Should I be considering Ovarian Supression + AI over Tamoxifen?
Hi all,
I'm 29 years old and was diagnosed with Stage IIIC breast cancer. I am done with Chemotherapy, Surgery and Radiation and have been on Tamoxifen for almost 6 months. I am doing very well on Tamoxifen with no side effects. My Onc threw in the idea of changing to Ovarian Supression with Aromasin quoting that based on a recent study there is a 3-4% increased chance of disease free survival with this option. I am aware that OS will put me in menopause which induces a lot of Side Effects, affects bone and heart health etc and am wondering if it is worth going with this option for that additional 3-4%. Unfortunately for me, since I am Stage IIIC it is a difficult decision.
Any suggestions on what I should do?
Thanks!
Ann
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Tamoxifen may cause uterine cancer, that's another reason to consider ovarian suppression with AIs. Ovarian suppression is reversible so you could always go back to Tamoxifen if SE are too harsh. I am anxious to go on AIs because of that recent study that they may be slightly more effective for younger women. I'm BRCA1+ so I'll get my ovaries out.
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I wrote a longer reply to your post on the "Young" board, but I personally am going to push for this option. As inks said, the shots are reversible so you could test drive it and switch back to Tamoxifen if there's a bad effect on your heart and bones. I don't know if you're planning on having kids but the shots also mostly reverse themselves in women as young as us and Tamox can have adverse effects on fertility too (ovarian cysts, etc). As far as quality of life, I'm not going to lie, I've been out of chemopause for a few weeks and it's lovely (no hot flashes, sex life much better) but I still consider OS+AI a good investment in my future, at least for the first few years when my recurrence risk is the highest. 3-4% is significant if I'm in that percentage!
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Ann - I'm in my mid forties and had high estrogen prior to dx. This is why I opted to have my ovaries out and I wanted to use an AI instead of Tamoxifen because of the statistical edge. Honestly, I wanted all the treatments to help with my survival. I don't have problems with hot flashes. My cardiac and bone health are good currently but I've only been on an AI since January. I do take supplements and have a naturopathics who help me.
My MO orginally recommended ovarian suppression but I wanted my ovaries shut down permanently due to my estrogen dominance.
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this is a tough one...I recently asked my MO at Dana Farber about the study results and if they have changed their standard of care practices based on it. She replyed that they are offering this as an option to "high risk patients" , you are really really young so this of course is a huge factor. If you were 3C and over 40 then absolutely IMHO but at 29 wow you are very far from natural menopause. You could try the zoladex shots with an AI and if you cant tolerate go back on tamox - at least this is reversible unlike an ooph
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Yes, being in menopause from age 29 indefinitely is what worries me. Also, Stage 3C is definitely high risk which is why this is such a difficult decision for me.
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I hear you, Ann. Go with what your inner self is telling you. My MO and BS did not want me to have my ovaries out but my inner self was confident and strong that it was the right thing for me. It took 2 months of me presenting my case before my MO finally gave the ok.
You will make the right decision for YOU.
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Can you tell me which study you are referring to? My onc told me that oopherectomy and AI reduced reccurrence a little but not overall survival. She said that this is because death from other causes increases a little. So I remain on tamoxifen and ovarian suppression.
Keep in mind I am it's been a while since I was 29 although a doctor's note in this past year said I was a very pleasant 29 y/o ( I'm 49).
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dutchchris - the study everyone is referring to is the preliminary results of SOFT and TEXT - more data to be released in December which it seems like most ONC's are waiting for. Initial results are showing some benefit to an AI+ova suppression in pre-meno women (3-4%).
you onc is doing ova suppression plus tamox (same as me) which I believe carries the same risk as ova suppression + AI - its the ova suppression that causes the long term health issues so Im a little confused as to why your onc is telling you this is better?
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I've heard the same about decreasing recurrence. I was on tamox for 2 years and am now on AI + suppression. You will definitely have menopause symptoms, but like Bad_At_Usernames said, you can always go off of either and back on tamoxifen. I had very severe hot flashes and my onc mentioned the possibility of going off the ovarian suppression, but I haven't...with time (and diet/lifestyle management), the hot flashes are definitely better.
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Hi everyone,
Just saw my MO on Tuesday (last chemo) and mentioned the meeting to happen in Dec. About putting pre-meno women on AI+ovary suppressant. She wants me to be on Tamoxifen till then and will decide after that meeting if we need to change over.
Peacestrength - what your estrogen dominace? I am at 95% + ER and 85% + and at one point I was thinking of taking my ovaries out but I don't know if I am ready for that, worried about the brain effects but will do a better research. I have 6 frozen embryos (I am 33) and I won't become pregnant (hubby doesn't want me to and the MO said that if I were her wife she wouldn't let me either).
MaxineO - what kind of diet changes did you make? This last round of chemo has been very bad on hot flashes and night sweats for me.
Hope you all have a great weekend.
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I just saw your question, sorry! The worst thing for aggravating the hot flashes: coffee, alcohol, spicy foods, hot weather, stress. The best things for alleviating hot flashes: acupuncture, tea, exercise. Try to decrease the triggers and increase the others.
Whether it's time or a combination of these things, my hot flashes are less intense than they used to be. Hot flashes started during chemo and have continued through all hormone therapy. I used to get one every 50 minutes, like clockwork, and it was a shirt-soaker, if it was summer. If I am in a cool, air-conditioned room, I probably can go close to 2 hours now, and it isn't too intense. I'm hoping to improve that stat even more
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Lolis - I too just noticed your question. I was estrogen dominant before I was dx with bc. So, it wasn't a surprise that my bc was highly er positive. I was more er positive but my progesterone was fairly high too.
For me, having my ovaries removed helped ease my mind that much of my estrogen was shut down (I had high estrogen for several years prior to my dx). You will make the right decision for your specific situation. Everyone's situation is unique.
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