MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN 40-60ish

Options
19489499519539541064

Comments

  • KLJ
    KLJ Member Posts: 284
    edited August 2014

    One LONG weekend away from my exchange surgery on 9-2. Here's hoping my plastic surgeon and his surgical team have a nice relaxing weekend! Surgery is scheduled for 7:15 a.m. Anxious and nervous but also will be very happy to be rid of these rock hard expanders :)

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited August 2014

    KLJ - congrats! I hear ya!

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 2,264
    edited August 2014

    about soy products for er+ women, here's a good article. Again, moderation http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/nutrition/reduce...

    Drinking - I'm another who feels that my quality of life would be adversely affected if I stopped. I enjoy a few drinks a week. Articles pro and con, so we all make our informed decision. 

    Someone exercises 2 hours a day. Whoa! I work 9 hours a day and have an hour commute each way.  With 7 hours sleep, time to cook, eat and clean up, the best I can do is a 30 minute walk during lunch each day.

    We've had this type discussion before. There are 'risks' and 'possible factors' which 'may' lead to bc or recurrence. Eat smart, move as much as you can, limit bad habits, but for God's sake, enjoy your life. Stress is a leading, proven cause for many health issues. I plan to avoid that more than I'll avoid a bottle of good wine.

    Saw several reasons for pocket parties coming up. I'll be there, I promise.

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited August 2014

    marlegal thanks for the article, it was very informative. I was given the number for a nutritionist at the hospital and that article raised some questions in my mind to ask them. 

    It's been 9 years for you and we have a similar dx, I was thinking of by passing my wine, but I don't know really that I want to. Some meals are just better with a glass of wine and I like to drink one beer with pizza. 

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 2,264
    edited August 2014

    HomeMom, I hear ya! Yes, I celebrated 9 yrs last Sunday...with wine  I have done more loving and living and travelling in the last 9 yrs...they truly have been among the best of my life even with tx and all that timeframe involved. I refuse to play the  'what if' game. Anything can happen. People die from all kinds of odd things. I'm going to enjoy myself for whatever time I have left, which is hopefully many more years.

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited August 2014

    What day is the day you celebrate? Is it the day you finished all your treatment? Or the day you were diagnosed? It looks like you chose the day you were diagnosed. 

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 2,264
    edited August 2014

    That's the day I chose, actually it was mammo day, cause it's easiest for me to remember. Othwrs do surgery day, some do treatmentend day...whatever works for you, no rules.

  • heartnsoul76
    heartnsoul76 Member Posts: 1,648
    edited August 2014

    KLJ, I know you're looking forward to Tuesday!  Funny how I hate long weekends now that I'm not working... can't get anything done!  And how did I end up with so much to do???

  • KLJ
    KLJ Member Posts: 284
    edited August 2014

    heartnsoul7, I feel the same way about long weekends now! When I was working they couldn't get here quick enough or last long enough. Always flew right on by. Now (especially this weekend) will seem to last an eternity!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited August 2014

    The article DOES mention the use of TAMOXIFEN for postmenopausal women who continue to eat soy. As well, a good wrap-up paragraph which really evades the answer either way!

    Until the issue becomes clearer, many doctors recommend that women who take hormonal therapy or who have estrogen-receptor-positive breast cancer avoid soy supplements because they contain high concentrations of isoflavones. But in general, it's fine to eat moderate amounts of soy foods as part of a balanced diet. One to 3 servings of soy a day (a serving is about a half cup) is similar to an average Japanese woman's daily soy intake. If you are taking hormonal therapy to fight off a hormone-receptor-positive breast cancer, and you are concerned about any phytoestrogen effects, ask your doctor or registered dietitian about how much soy you can eat.

  • encoremom
    encoremom Member Posts: 186
    edited August 2014

    Hello, I'm 58 and new to this thread.  Marlegal, I'm right there with you on the moderation.  My onc said not to worry about every morsel I put in my mouth (did say to avoid soy supplements), but to keep the exercise going!  Also said that wine is not the witch's brew for us that some people think....just not to go overboard.  Controlling weight with exercise is the key.  Congratulations on the 9 years!!!  It will be 6 years in October for me and I choose the date of my mastectomy to celebrate. 

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2014

    I choose the day the cancer was 'out' of my body, surgery date. i am not working, and STILL run out of day before i run out of tasks!! i dont know how i ever managed to work and get anything else kept up. i am two years behind on everything, but, i AM here. i have to remember that when i am mad at my boob, and mad at treatment adverse affects. welcome encoremom.

    marlegal, love your advice!

    Barbe: don't you just love how those study explanations waffle so much?

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited August 2014

    Hi Everyone!

    I have posted in other areas of the board, but just found my way here. I am 49 and married 27 years to my college sweetheart. We have 3 boys (17, 15 and 11yrs old), two dogs (yellow lab and classic yellow dog), 5 guinea pigs and a goldfish. All of the pets are pets were adopted from rescues. (My kids think it's important that I include the pets in my intro.)

    Briefly, I had a lumpectomy, sentinel node dissection, and oncoplastic reconstruction (reduction and lift) on both breasts on July 23. The doctors expected to find clean margins and negative nodes. The margins were clean by 1mm, but the node was positive. I had a rough reaction to the anesthesia and pain meds, but am feeling much better now. It's been about 5 weeks since my surgery, and I am still bruised and swollen... sore, too. It's been so long that I am now wondering whether I have cellulitis.

    My husband has been a great partner for me, especially as I am going through this cancer crud. The kids seem to be handling it pretty well. My youngest doesn't really understand the entire situation, but we have tried to explain things to him in terms he can understand. Middle son is soft-hearted and empathetic to all people and animals, so he is sad sometimes. Oldest son is just "sure you are (I am) going to be okay." He is concentrating on that. 

    Next week, visits to the MO and RO to continue this fight.

    It's great to see the anniversaries you are celebrating!

    Poppy

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited August 2014


    oh, Poppy,, I love your avatar!! Looks like Georgia O'Keefe painting.  Welcome to the club you never wanted to join.

    And the kids are right:  must introduce the pets. They are family too.

    Glad you are seeing the MD's next week.  Check out that swollen area. It's not red, is it??

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited August 2014

    Glennie,

    I am still swollen, sore and bruised from my surgery. The bruising is getting better, but I am still all sorts of colors. It doesn't look like a rash, but it is sore and pink, purple and black. I am not red, haven't had a fever. The incisions are healing nicely. When I saw the PS 10 days ago, he wasn't concerned about the swelling and soreness. He said he did not expect me to be sore bruised and sore (still), but that the surgery was extensive.

    The pets are great! They are always happy to see me and snuggle. Well, except the goldfish. He just swims over as a greeting.

    Everyone, Does being "young" (like us) and dealing with cancer affect your treatment plan? I was wondering if the MO recommends more aggressive treatment because we have 30, 40 or more years to live after we have kicked cancer out.

    And thanks, the poppy avatar makes me feel a little bit happier.

    Poppy

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited August 2014

    poppy- did you have drains or do you still have them? If not, it sounds to me like you have an accumulation if fluids. 

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited August 2014

    My PS doesn't like drains and doesn't use them often. He prefers to not use them and thereby eliminate a possible source of infection. Which means the fluids stay in place until they are reabsorbed. So I didn't have drains, but was really swollen after surgery.

    I am probably just thinking too much and wanting the swelling to go away. I am tired of being sore and tired.

    Thanks for the support!

    Poppy

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2014

    What! No drains??? i didnt like them, but i thought they were necessary? i didnt know we got a choice. what about compression? did you have one of those sort of tube tops with velcro? no instructiond about watching what you do with your arms, or weight constrictions? now i am getting worried for you. i had bruising that didnt go away until radiation, and there is always a faint shadow of what seems like a bruise to me there. was your arm measured before the surgery by a lymphedema therapist? i had a huge hematoma, and a seroma that had to be aspirated once, i should have had it done once more in my own opinion. hang in there, and nice to meet you Poppy! love your avatar!

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited August 2014

    No drains. I've seen a few other postings mentioning no drains, but it doesn't seem common.

    I was given one of those sexy Velcro binders. Strongest Velcro I have ever seen! I was given extensive post op instructions and have had follow up appointments with the SO and PS.  I've been keeping the girls still. Tried not to do too much. I haven't lifted anything heavy and have done my arm exercises. My arm was not measured pre-surgery, but it looks the same to me. The swelling is a bit on my sides and the girls.

    Kathec- I love your avatar, too! Very striking!

    Poppy

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited August 2014


    wow, no drains,,,  never heard of that.  My PS told me that I would most likely get one just to have my dog ear removed.

  • 3littlebirds
    3littlebirds Member Posts: 101
    edited August 2014

    Welcome Poppy!

    I also thought drains were mandatory. I'm not so familiar with lumpectomy. Being BRCA1+, it wasn't even a possibility for me. The only way being "young" affected my treatment plan was my PS pushed for a nipple-sparing BMX. Apparently my BS doesn't usually like to do them on high risk patients.

    Hope your swelling comes down soon. 

  • heartnsoul76
    heartnsoul76 Member Posts: 1,648
    edited August 2014

    Hi Poppy! Yes, they do treat you more aggressively if you are "young". This is one time I didn't like being called young! Other things they take into consideration are Oncotype (have you done that yet?), grade, size, node involvement and LVI.  Only one node may not be an issue to your MO.

    They do expect us to live another 30-40 years so the young women often get chemo.  Good luck with your appointments next week.  It will be much better when you get a plan and know what to expect.  

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited August 2014


    Being "young" meant a big push to recon.  I had to keep saying over and over again that I didn't want it.  The attitude was like:  but you are going to live 30 more years?  Don't you want a breast?      

    Nope,, only if I could keep the original,, and since that wasn't possible,, forget it.   It was astoushing how many times I had to say I didn't want it. 

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 2,264
    edited August 2014

    3littlebird...I had drain with lumpectomy and my surgery wasn't even considered that extensive. Poppy, does your surgeon specialize only in breast surgery! I'm a little worried about discoloration and swelling more than a month out. Glad you're seeing other docs next week, curious to see what they say. Hugs for you as you begin this journey.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited August 2014

    I am receiving my treatment at a breast cancer center. I have a BS/SO and a PS. When I saw the PS about a week ago, he said it was unusual, but not unheard of, to still be sore and so swollen. Looks like I will need to visit with him soon.

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2014

    man, glennie. i cant believe they asked you that many times. there was this woman, Audre Lourde, who wrote a book more than 40 years ago, im sure, and she said they were mad at her when she walked in to the place she was treated, and they thought she should wear a breast form into there, because it might scare and disturb other people. she was adamant that she was fine, and felt completely comfortable with her own beautiful self, and they made her crazy by keeping asking her to. i didnt realize there was so much pressure to appear "normal"!!  they are the ones with the problem, id say.

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2014

    i am sore and swollen almost two years later. but i have lymphedema. but i had lots of nodes out. glad you met firekracker, she is something else!

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 2,264
    edited August 2014

    So sorry for anyone still hurting so far out from original surgeries. Counting my blessings, even with my LE. I'm seldom in actual pain for anything related to my BC. Now my back...that's another story, but that's been going on for more than 40 yrs, so nothing to do with BC!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited August 2014

    I did have drains, but only for 4 days. My doc does not send patients home with drains. The first week I was drain-less, I did get some fluid accumulating, but it disappeared on its own.

    Glennie, one of my docs kept pestering me about recon, also because I am "young" and "attractive." Especially that last comment always makes me want to tell him "fuck you!" [pardon the French]. So what? Ugly women don't need boobs? Pretty women can't be pretty without boobs? Whatever you pick as the answer, it is offensive.

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited August 2014

    lol.  My PS kept encouraging me to go big ( I was a DD-DDD before on my 5"2" frame before). I was really enjoying the small boobs with only 250cc .  he finally politely said you need to consider balancing the top with your bottom. ...diplomacy' for you got a fat ass'!

Categories