waiting for reoccurance
Any of you told after your surgery and final pathology report by dr. "your a higher risk for reoccurance" some days thats all i dwell on, just waiting for some symptom :-/
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Living.
On my copy to patient notes, my surgeon states 'G**** is aware that she is at future risk of chest -wall recurrence'. I take this to mean that sooner or later it's coming back.
I don't even know exactly where my chest wall is.....
Industrial dosages of anti-depressants largely prevents me from ruminating on this.
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For my own sanity I prefer not to ponder too much about my DX or my prognosis - those are the things I can not change. I prefer to think about things I can change - like how I will live the rest of my life. You are so early in your DX and it may be hard to get over the initial shock of it all but I assure you that time will come with or without the "industrial strength antidepressants". If the anxiety is interfering with your daily life you should try to ask your doctor for medication, I was on Xanax myself.
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Yes.....and my oncologist...never used the word cure.....just... "our goal is to keep you in remission". I hated it.
And yes the first years were so tough....probably not until year four did I settle down a bit without thinking of cancer every day.
It's tough with as many nodes as we had....and how large our tumor was.....but there are others beside myself passing ten years ..."in remission".
It does get better....you just need more time on your side. My only advice is keep yourself busy...plan things to do that can occupy your thoughts.
Before long....you will be 3, 5, 7, 10 years out.
Jacqueline
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No expiration date on anybody's big toe. Only God knows. Maybe my cancer will come back again someday and if it does, I'll deal with it then. But, in the mean time, I've got stuff to do and I'm not gonna give up any of my days worrying about maybe. (Like several have already mentioned, as time goes on, it gets easier to put these thoughts on the back burner.)
Hang in there!
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Yes... I was warned I was at high risk for a reoccurence. And I have not exactly been a model of compliant survivor who took her AI's regularly or exercised or ate sensibly. I lead a debauched lifestyle and my exercise consists of lifting a martini glass. My KI-67 was an astronomical 70%, nodes were matted and clumped, tumor was the size of a chicken egg. Right now I am feeling indestructible but some day my retribution might come. In the meantime, I have enjoyed the shit out of these past 11 years. Weesa
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Weesa, I think of you every time I drink a bit too much red wine
Red wine is way better than xanax, as far as I am concerned.
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Weesa I love your posts your honesty always makes me smile! Living as others have said it does get easier.
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Weesa....I am in your camp, although I do exercise. Nothing like a few endorphins to keep those worries away. My big personal accomplishment this year was rocking a corset at the Oldschool Pinups party. I was drinking good wine too!
Newer research shows that wine isn't quite the scourge that was once thought. I questioned the initial findings anyway as done on a group of women who were not taking anti-estrogens. Wine is one of life's great pleasures.
I had to reboot my career and life, and am now doing my best work ever. This year's big challenges are rebuilding my wardrobe as not enough office attire after several years working at home. Plus, organizing my new place. Plus, finding enough time in the day to get it all done. Lots of six day weeks.
Yes, I had a highly aggressive tumor which was thought to be Stage III.....huge lymph node. I was extremely lucky to have only one. I got the warning, and decided that I needed to focus on living. I eat about 80% healthy stuff. A girl has to have some FUN in life, and food is another supreme pleasure.
In moving forward....it happens when you layer in new experiences over your cancer diagnosis. Things like a trip to Maui, getting a White Paper published, hiking near Mount Rainier and seeing the Alpine flowers, seeing the former Rector of my church consecrated Bishop in Vancouver BC. It took more time than I ever imagined, and happened sometime at about the 4 year mark. Now, I am, as my friend who did not make it from pancreatic cancer, would say: basking.
One thing I did during the dark time was focus on things that bring me JOY. The view I had of the Olympic Mountains; flowers, good food, watching opera on Youtube, wearing out my cashmere sweaters, and some serious "time between the sheets". The list is different now, but I do this every single day.
I am not about to waste any of the days I have been given. And this includes rocking a corset to prove to the world that I can still do this. - Claire
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Claire, I just wanted to say I love your posts. They've lifted me up many times when I've been feeling hopeless. I hope someday I can have your mindset and carry it with me every day. I wish there were a library of "Claire_in_Seattle quotes" on the board.
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I too love Clair's posts. They really are so uplifting, ladies. As for this topic, yes, wintersocks, I so do get what you are saying. My onc is always reminding me "it's his job to keep the cancer from coming back"
Oceana
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Ditto what everyone else has said. Only time and distance will ease the constant worry. I won't lie though, I've had plenty of scares over the past few years (most posted here) and I still haven't gotten the hang of what is supposed to be "normal" anymore. So hard to trust your own body! But I agree that if it's overwhelming you therapy, meds, meditation, exercise, alcohol (in moderation of course
), whatever works for you!
And Weesa, you do crack me up and that's why I love you all so much. You all "get it!"
Love,
Sharon
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Weesa & Claire -
LOL.
I can't say that I never worry about mets, I do - but in some ways it has let me 'let go' of a lot of things & allow myself to do more of the things that I most want to do. I guess in some ways I put me first and don't worry so much about what the rest of the world thinks.. and that's kind of nice. But I still plan to live to 90 and die in my sleep.
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Yep, my doctors were not exactly gloom and doom, but the "high risk", "multitude of tumors", and "very diseased breast" comments were hard to hear. I didn't know what to think, really, because they were all over the place in describing my prognosis. For the most part they don't know, and all my research seems to bear that out, too. This dx helps me to take a good look at how I am living, what I am doing to myself with my thoughts and feelings, and what I can do to live a better way. I'm not over the fear; I think it is just a part of who I am now. I can function in spite of it. It has been a slow change in me that has allowed this. I'm in a much better place than I was in the early years.
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Thank you everyone! Busy day today, including filing my business taxes a couple of hours ago after my run. Did I mention that drinking wine AFTER a run heightens the experience??? BTW....checked this out with my friend who is a wine bar manager and a friend of mine. I am the age of her parents, but she is happy to hang with me. She confirmed this. Of course, the real bond is good food and wine.
Dinner was some halibut I got following a cycle a couple of weeks ago to see the tulips. With some asparagus, and creamed spinach with wild dried (they dried in the fridge) mushrooms, and of course potatoes. Food for the gods.
I think it's time to re-post the picture of me in a corset. Taken by my friend Dottie who is an aerospace engineer. Important for 2 reasons: 1) I had breast surgery and 2) I am in my 60s. My friend Misou (at Nordstrom) did the makeup.
The woodland part of my run tonight was just divine. Scent of spring, and of course I thought of Viognier wine.
I am off to bed as equally busy in the AM. - Claire
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I too am struggling. Someday's are harder than others. I keep thinking what if, what if! When is going to come back. I know I am being irrational and freaking out, but I cannot help what pops into my head. Today has been very hard. I don't want to focus on this because I know no one knows. I don't want to waste valuable time thinking the worse. I have three boys and I am a single mom. Their dad hasn't been in the picture for a very long time. I am all they have. I feel pretty good considering all the surgey and treaments and radiation. Every little ache or pain gets my mind going. Like you I need someone to talk me down. It also bothers me when friends or family (well meaning) tell me not to focus on it. They don't know what it is like to get told you have cancer. I know they mean well but it still frustrating.
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Claire
That is a great picture and you're right, I would never guess 60!
Fear of recurrence is very hard to deal with. Very hard to know what to plan for. Do you save for the future? Do you spend it now when you are healthy enough to enjoy life. I can't wrap my brain around it. I would love some genuine wisdom. What I have done is to work. I take more vacation. I treasure my friendships. I try to spend time with my family. I hired a personal trainer and try to work out at least 5 times a week. I don't know the answer. All the above help but the reality is that i could find out tomorrow that I'm stage 4. It's tough.
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I was glad that I was only Stage IIIc instead of Stage IV. But then I'm IBC which does NOT have 'great' odds. No one knows what 'tomorrow' will bring. I refuse to allow myself to dwell on what might/might not happen in the future and lose all the joys each day brings if I/we LIVE in the present. IF I do have to deal with IBC again - I'm ready for the fight! There are no guarantees in life.
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living,
My MO does not or refuses to talk about the what ifs.. I did have an survivorship meeting with a nurse practitioner, who told me my future was "uncertain". I appreciated that she was honest.
Living as well as can be expected, still pretty fresh & new.
Claire, you are rocking that corset ! Fantastic photo, I am jealous of how strong your upper body looks. I used to have strong shoulders, muscle tone. Now, not so much. Working on it, though.
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I wanted to chime in here with my thoughts....I was diagnosed in 2005 at age 41 (see stats below). I did all my treatments and went on my merry way living life beyond breast cancer.
The first three years after diagnosis were difficult getting grounded again and learning to let go of the worry of reoccurance.
My MO released me from his care after 5 years to my regular doctor who scheduled my annual followups. I was told by my oncologist I hope I never see you in my office again.
Well the other other shoe dropped after 8 years of being cancer free...after having what was suppose to be a prophylatic masectomy with reconstruction in December 2013 I was diagnosed with a 2nd breast cancer in my same affected breast. It is not a reoccurance but a new Primary as the receptors have changed from Estrogen Positive with my first bc to Triple Negative this time. Thankfully the tumour was 1cm and both Bone and CT scan confirmed no spread to any organs or bones.
I guess way I am trying to say is dont waste the "good time" you have worrying about this beast coming back. I had a good prognosis the first time around and although triple negative this time- plan on being here for many more years. If it is gonna happen it will happen, breast cancer is a crap shoot.
Enjoy and live your life everyday to the fullest.
Michele
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Living,
I think it would be hard to find someone on these boards who wasn't told they were a high risk for reccurrence. No one can go through what we've been through and not have a hard time getting past it. Even now, I have my moments, but it is has become a lot better over the years. It will get better for you, and you will get stronger. What helped me was understanding that no one, even my Oncologist, can predict what tomorrow holds, so I am seizing today with gusto. Even people who haven't gone through this aren't guaranteed anything. Surround yourself with wonderful people. Cut the negative out of your life if there is any there, as much as you possibly can. Plan long into the future, and don't let anyone take away your hope for a bright future!
We are here for each other.
Hugs
Bobbie
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Spunky, you have great advice .... "cut the negative out of your life..." Funny you say that because this last weekend I had a big fight with my brother who treated me very badly over some family business, and I vow to cut him out of the conversation in the future. They say blood is thicker than water -- not so for everyone. Sayin.......
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Spunky- I wasn't told I was high risk; in fact quite the contrary. I have Stage II, Grade 1 IDC. My Oncotype score was 11. According to that test my recurrence rate is 8% with taking Tamoxifen for 5 years. I am 3 1/2 years out from DX. My sister n law had DCIS and was told she was lucky and low risk as well. We know there are no guarantees but our Oncologist(we have same one) was extremely optimistic. My sister n law is 6 years out. So far, so good. Diane
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Hi Ladies, yes it is so hard to move forward sometime when you have every little ache and pain . I am trying so hard to not think about met, but sometime the darkness just pop in my head. i have 3 more treatments of herceptin and i am so scared to let go.
Thanks ladies for your posts.
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my onc told me to be sure to see a pyschiatrist because most of his patients struggle after treatment. My first post treatment follow up was 3 months and i assumed it would be every 3 months for a while but my second visit will be in 6 months so although i was puzzled by that it also made me feel that i have a longer time before worrying again so it made me feel healthier.
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Wrenn - I think because you had no positive nodes and you are only a Stage 1, you are not followed every 3 months for the first two years like most of us Stage 3's are. Am sure each doc sees it differently.
Diane - I had the same onco score of 11, but after surgery the tumor was grades 1-3 and the SNB had 4 nodes pos. So that pretty much cancelled the low recurrence score. What were the stats of your sister-in-law's BC? It's great to see she is doing well !
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i was told I am very high risk of recurrence so many times I lost count.......i get scared sometimes but then I think I had cancer in me for years before diagnosis and didn't know it and many people could be wandering around with illnesses and not know it.
All I can do is eat as healthily as possible, watch my weight, take natural supplements and the hated AI and exercise. I now let myself enjoy wine, beer etc rather than letting fear of recurrence dominate everything.........i can only focus on what i can do.......there are no guarantees for any of us.....it is a truly crap shoot
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Shelly - don't know the stats with sister n law except she had radiation - 2x a day for a week(mammocite), a lumpectomy and took Tamoxifen for 5 years. Her mother had BC as did mine. My sister has ILC. She didn't have chemo or Rads. She does take Arimidex. Diane
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I just had my exchange surgery yesterday and today I am sitting here a crying mess.
Some days it is so hard to be strong when you are staring down the barrel of a stage 3c diagnosis.
I want to be strong for my kids but today it all feels so hopeless.
I beat myself up if I'm not being proactive well being proactive is exhausting.
The doctors wouldn't even give me an oncotest! But I'm grade 1 stage 3c. How freaking hard would it have been for them to give me an oncotest? They said they didn't need to because they were just going to throw everything at me. But I needed it.
And now I've got these stupid new boobs and new scars to go with them and who knows what is next?!
I don't even get what the point of all this is anymore.
I hate all of this.
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edwards - you probably weren't told you were high risk because you are stage 2 Everyone else posting on this thread ( a stage 3 thread) is stage 3 and therefore the future can be dicey. I don't know anyway who is stage 3 who isnt at an increased risk of recurrence those first 5 or so years.
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I am stage 3 and have never been told that I am at high risk for recurrence. I know what my odds are, I also know that many of those at lower stages than I am have about the same risk. I hope for all of us that we find a way to live our lives without this being a constant fear, hard I know, but what a waste if we don't.
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