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  • DeliriumPie
    DeliriumPie Member Posts: 1,370
    edited June 2014

    ooh I love periwinkle toes! I also like slate gray but it doesn't agree with my skin tone. 

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    Blessings,

    I think you were the one from whom I first heard the phrase "Munchausen's by internet". And you're right about the futility of reasoning. I really do need to stop myself from falling down that rabbit hole.

    Caryn

  • lekker
    lekker Member Posts: 594
    edited June 2014

    Can I join this thread?  I love purses, makeup, periwinkle (toes and anything else) and I can't seem to stop trying to "educate" someone on the same thread that's frustrating Caryn.  Is there room for one more?

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    Lekker, yes! Welcome! I just answered you over on the altie thread.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    Always room for one more! I was just admiring my fresh new candy apple red pedicure, and trying to decide what purse to take to a luncheon I'm attending tomorrow. Make yourself at home and don't worry you, won't have to bang your head against a wall over here.

    Caryn

  • lekker
    lekker Member Posts: 594
    edited June 2014

    I am soooo in need of a pedicure!  And brow wax. And highlights!  I haven't exactly let myself go but I really could use a tune up. The end of the school year is always crazy and now I have my girls with me so there's no free time. I just need to make it a priority. Yes it's all vain, but looking my best helps me feel my best. I bet you all can relate, right?

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited June 2014

    Hello girls, so sorry to see what's been happening on the other thread, especially when a respected member feels she needs to step away because of it. I would hate to see this thread losing Selena.

    Welcome to Lekker! I am in dire need of a Pedicure, but since I am just coming into Winter and will be in boots for a while, it can wait!

    I love the sound of Candy Apple Red, Caryn!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    I admit that the mere idea of a pedicure makes me squirm. I have, however, toyed with the idea of a brow job, but my brows are so small and thin that I am afraid of losing them all together 

  • lekker
    lekker Member Posts: 594
    edited June 2014

    Momine - I found someone to do my brows by asking a friend with great brows where she gets them done.  If you do eventually find someone you think you can trust, ask for a tint along with the shaping - sometimes darkening the hairs ever so slightly can really make them pop.  I was terrified the first time I tinted mine, but I have thin, light brow hairs and it made a world of difference for me.  Just be absolutely explicit about what you want and ask to be walked through exactly what is planned.  I see where your fear comes from though - an overplucked brow can decide not to grow back!

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited June 2014

    i was the original unibrow woman, thick and dark, and I completely hated plucking. When I was about 45, i met a friend who introduced me to threading! I loved it for several years, it kind of hurt in a good way. Since chemo, it hasnt really been a problem. they are in a good shape and stay separate from one another! they were much lighter, though, but my sweet hairdresser, who has given me most of the best hair cuts of my life, tinted them for me last time. it was nice, and i may have her do that again. Only thing is, I am severely underemployed, so until i find more work, the only shopping i will be doing, is in my closet. sigh. And my own pedis and I am trying to let my hair grow, and it is at an extensively awkward  inbetween short and long stage. hope all vainsters have a good day, with gentle good people around them. Welcome lekker

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited June 2014
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2014

    caryn, I understand what you're saying, and I too miss friends who have died, but don't feel any "allegiance" to the whole bco org. as I see what's happening to it.  IMHO, it's a rush for "hits" to attract advertisers, and so when controversial threads are active - voila, who benefits?  The org. is paying Big Money to a few people, and they've got to fund it.

    Blessings -  Munchausen's By Internet.  See above.  It's not a secret what's happening.  Kinda like a car crash, ya gotta just try to avoid it.

    Sad, I do think there is great value in some of the "alternative" approaches to well being, I get that good information else where.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2014

    Sunflowers, there are many good options to complement conventional training that utilize "alternative" approaches, but they must be cleared by your cancer team. For example massage! It's wonderful for your mental and physical health - gets the lymph flowing and breaks up pools of lactic acid. I got a massage every single week for 5 1/2 years and miss it desperately!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2014

    Agree, barbe, and I am blessed to be a patient at Dana Farber in Boston, MA.  I get ALL my information from nutritionists there, and follow their advice.  Which is why I was getting acupuncture treatments during my 5 years on Arimidex, and still see a massage therapist trained by Tracy Walton in Boston.  I can't imagine using an open website as a source of information, but to each her own.

    Still love the description blessings gave Munchausen's By Internet

    Bessie has a good new thread, an "off shoot" of that notorious thread,

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2014

    OMG, Beesie was one of the ones who used to rip me apart!!!! She would PM me and blast me for saying something personal in a post. She said this forum was for technical information only!! I said, no, it's for women (and men) to share their experiences with their journey through this crap. All Beesie used to do is copy and paste medical stuff and sit back and take all the glory for being so smart!! It was about 4 years ago that the penny dropped in her brain and she began to talk on a more personal level. I also stopped posting my diagnosis because of her questioning me on every thread I was on! I had Papillary Carcinoma (less that 2% of all breast cancer) and she said it wasn't cancer but just a cyst. I told her she was thinking about a papilloma but still got grief from her!!

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited June 2014
  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited June 2014
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2014

    brows? you still have brows? imagine that, well, no I can't ;-)))))))

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2014

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/17/video-heritage-foundations-benghazi-panelists-m/199750

    don't watch on a full stomach

    THIS IS GOING VIRAL, thank goodness...she is SO SO BRAVE

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited June 2014

    oh yeh. i want that too

  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
    edited June 2014

    whoaa, Sunny, that was powerful!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    The first speaker is polite enough, but his focus on Sharia is quite mistaken. A large part of "Sharia" is basically what Catholics would consider "catechism."

    The lady just  sounds a bit hysterical.

    Politics in America seem to have gone off the deep end in various ways. The hatred of Obama completely derailed the Benghazi issue. There is an issue there, just not the one ranting conservatives thought was the issue. Most likely Stevens was in Benghazi to fix an arms shipment gone awry, a shipment to the rebels in Syria. Today we can see in Iraq how great that policy was.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited June 2014

    I don't get the hatred of Obama.  He seems pretty likable, actually.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    Gumby, agreed. Unfortunately I had a gut feeling that he might be another Carter, and that seems to be the case. I like Carter, and like Obama he is an intelligent and earnest man. The problem is that "intelligent and earnest" does not translate to "effective leader" necessarily.

    I am also continually baffled by the ignorance about Islam. I don't know much, but I am trying to learn, because it is the defining issue of our era, any way you cut it. The young lady in the video is exactly correct that radical Islam must be countered on the ideological level. However, given that it is an ideology sprung from religion, religion has to be a part of the ideological response. As good secularists (freedom and democracy will solve the issue, using shock and awe if necessary) we completely fail to address the core question of the matter.

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited June 2014

    do you know the woman's name on the viral vid? that link is not working for me, just freezes my puter.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited June 2014

    Momine - I agree.  I like the man, however he one of the worst "horse traders" I've ever seen.  When negotiating, he seems to always start at the point where he'd like to end up... he's grown a little better at it while in office, but I believe that he honestly thought he could convince people by talking reasonably - and that's usually not going to happen.

    I agree also about the Islam issue.  I've read about it, as I've read about many religions through the years.  I truly do not understand the attraction, but it's obviously very attractive to a great many people.  It is the issue of our times, as you say.  Making statements that are obviously untrue about it will do nothing other than make people who know better angry.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2014

    I think the website is deliberately jammed - as it's gone viral by now

    this is the essence of it in an email I sent to many:

    MUST READ THE COURAGE OF THIS WOMAN, Saba Ahmed. Listen to the words we can hear.
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    Begin forwarded message:
    To: undisclosed-recipients:;
    Subject: Fwd: ONE BRAVE WOMAN! on W.Post,Heritage’s ugly Benghazi panel, Dana Milbank


    Some the Heritage folks seem to be creating their own branch of an intolerant American Taliban. McCain's Wackobirds label seems appropriate here. Most Milbank article readers were appalled at what went on. A few tried to justify the unjustifiable.

    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: ONE BRAVE WOMAN!
    Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:58:17 -0400
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-heritages-ugly-benghazi-panel/2014/06/16/b8bd423c-f5a3-11e3-a606-946fd632f9f1_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop
    W.Post
    Heritage’s ugly Benghazi panel

    Dana Milbank
    June 16 at 7:07 PM
    1477 Reader Comments
    Representatives of prominent conservative groups converged on the Heritage Foundation on Monday afternoon for the umpteenth in a series of gatherings to draw attention to the Benghazi controversy.
    But this one took an unexpected turn.

    What began as a session purportedly about “unanswered questions” surrounding the September 2012 attacks on U.S. facilities in Libya deteriorated into the ugly taunting of a woman in the room who wore an Islamic head covering.

    The session, as usual, quickly moved beyond the specifics of the assaults that left four Americans dead to accusations about the Muslim Brotherhood infiltrating the Obama administration, President Obama funding jihadists in their quest to destroy the United States, Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton attempting to impose Sharia blasphemy laws on Americans and Al Jazeera America being an organ of “enemy propaganda.”

    Then Saba Ahmed, an American University law student, stood in the back of the room and asked a question in a soft voice. “We portray Islam and all Muslims as bad, but there’s 1.8 billion followers of Islam,” she told them. “We have 8 million-plus Muslim Americans in this country and I don’t see them represented here.”

    Panelist Brigitte Gabriel of a group called ACT! for America pounced. She said “180 million to 300 million” Muslims are “dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization.” She told Ahmed that the “peaceful majority were irrelevant” in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and she drew a Hitler comparison: “Most Germans were peaceful, yet the Nazis drove the agenda and as a result, 60 million died.”

    “Are you an American?” Gabriel demanded of Ahmed, after accusing her of taking “the limelight” and before informing her that her “political correctness” belongs “in the garbage.”

    “Where are the others speaking out?” Ahmed was asked. This drew an extended standing ovation from the nearly 150 people in the room, complete with cheers.

    The panel’s moderator, conservative radio host Chris Plante, grinned and joined in the assault. “Can you tell me who the head of the Muslim peace movement is?” he demanded of Ahmed.

    “Yeah,” audience members taunted, “yeah.”

    Ahmed answered quietly, as before. “I guess it’s me right now,” she said.

    Plante had kicked off the forum by lamenting a “news media that is spectacularly uncurious when it comes to even the basic bare-bones facts of what happened in Benghazi that night.” But the hour that followed showed exactly why Americans (or at least the non-Fox-News-viewing subset of Americans) are rightly skeptical: The accusers’ allegations grow wilder by the day.

    Plante cast doubt on whether Ambassador Chris Stevens really died of smoke inhalation, demanding to see an autopsy report.

    Gabriel floated the notion that Stevens had been working on a weapons-swap program between Libya and Syria just before he was killed.

    Panelist Clare Lopez of the Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi said the perpetrators of the attack are “sipping frappes with journalists in juice bars.”

    One questioner said he had heard that Gen. Carter Ham, then-commander of U.S. Africa Command, had been “placed under house arrest” at the time of the Benghazi attack. “I’ve heard the same story,” Plante seconded.

    Another questioner, claiming to be from a Web site called GodSaveUSA.com, asked about an assertion that Obama “watched our people die” in real-time drone footage from Benghazi.

    Heritage hosted Monday’s gathering in conjunction with the Benghazi Accountability Coalition, a federation coordinated by Andrew McCarthy (prosecutor of the Blind Sheik, Omar Abdel Rahman) and including 15 groups such as Heritage, Judicial Watch and the Traditional Values Coalition. McCarthy’s talk to the gathering was titled “Just the Facts” — but the facts never had a chance against all the groups’ self-promotion (“Go to BenghaziCoalition.org” and “You need to be on our mailing list”) and anti-Islamist rhetoric that too often sounded just anti-Islam.

    Panelist Frank Gaffney revived allegations that former Clinton aide Huma Abedin has “deep personal” ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and said she may have advocated for laws against “Sharia blasphemy.” Gaffney also said the president’s view that “the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam” is “a statement you could have found on al-Qaeda’s Web site.”

    But it was Gabriel, a Lebanese Christian by birth, who was most vitriolic when Ahmed asked her question. Gabriel dismissed as “irrelevant” the “2.3 million Arab Muslims living in the United States [when] it took 19 hijackers — 19 radicals — to bring America down.” She mocked Ahmed’s “point about peaceful, moderate Muslims” by making quotation marks with her fingers when she said the word peaceful.

    The young woman responded calmly to the taunts of the panelists and the crowd. “As a peaceful American Muslim,” she told them, “I would like to think I’m not that irrelevant.”

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2014

    This is OT for being "vain" but I care SO MUCH ABOUT THAT WOMAN, and want her voice, like Malia's to be heard around the world!!!!!!!!

    Saba Ahmed  a graduate law student at American University, Washington, D.C.  She's got MY VOTE for whatever she does.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    The Holy Koran is available in a number of reputable English translations and not a difficult read. What will surprise many is how different societies, imams and scholars have interpreted any given surah in a multitude of ways, often to suit their own my way purposes. 

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited June 2014

    Isn't the Heritage Foundation funded and backed by the Koch brothers billions?

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