Starting Chemo in April 2014

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  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited May 2014

    Personally, I would go for the best percentage.  If you can't tolerate it you can always switch.  but god forbid you have a recurrence you say you did everything you could to prevent it.  

  • MommyQ
    MommyQ Member Posts: 117
    edited May 2014

    Mompv: I know these decisions are hard to make...there's no right or wrong choice...just trust your gut after you have all the facts you can find.

    I was in a similar situation to you. My MO told me that my 2 choices of treatment were TC (Taxotere and Cytoxan) every 3 wks for 4-6 treatments or dose-dense AC (Adriamycin and Cytoxan) every 2 wks for 4 treatments followed by 4 treatments of Taxol every 2 wks.  I was also given the option of participating in the NSABP B-47 Herceptin study for HER2- patients. 

    My MO recommended the TC because like linda505 said, the Adriamycin is hard on your heart. My MO said if I were older, she might recommend the dose-dense AC+Taxol, but since I'm only 43, and will need my heart to be in good shape for many many more years to come, she recommended the TC. I also confirmed this recommendation via a 2nd opinion from another doctor, who told me that these 2 treatments are very similar in results with AC+Taxol being maybe 2-3% more effective (essentially the 3% improvement your MO quoted also) but with more heart risks.  Now that I've had 2 TC infusions, with my resting heart rate at 95-120 bpm for the full week after infusion, I'm personally glad I didn't choose the AC+Taxol to tax my heart even more. That's just my experience. Everyone is different.

    As far as the Herceptin study, I chose not to participate, due to my own selfishness in wanting to be just done with chemo after the 6 TC infusions. Participating in the study would have required me to come in every 3 weeks for the Herceptin until a whole year after my first infusion, AND I would have to come back regularly for years afterwards to submit blood samples for the study. It was hard enough dealing with having to do chemo for 4 months, after having a BMX, and knowing I had radiation, an implant exchange surgery, and 10 years of hormone therapy to follow. Just too much for me.

  • Longislandl8y
    Longislandl8y Member Posts: 145
    edited May 2014
  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited May 2014

    ct scan results:  NO EVIDENCE OF DISEASE!

  • MommyQ
    MommyQ Member Posts: 117
    edited May 2014

    Timbuktu: THAT'S AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jaimieh
    Jaimieh Member Posts: 2,373
    edited May 2014

    Timbuktu that's awesome news!!!

  • linda505
    linda505 Member Posts: 847
    edited May 2014

    wooo hooo timbuktu!!! and love the tshirt longisland!!

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited May 2014

    thanks guys

    hope this is an omen for everyone on here!

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2014

    awesome, Timbuctu!!!!

  • Mompv
    Mompv Member Posts: 110
    edited May 2014

    that's so awesome Timbuktu!!!!!

  • EverForward
    EverForward Member Posts: 242
    edited May 2014

    Yay, Timbuktu!!! I hope you do something awesome to celebrate.

  • merg
    merg Member Posts: 61
    edited May 2014

    Happy Happy Dance to you, Timbuktu!

  • Cammychris
    Cammychris Member Posts: 99
    edited May 2014

    I posted in May 2014 just wondering if anyone can give me a little advice?

    :

    Hi guys! I am not sure if I am posting in right spot but have a
    question. I meet with oncologist tomorrow and am wondering if there is
    anyway I may not have to have chemo or is it a good probability I will
    have to have it? I know we are not Doctors but am wondering others
    opinions on it. Here is the info I know, again not asking for medical
    advice just a opinion on what everyone thinks. I am 34 years old I have
    DCIS in right breast nearly 60% of breast was grade 3 dcis, I also had
    9mm of IDC in the same breast, which was grade 2. No lymph node
    involvement and had a double mastectomy and I am also BRCA 2 +. I do
    not have a onco type yet I am just trying to see if it is a big chance
    of chemo. Thanks for any advice.  ER+(85%) PR- HER 2 -

  • mmtagirl
    mmtagirl Member Posts: 509
    edited May 2014

    Hello Cammychris,

    I am nor familiar enough with stats on BRCA+ and no lymph node involvement to comment intelligently.  

    However, as you read through this thread of amazing women you should feel some comfort in knowing that if you do need chemo you will get through it.  It is no walk in the park, but, manageable.  It is always scarier before you get started.  Good luck tomorrow.

    Congrats, Timbuktu!

    Long Island, I need that shirt!

    Mompv, I was given the choice of TCx4 or CMF over 6-8 months.  I went with TC and landed in the hospital because of the Taxotere.  Was switched to AC for 3 rounds and will have low dose taxol for 12 weeks.  So I will be 6+ months on chemo anyway.  There are no perfect answers.  Just don't look back once you make a decision.  Will be thinking of you.

    A few days or maybe a week ago several were discussing chemo pause or the lack thereof.  I have experienced 3 periods and spotting on off weeks since starting chemo.  Interesting that so many of us are experiencing heavier and more frequent periods.  My mo thinks my body may be going through its final adjustment before pausing.  I am 51.  I figured I would be paused for good by now! It irritates me every time I am asked to take a pregnancy test and have to pay for it.  Really?  I am 51! 

    Weird question, everything I read indicated that my skin would get dry and I should moisturize my skin extra well during chemo.  However, my skin has gotten much smoother.  Like baby soft skin.  Not dry at all. Maybe it's the hair loss?  My skin also feels slightly numb when I touch it.  Face, arms, everywhere. Not a bad feeling , just strange.

    Wishing everyone a SE free weekend!

  • MommyQ
    MommyQ Member Posts: 117
    edited May 2014

    mmtagirl: I haven't noticed any change in my skin despite also reading that it would be dry. I guess we should consider ourselves lucky with that! :) As far as my period, one started on the day of my first infusion (yuck!). It's been just over 4 weeks since infusion #1 and my period hasn't started yet. Since I'm usually on a 25 day cycle, I'm 4 days late and wondering if it's going to just stop or if it's going to go into some weird cycle. I'm kinda hoping it just stops. I wouldn't miss it. :)

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2014

    mmtagirl - the skin on my face is very smooth, and actually looks better after 2 TC cycles than it did before - I apply moisturizer, but it really isn't dry at all.  Skin on my arms does get very dry - and I'm seeing more spots / blotches.  Legs are normal, not too dry at all.  My dermatologist said this is all normal, and she scolded me to moisturize even if I didn't think I needed to.

    Mompv and Cammychris - I know making the decision on which chemo, or whether to do chemo, is hard, but like others have said, you can only get as much info as possible and make your decision - then move forward without second guessing.  I think we are all learning there are no absolutes in this game.

  • ColdInCanada
    ColdInCanada Member Posts: 95
    edited May 2014

    Hooray Timbuktu! Wonderful news - celebrating with you! :)

    Cammychris - it's hard to say whether you will need chemo or not. As you said, we are none of us doctors, and many of us were initially told "no further treatment needed" only to be sent on the chemo train once the final pathology came in. In my case, I had only 6mm of grade 3 IDC, but the HER2+ result changed everything. My advice to you is to prepare yourself for the worst case scenario. As mmtagirl said, chemo is scary, but absolutely doable. And there are a truckload of women on these boards who will support you through it. Best of luck tomorrow.

    Regarding periods, I got mine the day after Infusion 1 (SERIOUSLY? is what I said). It was heavier and more painful than normal, lasted one full week, and then...NOTHING. At all. Since April 11. I'm celebrating that, by the way. Happy Dancing and Woo-Hooing CELEBRATION going on. Of course, NOW I have hot flashes and cold night sweats to deal with, but I will take them over the period. :)

    Longisland - I NEED that t-shirt. Love, love, LOVE that. :D

    mmtagirl - my skin is only drier on my face, and I seem prone to breakouts near the end of each Round. But everywhere else, my skin is softer than before - even on my hands, which are normally very, very dry. I thought maybe it was the all-natural organic soap I'm using, but if others are experiencing the same thing...A Chemo Bonus maybe? A roundabout chemical peel for the skin? :)

  • chknfeet
    chknfeet Member Posts: 29
    edited May 2014

    Cammychris - I'm no expert, but as I understand, the higher the grade the more likely you will need chemo.  Do you know the makeup of the grade 2?  Using the Nottingham histologic grading, there are 3 things they look at. My biopsy at diagnosis came back with a grade 3 tumor.  After the mastectomy, the grading came back at 2.  When I looked at the 3 subsets for grading, my grade 2 was on the higher side (3+2+2) if that makes any sense.  My ki67 score was also high at 55% so I suspected I would need chemo all along.  My Oncotype ended up at 34 so was definitive for chemo.  My MO told me that even if it came back at the low end of intermediate (18-31) that she would have recommended chemo due to my age (38).  All this said, you are also lucky in that your tumor is less than 1 cm so may sway to no chemo.

    Fingers crossed your Oncotype comes back very low, but in case you need chemo, its very doable.  I am 1 week out from 2 of 4 treatments and have worked full time, taking off only 3 days, 2 of which were for infusion.  My first round was rough, but this time around everything has been manageable with OTC pain meds. 

  • Golfingirl
    Golfingirl Member Posts: 40
    edited May 2014

    excellent news, Timbuktu! 

    Long Island - see if we can get a bulk discount on those t shirts for us

    Footballnut - yay, Rangers!!! That was a great game. 

    Welcome, cammychris - good luck with your appointment today. Hopefully your doc will guide you through everything and you will be at peace with whatever treatment is necessary. We are here to support you through it all. Chemo is tough but manageable.

    I think it's always easier to go full force and if not tolerating it, back up or change game plans. Easier to try then regret, IMHO. For me, there is very little options. It's kicking my butt but im getting through and can feel the tumor shrinking. That's the amount of hope I need to welcome more into my body.

    Happy Friday everyone! 

  • mikishelley
    mikishelley Member Posts: 83
    edited May 2014

    Timbuktu - Congratulations this is wonderful news!

    Cammychris - I was not going to have chemo until my Oncotype test came back. Chemo brain forbids me to remember my score but my chemo was elective to reduce recurrence. Whatever you are faced with I believe we all now instinctively what we will do. Also, I think the worst part in the beginning of all of this was the waiting. Now it is getting through the  rough days and celebrating the good ones. Whatever you go through just remember there is a whole world of ladies out here to help you through every part of this journey.

    Happy Friday everyone!

  • jhodro
    jhodro Member Posts: 240
    edited May 2014

    Cammychris - I was also not supposed to have chemo, then the MO felt that he couldn't let me not do anything because of my age and how quickly it had appeared. Plus mine was multifocal. So I talked to another MO from University of Michigan and he pointed us to a study that just published in December 2013 about the benefits of weekly taxol (for 12 weeks) in reducing recurrence for tumors under 1 cm. Plus, I have HER2+, so I will get the benefit of a year of Herceptin. I figured I'd go the route with no regrets - meaning I'd do the Taxol, then I'd have done everything possible to avoid recurrence.

    Best of luck in the decision. From experience, the decision agony was worse than the treatment. Whatever you decide, no looking back!!

  • ColdInCanada
    ColdInCanada Member Posts: 95
    edited May 2014

    LADIES! My new wig came today, and I just HAVE to share it with you. It's pink and looks WAAAAY better on me than on my husband (as per a Facebook poll). 

    image

    Isn't it AMAZING what you can get for $8 on amazon? 

  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited May 2014


    ColdnCanada - That is a great wig.  The Hunger Games!

     

  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited May 2014

    I just saw this article that was released today.  Thought I would link it in case anyone missed it.

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-05/uotm-wwm053014.php 

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2014

    Pretty in Pink, Cold !!!!

  • mmtagirl
    mmtagirl Member Posts: 509
    edited May 2014

    Cold, you look HOT!

  • Swissmiss
    Swissmiss Member Posts: 111
    edited May 2014

    colinincanda...love it!  

    Question for you all: has anyone caught a bad cold or worse, strep?  My husband has been dealing with strep throat this week, and now we suspect my 11 year old has it.  Along with my husband's strep, he has a terrible cough too...which I think I've caught.  I am currently "in between oncologists" until Wednesday, so I called my super-busy, never-time-for-me old oncologist, told his nurse about the cough, and was told that I should go the emergency room for a chest x-ray.  Is this just him brushing me off, or is it necessary to incur the cost of an emergency room visit for a cough?  Even with chemotherapy I think this seems extreme, don't you?  I don't have congestion, just the cough.  Not a completely dry cough, but nothing that I think has moved to my chest.  We moved here not long before I was diagnosed with BC, so I haven't had time to establish a regular family doctor yet either.  What to do?  I think ER is a little over the top, and I suspect it was just an easy answer to give on a Friday afternoon when the nurse just wanted to get to happy hour.  Thoughts?

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited May 2014

    Hmmm...don't know why my random sounding post came up here when the discussion was about chemo and NOT stubble on a bald head!! Lol...

    We endure the chemo....we are strong....we are fighters!  Yes, chemo sucks...but if it sucks the cancer out of you then YEY chemo!!!  (That was in a card I got)...peace and good health to you all!! Rosie

  • ColdInCanada
    ColdInCanada Member Posts: 95
    edited May 2014

    Swissmiss - do you have a fever at all? A fever would indicate an infection and then YES, the emergency room is a good idea. Where are you in your "chemo cycle"? Are you at a low WBC point? The only time I was told to go to the ER was a). a fever of 100.5F, b) signs of an allergic reaction, or c). I start to feel really, really sick and "not right". Maybe wait and see if a fever develops or if you start to feel really, really bad? 

    Disclaimer: I am obviously not a medical expert, so feel free to ignore everything I just said. :)

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited May 2014

    you are gorgeous.  can't get that on amazon for $8.

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