What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence?
Comments
-
You know Purple, you mentioning Dr. Fuhrman reminded me of something I read by him the other day--he said that taking supplemental folic acid can actually raise your risk of getting BC by 20-30%. Folate in green leafies is good--synthetic folic acid in pill form is not good. Is Supplemental Folic Acid Harmful?
-
I haven't followed this thread for a long while but did you see the latest on fasting? I hate fasting especially when working but I'm thinking about doing this next weekend. According to their research it regenerates the immune system.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/14060...
I had seen the folic acid study. I had been taking vitamin B complex post chemo because one of the B vitamins is supposed to help with neuropathy, but when I saw that study, I threw it in the garbage!
-
gary null, as i recall, does a fresh juice fast one day a week, & once a year, in a beautiful remote place in nature a 3 day water fast
-
I'm always bemused that some of the same people who eschew the horrors of sugar advocate juicing, which floods the body with fructose & carbohydrates exactly like eating sugar does.
-
yes, but sugar is a refined food & has no value except for calories, juices, fresh from fruit & vegetables, hoping organic, have valuable phyto chemicals as well as calories & carbohydrates
-
They have some phytochemicals but they are still processed by your body just like sugar and spike your blood sugar. Additionally, when that is all you are taking in, without some fat and fiber to slow down the absorbtion, your glycemic load soars.
-
yes fat & fiber are important, if your a vegetarian you get plenty fiber even if you juice. if you don't juice you get no large doses of these chemicals
-
Before drinking juice or eating carbs, it is a good idea to snack on nuts, seeds, meat, cheese, fibrous foods (such as whatever is left in your juicer) and/or the like in order to slow the absorbtion of the "sugar water plus vitamins and minerals" that constitutes even the healthiest juice. -
yes. I grind up a bunch of nuts regularly also pumpkin & sunflower seeds for their zinc, & add the ground stuff to my oatmeal every day
-
Most juicers remove all the fiber, thus a flood of simple carbohydrates and a blood sugar spike. Simple chemistry...
-
TwoHobbies, I just finished up my first 2 day fast b/c I just read that the other day. It was a bit rough, even though I've built up to it with intermittent fasting--that is, I often skip breakfast and sometimes lunch and scrunch my eating into about an 8 hour window of time. There is lots of great research about this. Today I broke my fast, though I felt I could have gone on but I'm having company this evening and going dancing, so I decided to break it. I still felt weak even after I ate but then I remembered--duh! Drink about a qt of water and it's much better.
Melissa, I know what you mean. I think that if you have a weight problem and esp in the belly, you should eschew sugar altogether, even in juice. I went on the ketogenic diet as soon as I got dx'ed, b/c I had a pretty big chunk of weight to lose and was borderline diabetic besides, and I'm sure that contributed to this. Now I've lost 30 lbs and 10 more to go and then we'll see, but really, I'm just trying to eat more veggies.
For those who do not have a weight problem and maybe have nutrient deficiencies, I think juicing would be the way to go. I think the main thing we all have to keep in mind is that there is no one cause for this so you have to pay attn to your body and become intuitive about what it needs. I never was before, but I sure am now. Oh and as for large quantities of phytochemicals, look into wild foods--they often have thousands of times more PC's than anything that you can ever grow organically, much less get at the supermarket. Look for bitter things, and a good place to start is with dandelions--tons of vit A for one thing and the whole plant is good for you. If you juice, throw some leaves in.
-
Intuitively my body wants me to carbo load because of anxiety, but that does not mean it is a good thing.
-
Once we've been diagnosed with breast cancer, juicing, especially on an empty stomach, becomes a bit problematic. When the sugar spike MelissaDalls refers to above hits your bloodstream, it prompts an insulin response. Circulating insulin is a growth factor for breast cancer. Drink your juice after a full meal, please, ladies.
-
I completely cut out juices after my DX. At most I squeeze a bit of lemon in my tea or water. other than that, I eat a lot of veggies, both cooked and raw. I can't understand what advantage there would be to juicing the veggies instead of just eating them.
-
you can get a whole lot more of the vitamins minerals & other chemicals contained in them. I compost the residue in the juicer, I have 40 years of rich earth except for the containers of it stolen during teardown of the first studio. called black gold by some
-
composting may help the dirt but it doesn't slow down the blood sugar spike from consuming the fruits & veggies sans fiber
-
I plan to juice on an empty stomach tomorrow then walk to the studio & back with more supplies, that's down a hill & up a hill & the work there & carry back down then up the calories from the juice will get me there & back & I doubt any will be able to get to my breast. I guess probably a half mile in all perhaps more
-
I plan to carry back a book voracious, among other things, mostly food, 4 new outlander stories, just out, by diana gabaldan just out this month (to me from the bookmobile)
-
Abigail, you do not get more vitamins/minerals from a carrot by juicing it.
-
very true, momine, but you can ingest a great many more carrots at one time by juicing them, thus a lot more vitamins & nutrients, minerals etc
-
Piper I did some fasting around chemo but now that I'm back to work its a tough idea to swallow, but I think I might try next weekend. I've done 48 hours but never 72 hours but I want to try to get there once. I'll let you know if I achieve it. I do the intermittent fasting several times a week. That isn't that hard but not eating 3 days with a teenage boy in the house is a challenge.
I've got to agree I don't think its good to juice or even smoothie your fruit except for a treat. I can see juicing vegetables if you want to pack a lot of vegetables in a convenient serving. A friend showed me a juicing diet she was thinking of going on and one serving had an orange and two bananas. That's a lot of sugar for one meal, even if its natural sugar accompanied by good things.
-
you can juice the citrus rinds, get a lot of unusual vitamins that way, & with organic watermellon, for instance, the rind of that too. has unusual good stuff in it
-
see livinggirllivingfoods.com/juicers-rinds-the-amazing-benefits-of-water-
-
eating more natural, wild if possible, no pesticides and the whole fruit or vegetables is the best way to go. I am following Dr. Fuhrman's diet Eat to Live and taking vegetarian supplements like iron, B12, D and C to compensate any deficiency. It is a diet that makes sense, vegetables and fruits, nuts. Not processed food except for a vegetable protein shake I am taking in the am after a banana. I have lost 23 lbs that I gained with chemo, still 10lbs to go.
-
Juicing fruits or veggies that are not organic can introduce a lot of pesticides into one glass of whatever you are drinking.
-
Meant to add, to ensure you are using organic if juicing. A car hit the ditch outside and distracted me for a minute
Kids, but are all fine.
-
It is not necessarily a good idea to overdose on carrots. If the goal is to ingest far more vitamins/minerals than a human would normally be able to ingest, then the juicing is basically a vitamin pill with a lot of sugar in it. Again, I don't think it is usually smart to take/eat/drink excessive vitamins etc.
-
& carrots are pretty sweet. but juicing leaves, for instance, kale, & I juice lettuce for pain, acessing its opioids. & again the phytochemicals in produce can only get lots of them by juicing
-
I have this lady's book and it's fascinating and here's a good article by her: Breeding the Nutrition Out of our Food The book is one of the most informative books I have on food. We worry so much about food safety here in the US but forget about getting enough nutrition in our vegetables, but there are some fruits and veggies so low in nutrition you'd almost be better off eating a candy bar! At least the candy wouldn't send your insulin soaring like some apples or onions would do.
She tells you which varieties to buy to ensure you're getting the most PNs and it's not always what you think. Like, white peaches are pretty high in PNs ad cauliflower is up there. Forget the sweet onions but eat more green onions and I have wild onions growing all over my yard. If you're going to juice, then add some crabapples--they have hundreds of times more PNs than even the highest most organic domesticated varieties. If you do this, maybe you won't need to eat a lot to get your nutrients and you won't have to buy a juicer or do all that cleaning. The other night on the way to a dance I picked some purslane from a spot I was pretty sure was not subject to lawn spraying and ate it and it was pretty good. Purslane is very high in nutrition and in omega-3s esp.
-
Piper, I always liked herbs and lots of them. Apparently herbs have lots of nutrients and there is a reason they are part of most traditional kitchens. I keep parsley and cilantro on hand and add handfuls to salads and other foods.
Purslane is eaten a lot in Greece, usually as part of a salad.
Categories
- All Categories
- 679 Advocacy and Fund-Raising
- 289 Advocacy
- 68 I've Donated to Breastcancer.org in honor of....
- Test
- 322 Walks, Runs and Fundraising Events for Breastcancer.org
- 5.6K Community Connections
- 282 Middle Age 40-60(ish) Years Old With Breast Cancer
- 53 Australians and New Zealanders Affected by Breast Cancer
- 208 Black Women or Men With Breast Cancer
- 684 Canadians Affected by Breast Cancer
- 1.5K Caring for Someone with Breast cancer
- 455 Caring for Someone with Stage IV or Mets
- 260 High Risk of Recurrence or Second Breast Cancer
- 22 International, Non-English Speakers With Breast Cancer
- 16 Latinas/Hispanics With Breast Cancer
- 189 LGBTQA+ With Breast Cancer
- 152 May Their Memory Live On
- 85 Member Matchup & Virtual Support Meetups
- 375 Members by Location
- 291 Older Than 60 Years Old With Breast Cancer
- 177 Singles With Breast Cancer
- 869 Young With Breast Cancer
- 50.4K Connecting With Others Who Have a Similar Diagnosis
- 204 Breast Cancer with Another Diagnosis or Comorbidity
- 4K DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma In Situ)
- 79 DCIS plus HER2-positive Microinvasion
- 529 Genetic Testing
- 2.2K HER2+ (Positive) Breast Cancer
- 1.5K IBC (Inflammatory Breast Cancer)
- 3.4K IDC (Invasive Ductal Carcinoma)
- 1.5K ILC (Invasive Lobular Carcinoma)
- 999 Just Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastasis
- 652 LCIS (Lobular Carcinoma In Situ)
- 193 Less Common Types of Breast Cancer
- 252 Male Breast Cancer
- 86 Mixed Type Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Not Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastases but Concerned
- 189 Palliative Therapy/Hospice Care
- 488 Second or Third Breast Cancer
- 1.2K Stage I Breast Cancer
- 313 Stage II Breast Cancer
- 3.8K Stage III Breast Cancer
- 2.5K Triple-Negative Breast Cancer
- 13.1K Day-to-Day Matters
- 132 All things COVID-19 or coronavirus
- 87 BCO Free-Cycle: Give or Trade Items Related to Breast Cancer
- 5.9K Clinical Trials, Research News, Podcasts, and Study Results
- 86 Coping with Holidays, Special Days and Anniversaries
- 828 Employment, Insurance, and Other Financial Issues
- 101 Family and Family Planning Matters
- Family Issues for Those Who Have Breast Cancer
- 26 Furry friends
- 1.8K Humor and Games
- 1.6K Mental Health: Because Cancer Doesn't Just Affect Your Breasts
- 706 Recipe Swap for Healthy Living
- 704 Recommend Your Resources
- 171 Sex & Relationship Matters
- 9 The Political Corner
- 874 Working on Your Fitness
- 4.5K Moving On & Finding Inspiration After Breast Cancer
- 394 Bonded by Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Life After Breast Cancer
- 806 Prayers and Spiritual Support
- 285 Who or What Inspires You?
- 28.7K Not Diagnosed But Concerned
- 1K Benign Breast Conditions
- 2.3K High Risk for Breast Cancer
- 18K Not Diagnosed But Worried
- 7.4K Waiting for Test Results
- 603 Site News and Announcements
- 560 Comments, Suggestions, Feature Requests
- 39 Mod Announcements, Breastcancer.org News, Blog Entries, Podcasts
- 4 Survey, Interview and Participant Requests: Need your Help!
- 61.9K Tests, Treatments & Side Effects
- 586 Alternative Medicine
- 255 Bone Health and Bone Loss
- 11.4K Breast Reconstruction
- 7.9K Chemotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 2.7K Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment
- 775 Diagnosed and Waiting for Test Results
- 7.8K Hormonal Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 50 Immunotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 7.4K Just Diagnosed
- 1.4K Living Without Reconstruction After a Mastectomy
- 5.2K Lymphedema
- 3.6K Managing Side Effects of Breast Cancer and Its Treatment
- 591 Pain
- 3.9K Radiation Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 8.4K Surgery - Before, During, and After
- 109 Welcome to Breastcancer.org
- 98 Acknowledging and honoring our Community
- 11 Info & Resources for New Patients & Members From the Team