytoxan. Heart tests scheduled for tomorrow, to determine if I can tolerate the Adriamycin in place of Taxotere. I had done so much research on the TC regimen, and now feel a bit lost about what to expect from AC. Any of you with experience care to share? So far, my side effects have been managable; a slight headache, fatigue, and feeling like I have a mouth full of nickels. Yuck! Doing the best I can to keep up with my 6 year old. Curious to know how much tougher it will be with the AC. Also curious to see what happens with my hair on day 14, since I only received the C? Anybody know? Wishing each of you well, as you battle your side effects!

  • Kris103
    Kris103 Member Posts: 57
    edited September 2014

    Hi, badhairday - Welcome! Sounds like you're pretty darn allergic to Taxotere. That must have been scary to deal with, but I'm glad they're getting it figured out for you. Each of the poisons is especially difficult on different parts of the body - Taxotere on the liver, Adriamycin on the kidneys and heart, and to be honest, I've not researched Cytoxan enough to know more than the nausea that they all seem to cause.

    Your SE's probably won't be all that much different - headache, fatigue and taste changes happen in both. Although I've found that the Taxotere taste changes didn't resolve until a month or so after the course, where Adriamycin taste changes start resolving a week or so after a tx. From the information my MO gave me, Cytoxan on it's own causes hair loss, although usually not until 3-6 weeks after tx. It might just take longer before your hair loss kicks in. I hope you let us know as you go along - I'm curious now!

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2014

    Hi Badhairday,  I had my first tx with AC on 9/24.  All the SE you read about with the other drugs seem to be pretty much the same with AC.  I've gone from constipation to diarrhea and everything in between all in one day.  That's been my worst SE.  Thanks to all for their advice in that area.  The nausea has been mild and bearable.  Been very, very tired.  Sleeping like my cat most of the time.  I'm not on steroids and am wondering why others are on them.  Maybe that will come when I switch over to Tax for the last 12 weeks.  My appetite is ok but nothing I drink, even water, tastes good to me.  

    Still waiting to lose my hair.  Not going to buzz it but my sister is going to cut it for me today.  Not really dealing as well as others with the hair thing.  I admire everyone's attitude about it.

  • ilovepugs
    ilovepugs Member Posts: 78
    edited September 2014

    Hi badhairday, 

    I started AC chemo on Sept. 22nd. I was prescribed these 4 anti-nauseants: Aprepitant (Emend), Ondansetron, Dexamethasone, and Prochlorperazone. The nurse gave me the first 3 of those meds approx. 1/2 hour before the chemo began and gave me ice to suck on during the Adriamycin portion to prevent mouth sores. During the Cyclophosphamide the nurse told me to tell her if I felt like I was getting sinus cold symptoms (I didn't) and if so, she would slow down the infusion. 

    My side effects started about 6-7 hours later. I had nausea, dizziness, and profuse sweats initially. Over the next 4 days I had nausea, often triggered by food smells, or thoughts of food; subsequent loss of appetite and of course, weight loss; fatigue; mucous/saliva overproduction; and heartburn. By Friday I had begun to crave food again (chicken soup and mashed potatoes) but often by the time the food was in front of me I'd lose my appetite again or after a couple of bites the heartburn would kick in. I took it slowly, and just had wee bits at a time. By Saturday and Sunday the initial side effects were really subsiding, but I was still losing weight and developing a sore throat. I saw the oncologist yesterday and he said it didn't appear to be thrush, but rather chemo-related mucositis. He gave me a prescription for Magic Mouthwash and some other mouthwash...I can't recall the name, and something for the heartburn, as he thinks that the heartburn may be triggering the nausea. 

    So there you have it. The only other thing that I will mention is my newly developed aversion to the smell of our little pug. To me this is like insult to injury, because she's my little constant companion and all she wants is to snuggle up beside me or on my lap and I don't know what to do about it. 

    Naturally, I hope that you don't experience any of the side effects. They're lousy and don't make for happy days.

    Christine

  • 24april14
    24april14 Member Posts: 3
    edited September 2014
  • LARock
    LARock Member Posts: 229
    edited September 2014

    Christine, I can completely relate to your comment about your pug. My constant and most devoted companion is my golden retriever but I couldn't take any more of him last night. He suffers from ear infections and the smell of him was making me crazy. How sad.

    This might sound odd but this morning was the first time it really occurred to me that I'm sick and that this is going to suck for a while. It was also the first time I cried. I am so used to powering through everything, it's hard to accept that I might have to give some ground to cancer.  

    That said, I forced myself to get ready for the day and am glad I came to the office. It feels normal (despite a fuzzy brain). I even packed a gym bag and hope to spend some time on the elliptical later in the day.

  • Rose0766
    Rose0766 Member Posts: 92
    edited September 2014

    Christine, we had two pugs, male Frankie, and female Tessie, Frankie passed away this spring, Tess is 12 and my little buddy as well, how awful for you to have issues with the scent of your dog! Maybe with time it will get better!?! Heartburn has been a problem for me as well, and stomach gas, it's not pleasant at all, I feel full a lot of the time, hope your new meds help you!

    Badhairday- I'm on AC now, had second treatment today, I get taxotere after my cycles of AC are done, my hair just started falling out yesterday, major nuisence side effects have been, constipation, nausea, fatigue, heartburn, gas and fuzzy brain we shall see if things are worse this time around.

    It's another beautiful day here in WNY, I'll take it!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2014

    Hi Ladies,

    I'm in the Sept. 2013 group. I purchased a wig last year and wore it once (guess I'm not a wig kind of girl, I preferred caps and scarves). I've attached a couple of pictures. It's dirty blond with light blond and reddish blonde highlights. It is virtually brand new and I thought maybe one of you would like to have it? It's the lace type, which gives you a natural-looking part. The wig is a large size and even though I have a large head, it was still a bit big. So, if you're a small, it won't work well for you.

    I'd really love to send it to someone who can use it. If you want to PM your mailing address to me, I'd be happy to send it to you.

    I hope everyone is having minimal side effects and is making it through. Hang in there!

    Kelly

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  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited September 2014

    click hick, how thoughtful of you!!!  Got mine last weekend. Staff asked me again today....when are yiu cutting your hair ? (Out of 28 only two know). ..... I have been preparing them for a makeover ....hah

    LA, I hear you. Yesterday at work, while in pain, it is good. Takes my mind off things. Thank GOD for sticky notes!  Had a conference call this morning I took at home then went in

    I can't say I'm 100% productive! but do feel better there.  Our non profit really helps people, so it keeps me centered

    My pain has been worse than I thought....but hey, it's manageable. Smells....:(. Our dog is 14 and a pound dog.  He is slowing down.......I am glad his smell doesn't get me yet.  But his neediness is

    I adore pugs....brother has them

    Was in a lunch meeting yesterday .... I picked Panera so I could get the kale smoothie and salad. Person I was with I thinks takes cod liver oil.  It was all I could do.....

    Christine, at Petsmart they sell a dry shampoo that smells nice. Maybe smell that first?  

    Hugs and prayers for all

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited September 2014

    Hi all, hope you are,doing well.  I am in my "off"  week from the A/C.  Feel pretty good.  Mostly just heartburn and feeling weak.  Thats OK, as I have always been a bit too independent and now I am learning to lean.  Humbling  experience but good for me.  I am scheduled for my third dose of A/C next Monday.  Love, Jean 

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