Premenopause peak fitness and weight loss on tamoxifen

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ejkerr
ejkerr Member Posts: 1

I know there are many other parallel threads on this, but I'm having trouble finding sources •anywhere• that address high-activity survivors and people wanting to •regain• peak fitness after weight gain and some joint pain while on tamoxifen.

I'm working virtually every day (running, Tracy Anderson Metamorphosis, Jillian Michaels Body Revolution, kettle bells, weights, intensity intervals), and while the rest of my body is getting in shape, I've got torso weight I've never carried before.

I am about a year on tamoxifen. Side effects have been mild (some hot flashes here and there) •other than this awful weight gain•. I had a BMX and reconstruction (still waiting on final implant surgery), so feel I have "lost" my body in so many ways. If I can't get back to bikini-readiness, I feel like I'll have to give up the tamoxifen, which I know is foolish, but I'm that disappointed with how my metabolism has changed. This much working out, before, and I'd be a hard body already.

I've always eaten healthily (organic, lower carb); I've read some Jorge Cruise, and know that hormones obviously play a part, but wondering if there's some kind of key we're missing.

Leptin/grehlin diets say not to eat between meals spaced 5 to 6 hours apart; other diets say to eat lots of small meals. I've done no/little carb, but then also read (Jorge Cruise) that some carbs/grains/legumes are needed to support serotonin production, which affects insulin and weight gain...

Any thoughts? Would love a discussion on this!

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2014

    Hello ejkerr, and welcome to Breastcancer.org.

    You might also want to post your question in the forum Fitness and Getting Back in Shape. You'll also find helpful information at the main Breastcancer.org site in the Nutrition section (look for Healthy Eating During Treatment, and Healthy Eating After Treatment), as well as the Exercise section for more about exercise around BC diagnosis and treatment. 

    Best wishes,

    • The Mods

  • mdg
    mdg Member Posts: 3,571
    edited May 2014


    I am in the same situation.  I had to retire my bikini last year.  I have always worn a bikini - even the year after my son was born.  I have never had belly fat until tamoxifen.   I exercise a lot and am a fitness instructor.  I have gained 25 lbs in the past few years.  This is what I weighed when I was really pregnant with my son!  I have never had this issue.  I am completely frustrated.  I eat healthy too.  I guess this is the new normal...........it sucks to have this happen after everything else we have been through. 

  • Stephie_helen
    Stephie_helen Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2014

    Ohhh my goodness I can relate! I am making myself crazy trying to lose the weight and get back to the fitness level I was before diagnosis. (I did an Ironman the year I was diagnosed and recently did my first ultramarathon and am now training for a half-ironman - I exercise A LOT!) My doctor told me yesterday that she was worried that I'm depressed and might want me on an antidepressant... I (not so delicately) explained to her that I am not depressed, I AM FAT - I feel like an elephant when I try to run! I've asked every single doctor I've seen to help me understand what's going on with my body and I generally get the same answer ... menopause (at 34) + tamoxifen + a very conditioned heart = weight gain (for me). Short of starving myself, nobody has answer. And I'm getting BIGGER! 

    Sorry - I don't think this post is helpful, but I do feel better for getting that out. :) 

  • BikerLee
    BikerLee Member Posts: 355
    edited May 2014

    This is TOUGH!!!! And many really invalidate athletes' feelings in this regard.  Like - be grateful you're alive and so on.... And I am grateful to be alive, but I'm also an athlete and LOVE being an athlete.  

    Anyway - not on tamoxifen - there's a mountain bike racer who was:

    http://athletefightscancer.blogspot.com

    She's pretty darn cool. Unfortunately, she had a recurrence on tamoxifen... and now she's had the ooph and she's taking a different drug...  But still - she's a total bad ass. I put the link to her blog up there.

    So - on to thoughts. 

    There's no doubt in my mind that this drug - and several others - are obesogens.  That is, they are molecules that interfere with the endocrine system, and they play a role in weight gain / loss etc...  Now, do I know the mechanism? Do the drugs make people more hungry? Have a slower metabolism? Do they change the way cells differentiate? How much fat is stored in a cell?  I don't know the answers... but there are several different mechanisms by which various chemicals (and drugs are chemicals) can act as obesogens.  I have some background in this area through a class that I teach at my university....

    I do know that some people seem to really struggle with this...  And weight is also a risk factor for risk of recurrence.

    So, I guess that leads me to this - can you have a candid discussion with your care team. What is the drop in recurrence risk if you take the drug? If you lose the drug, lose the weight, and maintain your fitness?  From what I've read, it seems like it's a wash in terms of the drop in risk of recurrence.  That is to say, if a person can drop the weight and the drug, their risk of recurrence looks similar to keeping the weight and the drug.  Now - I'm not a medical expert... This is what I've HEARD and READ about.....  But, if it's correct, then a candid discussion with your health care team is definitely in order.  MAYBE - just maybe - you can get the benefit of the drop in risk of recurrence by doing what you already love to do?  If tamoxifen is keeping you from maintaining that healthy low-bmi weight... well, could you end up with practically the same risk of recurrence if you drop the weight and the drug?

    OK - well - those are my thoughts. I know many people who have decided to take the drug - to not take the drug - it seems to me that THESE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS!!!!!

    But maybe - just maybe - it's worth revisiting?

    Good luck... 

  • Meganmm
    Meganmm Member Posts: 20
    edited May 2014

    I'd love to hear thoughts too.  I've been an almost daily exerciser for the past 15 years, but since having BC, surgery, hysterectomy and Tamoxifen, I'm carrying around a spare tire around my belly and an extra 5-6 pounds that won't budge.

    I asked my oncologist if the Tamoxifen could cause weight gain, and she said NO, the stress you are under is why you have gained weight, plus your age (50).

    When my appt was over, and I had changed back to my clothing and opened the door, i heard her down the hallway telling someone she "loves how everyone blames the medicines they are on for all their problems".  Needless to say, she is not my favorite dr, and if i had to visit her more than once every 3 months, and her office wasn't so close and convenient to my job, I would have switched doctors based on her remarks.

  • Stephie_helen
    Stephie_helen Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2014

    Meganmm - My oncologist said the same thing! I was angry! I actually called him out ... "Do you think this is my first rodeo?!? I know how to maintain a healthy weight!" But funny enough, when I met with the cancer dietitian at the hospital she told me that it was absolutely the tamoxifen causing my problem. 

    A related question - do any of you struggle with edema in your legs since treatment? I am the only one of my cancer peeps with the persistent issue. It's pitted edema and it is FIERCE in my shins. None of my doctors really have an understanding of why it's happening or how to get rid of it... Meh.

  • BikerLee
    BikerLee Member Posts: 355
    edited May 2014

    pitted edema - whoa - i'm sooooo sorry - that really just plain sucks.

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