Invasive ductal carcinoma
I got a very unfortunate result as I expected. Tomorrow I go to a breast surgeon/oncologist. My GP told me today and his expectation I would at least need some kind of mastectomy to the affected breast, perhaps a preventive removal of the other and perhaps chemo and/or radiation both. At least the waiting is over for this part of it but...... I would so appreciate any and all responses to this post to tell me what to expect and any advice of things I should do consider or think about are particularly appreciated... At this point I really just want to survive.
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I'm sure right now you feel like the rug has been ripped out from under you and your head is in a fog. I remember getting the news and feeling like I was outside my body. Right from the get go I decided to say no to fear and to say yes to hope! I was determined to not let my mind race onto things I had no control over and to take each bit of info from the doc's as it came and process it accordingly. You have a journey ahead of you and it doesn't have to be one of destruction and fear but can be one of hope and determination to leave a legacy of what it means to be a warrior! You are stronger than you know. You can do this and believe it or not you will be a better person when it's all said and done. Breast cancer changes us, and it can be for the better! Stay strong and allow yourself all the emotion that you need to feel. There's no shame, just let it happen.
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I know it will be hard to do but start learning about the type of cancer you have so you can make informed decisions about treatments. You need to know what hormone receptors your cancer has, if any. Approximate size of the tumor and location of the tumor. In my case my survival rate was the same with a lumpectomy (partial mastectomy) or a full mastectomy, and the course of chemo and radiation were the same. I am also 56 yo, age can change things. The grade of the tumor is important also. The pathology report should have this info in it, ask for one if the have not provided you with it.
I was diagnosed Nov 13,2013, had last chemo on April 25th, last rads on June 30th, it was tough but do-able. My MO gave me an 85% survival rate, that means I have beat this! You can too. These forums are a great place to learn, listen and bitch to, the support is amazing, you are not alone.
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tears, of gratitude. I feel exactly the same way you did. Also, add in the "aggressive" and already in a lymph node part, and I just found out 4 hours ago. My blessings are so many.....i am in outer space though....i LOVED your message and cannot give enough thanks for it. It is beautiful, and you are amazing.
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For now, you "only" have to get through tonight. Treat yourself. Cry if that helps you. Or have an "adult beverage." Or do research into the wee hours. Or snuggle under a blanket and watch a movie-thon until dawn. Or hug everyone you know. Or whatever gets you through the night. (I don't REALLY recommend staying up all night; you'll be getting SO much information tomorrow. But, let's face it, sleep might not come easily anyway unless you have something you can do or take to relax. Unless you're like me. I wasn't a cryer--I'm very pragmatic and analytical).
Then take a breath and dive in again tomorrow because you'll want your wits about you. Take a loved one or friend if you can find one and they're willing. Ask for copies of your reports so you can look at them by yourself later because you won't remember everything they say. Then have ANOTHER night off. And maybe even the weekend! OK, you won't be able to stop yourself from thinking and talking and researching and wondering and deciding. You'll have been given options, and they may feel like night versus day. Maybe you'll need to make another appointment once you've thought about things. But don't feel like you're under the gun to jump into a decision. Take your time. This didn't happen overnight and it won't change overnight.
And, about 5 years from now, you'll be on here giving this same advice to someone else.
Best to you.
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yes, i dont know staging yet, but path does say
Right breast mass: invasive moderately differentiated ductal carcinoma, tubules 3, pleomorphism 2, mitotic rate 2, at least 1.0 cm in greatest extent. Expresses AE1/AE3 and lacks myopithelial cell layers by p63 and SMM.
Axillary mass tissue: involved by mammary carcinoma, at least 1.1 cm in greatest extent. This mass is probably a lymph node which is predominantly replaced by metastasic carcinoma.
Her2/neu 3 + positive
Estrogen receptors positive
What does this all mean?
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The day I was diagnosed my daughter took me to the botanical gardens where we just enjoyed nature, barely even talked about it, then dinner at out favorite taco place (with an adult beverage). Just needed that calm before the storm. There were a lot of tears as I talked with family, a lot of tears when I was alone, tears can be good.
I took a note pad to appointments, my daughter went to some with me, I knew I would not remember everything! -
Dear Bippy, one more thing I want to mention. I was very fortunate to have my husband be able to come to every (and I mean every!) appointment with me. There's so much information that will be coming your way and a lot of options thrown at you. Your head will spin. I always just felt "tingly" in the head! LOL! But my husband was so grounded and I'm telling you, once we would get home I could then ask him, "ok now what did the doctor say about this or that". Just if you have someone like that it's so good to not go to the appointments alone.
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Bippy
this is so anxiety producing-- and the reports are always filled with words that are terrifying to look at. Here is what helped me. I took (and still take) a digital voice recorder to every doctor meeting along with a list of questions. In the early diagnostic stages, while it totally sucked to have breast cancer. there were lots of good things my docs were saying to me--- but I was just too freaked out to hear them. So, after we would come home and some time would pass, I would listen to the recordings and reassure myself as the docs were talking. I heard my onc say "this is curable" heard my surgeon say " this is very solvable" heard the radiologist say " this is just a bump in the road".... and all sorts of other things that really helped me through the tough nights during the diagnostic phase. It is the hardest part.
I suggest that you review the report with your doc so that they can explain each line to you--- if that is the kind of information you need. Some people need to know that, others just need to know what the next step is. You will learn which type you are as you go through the process. I keep copies of all my reports, etc. but I really rely on my office visits to inform myself about what is happening with me and my situation. I am almost 6 years out and I still go to my annual onc visit with the voice recorder. I also used it recently as I had a thyroid issue and had to have my thyroid removed. I loved hearing the surgeon say on the tape "your prognosis is outstanding".... this is what worked for me--- may or may not work for you.....
This is the hardest part-the diagnosis, waiting for results, developing a plan. It is likely that you have time to think about this, get second opinions if you think it makes sense, etc. Ask for the oncotype test which would help you in the decision making around chemo.
Like a prior post here- I can tell you my timeline was lumpectomy in November, chemo in Jan/Feb, radiation in March/April/May and 5 years of hormonal drugs.... I worked throughout most of the treatment my kids were 7&12 at the time... it was not easy, but it can be done. but you may not need all of that or may decide not to do all of that--- once you have all of your data, you can make an evidence-based decision with the recommendation of yourdr. Always ask"If I was your favorite sister, what would you recommend?"
I still have all of the recordings on my voice recorder... I can hear the fear in my own voice as I talk with the dr. So much I did not know-- so terrified that my life was over. Truth is, they really know what they are doing in breast cancer--- and the type you have is very very common....
We all know what you are going through-- please be sure to come back and let us know as you gather more information. My new favorite mantra from Robin Roberts' book is "Focus on the solution, not the problem." That is what you will be able to do once you have all of your information.
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Hi Bippy, How are you feeling today? Have you seen the doc's yet today?
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Hi Bippy,
I was diagnosed yesterday too with IDC. I am still waiting for more info as well. I'll be keeping my eye open for your posts. I hope your day is better than yesterday. I know that mine is a little bit so far.
Liz
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Hi Bippy, I chased you down from the other thread because I was wondering if you had your results!
Hugs to you. I was so freaked out and scared I'm sure you are too. If you're reading these forums take the advice of those that have walked before you! Get reports, take notes, have someone go with you, I remember very little about those first few appointments. I kept a notebook and we used it to take notes.
If its too much please talk to your doctor and they'll give you something for anxiety through these 1st stages. I had a psychology class once and my professor said that we only experience a true crisis state for two weeks then we are able to focus on solutions. I repeated his words over and over in my head those first couple of weeks.
Good luck to you!
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Hi Bippy,
Your pathology report sounds like you are "triple positive" - like me. Meaning that your tumor has both estrogen and progesterone receptors - and will be responsive to hormonal therapy that blocks estrogen - tamoxifen if you are before menopause, or one of the aromatase inhibitors if you are post menopause. The Her2neu positive status means that your tumor has a receptor for the human epidermal growth factor - a protein - and there is a drug called Herceptin that treats this. Her2 positive used to be a bad diagnosis before Herceptin - nowadays, Herceptin works very well. Herceptin is a monoclonal antibody - without major side effects, but possible heart complications, but most often given with chemo.
My own trajectory: diagnosis with needle biopsy. Grade 3, Stage 2. I had two tumors, not too big. I had a lumpectomy. I had one positive node. After surgery I had 18 weeks of chemo - 2 chemo drugs plus Herceptin - one treatment every 3 weeks for 6 treatments. After that I just had Herceptin for one year. I also had Radiation after the 18 weeks of chemo.
I'm doing ok. Chemo sucked, but it ended. Radiation wasn't that bad. It is overwhelming, but it gets easier. Best of luck to you.
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thank you Flavia. It's also confusing and I don't have all the information yet. I will say that my surgeon to be lifted my heart and mind when we saw him on Friday. I still appreciate your information because he didn't really go over the pathology with me I think my oncologist will be doing that. However he did tell me that he believes it to be stage two and both my tumors are about 1 cm. in my right breast with the one tumor and then the right lymph node does have involvement. Naturally lymph node thing is scared me silly. It terrifies me that it may already be everywhere else in my body. I am going for an MRI on the other breast too, this week, because he said it's possible that it may be required or recommended that mastectomies eventually be done on both, after chemo. Also the surgeon immediately told me when I told him we were planning to go to Maine on vacation on August 29 ,not yet to cancel my plans, because he thinks perhaps my protocol may be able to be worked in!!! I guess that means if chemo is not a horror on me that perhaps I'll feel like going which to me sounds unbelievable but hopeful? We like him because he said there are new things such as what you're describing that "kick breast cancers ass". Told me bluntly to that next year is going to suck but he thinks that in five years I will be telling everyone my story and encouraging them.
I can't express how much your post meant to me when I woke up this morning after a semi sleepless night again and feelings of sadness and despair. I am doing a mind, body, spirit approach. Off all processed foods, no alcohol, sugar, meat or dairy. My husband of 24 years is unbelievable. I'm realizing that i have taken a lot of things in my life granted he being the main one. He's takes me out every night and we walk around the block to begin my exercise and battle plan. I am 35 pounds overweight right now and have not taken care of myself since my father's death in 2009. Talk about incentive to make changes!
Blessings & love!!!! I will update when I know more. It's going to be a week!!
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sunshine, tx for tracking me! Yes, I am in a new club now.
Your advice is excellent. Very first thing I did was tell my GP to get out that RX for Xanax. I only take it ever if I fly on a plane! Desperate times call for desperate measures however and I can tell you honestly it is been a godsend. I don't think I would've been able to function without it.
I will keep in mind the two week theory. Even though I have more information now things are still so uncertain up in the air and no plan has been formed so it is very difficult. I'm just glad there are people here that understand and will share their own experiences it really helps.
Maybe posting on a different board soon because I am considering trying to obtain SSI disability and take next year off of work to get my full and utter attention to kicking this thing. I'm 46 and have been working since I was 15 years old so maybe it's time to get some help. I have a very stressful job and I just have no desire today to even think about going back frankly. Anyway see you on the boards thank you so much!!!!!
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hi Liz thank you for introducing yourself. Looks like you and I will be learning always new things together. I'm sorry you're here but glad that we are here together!! I can tell you already these ladies have saved me psychologically. Let me know how you're doing as you learn things and I promise to do the same. Hugs!!!
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Hello,
Sorry to hear about your diagnosis. I got diagnosed June 9. I had double mastectomy and I'm glad I did. My right breast had cell changes too. I will be starting chemo on Wednesday.
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hi Jenny thank you for asking... I'm still new to this so I posted quite a bit and reply to Flavia, who was wonderful and answered a lot of questions I had too. I won't repeat the whole thing here it's kind of lengthy !!! Basically this week I think we are going to get our protocols for treatment together and hopefully I want to start chemo as soon as possible. Then later down the road the proper type and kind of surgery will be next. I am exercising and trying to get as prepared as I can.. Thanks to this board, I know just what to do.
So I may be on other boards here, to find out about hair loss, more suggestions for surviving chemo etc. I hope to see you around. How are you doing? Hugs!!
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Hi terri, it sounds like we are nearly in the same diagnosis. How are you doing? I think they're planning to do chemo first, and then definitely followed with mastectomies to both breasts as well. I hope you're doing well and healing and feeling good ---let me know. I'm still so new to this board I will be stumbling around on it trying to find the right place to post and whatnot. I hope you have a lovely Sunday --blessings.
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hello sweetie, we are here for you and know what your going thru, come here and we will try to answer your questions or at least tell you of our experience, Take a deep breath and try to relax as best you can, Support is what you need now, and you got it here. msphil(idc,stage2, 0/3 nodes, L mast, chemo and rads and 5 yrs on tamoxifen) a 20 yr SURVIVOR(Praise GOD)
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Hi Bippy, How are you doing? I hope you keep posting. It's good therapy and it's good to talk with others who've been where you are.
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I have just diagnosed IDC on right breast and the lump has been operated. Chemo started from 11.8.2014. Could you pls. narrate how many cycles you have taken and what is the period of cycles. Also narrate the radiation therapy cycle.
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Hello,
I have just detected and operated also. Could you pls. narrate the no. of cycles of chemo taken, i have started 1st cycle. How many days interval the cycle counts.
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Hello mudra,
This naturally depends completely on your diagnosis, and types of chemotherapy you are receiving. These are definitely questions that your treatment team should be outlining in detail for you.
Perhaps you should read our section on Chemotherapy: Chemotherapy
Here is our section on Radiation therapy as well: Radiation
Thinking of you,
The Mods
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Thank you. -
I will be having my surgery in the beginning of September. Is there anything that anyone can inform me on as far as preparing for this bilateral mastescomy?I am wondering does everyone with invasive carcinoma gets chemo? Iam ER positive.
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I had inductive ductal carcinoma
Stage 2a clear margins PR 100% and ER 99% lymph node. Neg Her 2 neg. my onco score was 17. So chemo was no of benefit . Had a lumpectomy . Lots of variables. Other health issues, age, doc recommendation patient choice. If reading about this stuff does not overwhelm you , reading can I power you. Helps to inform decisions . Get more that one opinion, especially if you have not read up or your gut tells you. By reading on here you will find doctors differ on their knowledge.
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Welcome to the BCO forum Mindfilnezz.
You may find reading the IDC — Invasive Ductal Carcinoma information along with Systemic Treatments for IDC: Chemotherapy, Hormonal Therapy ... on the main BCO website helpful.
Regarding preparations, have a readvof Shopping/packing/to-do list for surgery + recovery...., that may help. Make use of the time before surgery to get things prepared as your mobility will be limited after a MBx.
We wish you the best for September. Our thoughts will be with you.
The Mods
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Thank you guys for all the information. I will keep you guys posted.Mindfilnezz
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Hello guys,I have another question, I was diagnosed in early July, my grade is 2%, which I know means that my cancer is growing at a slow rate. I was supposed to have surgery early August, but because of insurance issues it will have to be in September. I am just concerned that I know I have a low grade and my tumors are under 2 centimeters, which is stage 1 , but does that mean I can wait this long? I guess I don't have choice because of my insurance issues.
Mindfilnezz
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my lump was found mid june and i had surgery mid august. My tumour was grade 3 triple neg. i felt like it all moved pretty quickly.
Best of luck to you. Stick around here for support and information.
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