I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

bluedahlia · July 2014

Sickening!

IllinoisLady · July 2014

Bren-2007 · July 2014

Libby ... Looking for the big fat LIKE button!

hugs,

Bren

pip57 · July 2014

I found it...

crazy4carrots · July 2014

And another one...

The Daily Show last night showed some footage of those same yahoos at the border, with one of them shouting "Jesus wouldn't break the law".

Hah! Just like a teavangelical -- the only bible verses they know are from the Old Testament. They know NOTHING about the life of the man for whom their religion is named. When Jesus saw injustice, he DID something about it, whether lawful or not. They don't even RECOGNIZE injustice, and compassion for their fellow man/woman/child is beyond their scope.

IllinoisLady · July 2014

Add mine !!!! ThumbsUp So very, very tired of the YAHOOS. I have read the Bible -- it wasn't anything like what I see going on now.

Jackie

IllinoisLady · July 2014

IllinoisLady · July 2014

Not sure this is going to go in correctly but I'm going to try:

Award of the Day

Idiot Quote Of The Day by

Justin Rosario • July 15, 2014 • 0 Comments

Edward Wronka: "IF ONLY DEMOCRATS can re-take the House and hold the Senate, would they re-institute Obamacare’s IPAB Independent Payment Advisory Board, i.e. Death Panels. We can see by the DEMOCRAT PARTY management of the VA, that ONLY a government-run healthcare monopoly can truly reduce our nation’s healthcare costs by selectively denying care to the politically powerless." In case you ever wonder why I treat conservatives like drooling half-wits, this would be the reason.

Jackie

GatorGal · July 2014

Brenda, we do a lot of bird watching at my house. My grandson loves to watch with us. He was sitting on the couch and glanced out the window and there sits Mr. Owl. He sat there eyeing our feeders long enough for me to take the picture through the window. We have mice, chipmunks. Squirrels, and of course, lots of birds. I'm guessing he was looking for dinner. We used to get a red shouldered hawk every afternoon but haven't seen him this year. My grandson loves the pileated woodpeckers. They come through a couple of times a year. Can't begin to guess how much DH spends on birdseed but it is so worth it. Who would guess, right here between Washington and Baltimore, that we would have so much wildlife. Will post a picture of the deer that visited the same day. This

picture was also taken from inside. We love the deer and they love our shrubs!!

GatorGal · July 2014

woody woodpecker .... I won't try to write out his sounds!! Also taken from inside the house!

River_Rat · July 2014

GatorGal, what an idyllic setting. Thanks for sharing.

RetiredLibby · July 2014

http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/07/mother-of-exiles.html

This is an essay that everyone needs to read. It is in the same vein of my own comment of yesterday. I'm not going to post the whole thing here because of copyright issues - this is the same blogger who wrote the essay about Bowe Bergdahl. Someone stole it and read it on the air, so copyright is an issue here. However, here are some excerpts ... and I urge you to go there and read it. There are "people" (I use the term loosely) who need to see this, but they wouldn't read it even if I DID post the whole thing here.

Read it, and then ask yourselves how we as a nation became this hateful.

"Hey, there’s a reason why the Statue of Liberty holds her lamp above New York Harbor and not the Texas border. Just saying.

Because that’s America right? That’s who we are, a bunch of fat old white Christians with signs and bibles screaming hatred at a busload of brown children."

. . .

"The average American family scrapes more food into the garbage each month than most of the poor south of our border see in a year. We have so much cheap food in America, that our poor people are suffering from an “Epidemic of Obesity.”

But we can’t spare a sandwich for a busload of poor brown children. Fuck ‘em! Back on the bus!"

. . .

"Despite their piety and their tearful respect for Jesus’ compassion and their billions in tax-free genuine US dollars, American Christians can’t spare a dime or a bed or a fucking sandwich for a busload of brown children who are coming from real actual persecution and exploitation and degradation and poverty and horror upon horror."

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RetiredLibby · July 2014

Hmmm. Racist much?

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/16/arizona_goper_mistakes_ymca_kids_for_undocumented_children/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Arizona GOPer mistakes YMCA kids for undocumented children

Before realizing his mistake, the candidate told a reporter he saw "the fear" on the faces...of the YMCA campers

Hoping to get in on the growing trend of low-level Republican politicians pandering to the most virulently xenophobic and hateful elements of the GOP base, Arizona congressional candidate and Republican state Rep. Adam Kwasman thought he had hit the jackpot when he came upon a yellow school bus full of migrant children.

Now I, Adam Kwasman, will have my chance to rail against a collection of terrified and innocent kids and thus somehow prove my devotion to the Constitution!, Kwasman said to himself (not really).

He even tweeted a picture of the bus so his legions of followers would know he is not a man afraid to be on the scene, getting his hands dirty, fighting for the American way of life and the rule of law.

And he was totally on-point, except for one minor detail: The bus was from the YMCA, was full of YMCA campers, and was not in any way related to undocumented immigrants or migrant children.

Before an Arizona television reporter was able to inform Kwasman of his considerable error, however, the candidate seized the opportunity to wax indignantly and self-righteously in front of the camera about how he “was actually able to see some of the children in the buses” and how he could see “fear on their faces.”

“This is not compassion,” he solemnly intoned.

Once said reporter did tell Kwasman that he was completely, 100 percent, unquestionably wrong, though, the Republican was quick on his feet: “[T]hose children were sad, too!” he responded. (This would’ve been a good line if there were any migrant children whatsoever and — again, just to be totally clear — there were not, so the “too” doesn’t quite exactly work…)

Made aware of his mistake, Kwasman deleted the tweet pictured above, and followed-up with a clarification. (picture won't copy - go to the article and see)

IllinoisLady · July 2014

IllinoisLady · July 2014

Nothing I could say to the author of the Stone Kettle piece. He has epitomized the essence perfectly of an America that should be hanging its head in total abject shame. Too bad all the sign holders don't have to live in one of these countries, for six months, in the same conditions the refugee children have. When you choose to ignore or forget where you have come from I think there will be heavy karma to pay.

Jackie

RetiredLibby · July 2014

Unfreakingbelievable. The racism flows in RIVERS through this country.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/az-protestors-blockade-ymca-bus

Talking Points Memo

Ariz. Protestors Mistakenly Blockade YMCA Bus Instead Of Migrants

ASTRID GALVAN – July 16, 2014, 10:31 AM EDT

ORACLE, Ariz. (AP) — Protesters waved "Return to Sender" signs, shoved a group of mariachi musicians and waited for a bus of immigrant children that the local sheriff told them would arrive. At one point, they briefly halted a bus before realizing it was carrying children from a YMCA.

The bus of Central American children never arrived, ending a day of protest in a small Arizona town that drew more than 100 people on both sides of the immigration debate.

Sheriff Paul Babeu is credited with stirring up the anti-immigrant protesters through social media postings and a press release and by leaking information about the migrants' arrival to a local activist. The Sycamore Canyon Academy acknowledged that it had an agreement with the Department of Health and Human Services to take in a "small number" of immigrant children from Central America, but it did not specify how many and when they would arrive.

"All this was done in secrecy, and that's where a lot of people are upset," Babeu said Tuesday. "My concern (is) where's the federal government? Why are they not here? Why did they not hold a town hall to answer some of these questions?"

He addressed both sides of the protesters, asking them to remain civil, abide by the law and keep the roads cleared. Immigrant rights activists questioned Babeu about agitating protesters when he should be bringing order as the county's top lawman.

Babeu said he was simply informing the public and was at the site to make sure the protests on both sides were peaceful.

The protests came as the government released new numbers that show how many immigrant families and children have been pouring into the country in recent months. The Border Patrol says 55,420 family members have been caught at the border from October through the end of June, a nearly 500 percent increase from the same period in the previous year. The number includes adults apprehended with their young children, and most of them were caught in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas. In addition, the Border Patrol says 57,525 unaccompanied children have been apprehended through the end of June.

The dueling groups in Oracle had a combined 130 people at the peak of the protests, including about 80 rallying against the shuttling of immigrants and 50 in favor. Pro-immigrant supporters held welcome signs with drawings of hearts.

Emily Duwel of Oracle said she did not want her town to be misrepresented by what she said was a minority of people who were against the children being housed here.

"I'm just concerned about these children who have had to escape worlds of incredible violence," Duwel said.

A spokesman for the federal Department of Health and Human Services said the agency would not identify the locations of shelters for migrants to protect their identities and safety.

Babeu has generated controversy in the past over his immigration rhetoric. When five bodies were found in a burned-out SUV in his county in 2012, Babeu quickly declared that the killings appeared to be the work of a drug cartel. A few days later, it was learned that it was a murder-suicide of a suburban Phoenix family and not drug-related.

A massive surge in unaccompanied children crossing the border illegally began more than a month ago, turning the issue into a major political debate in Washington and in cities across the U.S. In a state known for its strict immigration laws, including SB1070, which many call the "show me your papers" law, attitudes are just as contentious.

"We are not going to tolerate illegals forced upon us," protester Loren Woods said.

The fallout began in late May when reports surfaced that immigration officials were dropping off hundreds of women and children at Phoenix and Tucson Greyhound bus stations after they had been caught crossing the border illegally. Within a week, immigration authorities were flying hundreds of children who had crossed the border into Texas alone to be processed at various immigration facilities.

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I really am embarrassed to be of the same nationality as these people.

IllinoisLady · July 2014

Here's an immigrant....no go home your not welcome signs for him, but probably should be:

Carnival Cruz. Writing on the pic is not too clear. It says...The only country where a Canadian Latino can re-invent himself as an immigrant-hating southern white supremacist.

IllinoisLady · July 2014

bluedahlia · July 2014

River_Rat · July 2014

Blue, thanks. After reading the previous links I needed a laugh.

IllinoisLady · July 2014

Gator Gal....love your wild-life pictures. Just the reason I chose to live where I am. It is a bit of a refuge away from not only town, but away from some of the harsh thinking and decisions, and actions of a mad world and a disappointing United States. Our President tries, but the level of either stupidity or meanness and entitlement and racist hatred calls for something soothing. This is where I can let my breath out.

Jackie

Bren-2007 · July 2014

Good Afternoon Everybody,

Been a great day so far ... had a big report come in and also spent a couple hours mowing this morning. The weather was perfect. It felt like a late September day, not the middle of July.

GatorGal ... I love the pictures. They are really neat. I noticed the deer is right near your tomatoes. The dear are eating the unripe pears that are falling off the tree AND having my tomato plants for lunch! My tomatoes weren't doing too good anyway ... just one little tomato on each of them. I don't think they're getting enough direct sunlight.

Blue ... Your poster is funny. I didn't know that jellyfish had been around for so long. We had a lot of jellyfish at the beach in San Diego. They were mean!

Libby ... I liked your comment at the end ... I am embarrassed too. And outraged over the way the children are being handled. I read an article yesterday that said children as young as 18 months are being flown back to central America without their mothers and unattended.

hugs,

Bren

bluedahlia · July 2014

Bren, makes me want to cry.

QuinnCat · July 2014

They love fetuses. We love children. Makes the loving fetuses part look like an issue of control rather than about loving a life.

crazy4carrots · July 2014

Quinn -- It's ridiculously easy to "love" something for which you have absolutely no responsibility. Frankly, I think the sanctity of (potential) life is much less important to them than is the fact that girls and women are (sshhhh) having sex. Accusing women of having "illegitimate" rape is a perfect example. They cannot seem to distinguish between sex and sexual violence/sexual assault.

They disgust me, because they show their hatred in far too many ways.

brigadoonbenson · July 2014

I am reading the book "Unbroken" and there is a passage that reminds me that we as a nation continue to have and throughout history have been unaccepting of people who didn't qualify as our equals and gone to great lengths to treat those we looked down on with the fear that they were really just like us and what did that make us.

In this book I learned this

"In the 1930;s America was infatuated with the pseudoscience of eugenics and it promise of strengthening the human race by culling the 'unfit' from the genetic pool. Along with the 'feebleminded,'insane, and criminal, those so classified included women who had sex out of wedlock (considered a mental illness), orphans, the disabled, the poor, the homeless, epileptics, masturbators, the blind and the deaf, alcoholics, and girls whose genitals exceeded certain measurements. Some eugenicists advocated euthanasia, and in mental hospitals, this was quietly carried out on scores of people through 'lethal neglect' or outright murder. At one Illinois mental hospital,new patients were dosed with milk from cows infected with tuberculosis, in the belief that only the undesirable would perish. As many as four in ten of these patients died. A more popular tool of eugenics was forced sterilization, employed on the raft of lost souls who, through misbehavior or misfortune, fell into the hands of state governments. By 1930, when Louie (subject of the book)was entering his teens, California was enraptured with eugenics, and would ultimately sterilize some twenty thousand people." Hillenbrand"

Between the years of 1882 and 1951, 3437 black men were lynched because of hatred and fear.

During the fight for women's sufferage groups of women were sent to prison and abused for peaceful demonstration.

We can all think of more recent events where a majority of our country lost its way.

I am not at all impressed with Republican and Neo-con vituperative words and hateful action or inaction but we have been worse than this many times in our history (I am certain each of you can add more shame to the above.) and we can use that to keep our perspective.

Thoughts?

crazy4carrots · July 2014

What's happening with the refugee children from Central America reminds me of the German ship the St. Louis. In 1939, it sailed from Germany to the new world, looking for a place of refuge for its 937 German Jews (twice as many as the ship was build to carry) to escape the viciousness of Hitler and his "concentration camps". It stopped at Cuba "Nope we don't want them"; it went on to ports in the U.S. "Nope we don't want them", and then on to Canada where, to our eternal shame, they got the same response with the Prime Minister saying "None is too many".

The ship finally sailed back to Europe where some of the travellers were allowed to disembark in various countries. But more than a quarter of them ended up in the gas chambers.

Sadly, 'twas ever thus and maybe, 'twill ever be. We humans seem to frequently lack that essential "humanity" of which we seem so proud.....

bluedahlia · July 2014

bluedahlia · July 2014

gardengumby · July 2014

Brigadoon, I remember reading about the "science" of eugenics when I was younger, and how it had been applied to people who were helpless. It was terrifying that people could be so cruel. There were also cases of women who were given lobotomies for being uncontrollable - in other words they weren't the meek little mouses their husbands or parents thought they should be.

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