2014 Running Thread
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Groovygirls - congrats on doing Boston!
Goldlining - hope you continue on your speedy recovery. I did a cross training work out for you this morning with lots of core work!
Sandpiper - that was a great article, speed is relative to the people around you, I was surprised to read that a person with a 13 minute 5k could consider themselves slow. Reading that really helped put things into perspective.
I'll admit that I love passing people in the later part of a race, especially in the last kilometre of a race
it's my competitive nature coming out.
I have a question for all of you, anyone one here diagnosed with lymphedema? I'm developing very mild lymphedema in my upper arm and armpit according to my PT (she's a certified lymphedema therapist as well) and was wondering if you are doing anything specific to keep it at bay when you run. I'll be getting a sleeve once my doc signs off on paperwork for insurance purposes but I want to keep ahead of it. Any advice/info/tips you have would be great.
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I have arm and truncal LE. I used to run with my compression sleeve and gauntlet, but over the years I've gotten pretty good about managing the arm LE, and I've mostly pushed it back from Stage I to Stage 0 LE. So I don't wear my compression sleeve and gauntlet for most runs. However, I did wear it when I was doing longer runs (8 miles+) training for my half last year, and I wore it while running the half.
My truncal LE is another story - any run over an hour or so tends to aggravate it. I'm the only person I know who could gain weight training for a half - I gained about 3 pounds, but it was all truncal LE fluid. By the end of the half, my belly was so swollen I looked like I'd already downed several post race beers! I should wear truncal compression, like UnderArmour compression shirts, under my running shirts, but the heat bothers me so much already that I can't imagine wearing another layer so close to my skin. So, I have to do a lot more work to keep my truncal LE under control when I'm doing a lot of running, especially when the weather is warm. Some things that have helped are to wear looser pants - tight pants tend to keep fluid from draining down to the inguinal nodes (located in the fold where the leg meets the trunk); doing Lebed exercises daily; wearing my Tribute nightvest; and running my Flexitouch pump. I also wear truncal compression garments under my regular clothes most days when my truncal LE is flaring. Finally, I self-pay for a monthly 90-minute MLD session with a certified LE massage therapist to help move excess fluid out of my trunk.
Make sure you're fitted for a glove or gauntlet when you get your sleeve - a compression sleeve should never be worn by itself as that can tend to push fluid into the hand, and hand LE is really tricky to deal with once it develops. You may also find you need a different running bra - some of them tend to cut close to the armpit, and that could impair lymphatic drainage out of the arm. Try to keep your arms at least at a 90 degree angle when you run - if they're any straighter, the centrifugal force you create by swinging your hands tends to push fluid down the arm. During your runs, periodically lift your arm above your head and pump your fist gently to help move the fluid through, especially if you notice any signs of finger, hand or arm swelling, or if the arm starts to feel heavy. Keep well-hydrated and take periodic deep abdominal breaths to facilitate lymphatic drainage. It's good you have a LE therapist who can work with you and monitor the arm.
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Nice advice on the LE. Glad you all liked the article.I needed a gentle and kind reminder that I am running to run. If not for the pleasure just to know I can accomplish something/anything! I, like you Nat, have settled in on the 12 -1230 min/mile. I have done faster ones, again, that would involve downhill action (I did a 9+min/mile during last years 10K, but rounded it out with lot's of other varied times)
Of course I am a novice runner and do not plan to really take my running to any new heights. I just do it! It was something I had never liked or been able to do in my younger years. I have always liked my walking. I am astounded that I could do several 5ks and a 10K last year after only months of training.
I am again surprised that I can run more than a mile after such a long hard winter-even more amazing is me running on the treadmill for more than a minute let alone doing over 25 min yesterday. I have never run on a treadmill for any length of time until this winter.
I am getting ready and confident to begin signing up for some local runs. It really is all I want to do. They are short and fun and yes, last year I passed people who were less than half my age and had people 10-20 years older passing me. I am just happy to be moving and even happier to see people of all levels doing the local runs (even walking them).
I am having fun being out there in whatever way I can. I will never be fast, but I am determined and so far, despite my "self perceived slow pace" I haven't been last in any race or my age group. Now that is an accomplishment for me!
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Sand - you and I are on the same wavelength! Like you I've never finished dead last or even last in my age group, so I'll take that as a victory. And even if I did finish dead last, I'd still beat everyone who never got off the couch that morning.
Like the old saying goes:
DLF > DNF > DNS
(Dead Last Finish beats Did Not Finish beats Did Not Start)
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My very first 5K, about 5 weeks into running, I ran 4K of it and had to walk the last 1K. As I rolled in to the finish line at 39 minutes, the last two participants of the 5K run came in as I was drinking my water and eating my banana. They had dogs with them and had walked the whole thing. Turns out they had signed up for the 5K run by mistake, had intended to sign up for the 5K walk! (I don't know why there were different categories anyway.) So, their error saved me from being dead last. I didn't care - point of pride. Last but I did it.
(And those DLF > DNF > DNS shirts are always in front of me at every Disney run. I don't know HOW they do it! Definitely a cup and a half of can-do in whatever they eat for breakfast!)
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thanks Natsfan, that was great info. I will be fitted for a glove or gauntlet when I go for my sleeve and probably for a tank/bra as well since the lymphedema is in my upper arm, armpit and possibly in my chest near my armpit. It's very mild right now and I want to keep it that way
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Hi all, Just found this thread and here's my story. I used to run 2-5 miles about 3 times/wk. Really got away from it this winter, it was too icey and cold and I hate the treadmill. My hubby and I went to Fla last month and I got to run a few times then. I've done several 5k's a few 10 k's a couple mud runs, couple 10 milers and 1 half marathon. Anyway, on Valentine's Day this year I was dx with ILC, long story short, I had my first chemo 13 days ago, looking at lumpectomy end of July, then rads x/6 wks.
Anyway, I'm feeling fine, had side effects only first 8 days and tonight I'm so blue. So I'm thinking I'll call the Onc tomorrow for an anti-depressant, which I may still do, but it hits me... I need to get out there and run!! Supposed to be high 40's tomorrow, excuses are gone. So then I saw this thread and here I am. So tomorrow I'm lacing up my running shoes and gonna take advantage of the next 6 days before next round of chemo... Thanks ladies for the motivation....
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Welcome Genny and good for you! I did some running during chemo and although I couldn't do my usual distance, it leant some normalcy to life and helped me feel like I could carry on and the cancer was not in charge of my life. I wish you well on this journey that none of us chose. I like to think that as runners, we can cope with challenges better than anyone else!
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Welcome Genny! I don't post here often but wanted to say I was doing really well Jan and Feb this year working out 3 days a week and building up my running the other days. Now I've been hit with self-diagnosed plantar fasciitis (as well as a lasting bout of daily fatigue), dammit! Haven't worked out much at all for all of March. I'm doing some of the stretching therapies I found online (towel stretch, big toe stretch, stairstep stretches, roll a tennis ball under the arch, etc) and will stop in at the local Tru-fit specialty shoe place soon and see if an affordable pair of inserts would work with some of my dress shoes. I also remember seeing on one of these threads mention of a flip-flop brand that has good arch support but can't remember the name. Can anyone help me with that?
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Welcome Genny5775 to the happiest thread on BCO! Looking forward to reading your runs!
sweetandspecial, the FitFlop has good support, but I prefer Mephisto. I had FitFlops and found them fantastic for support, but the hard foam rubber platform eventually softens and that is how I ended up with a stress fracture in my toe! The toe joint was depressing into the foam too far and my ultra-flexible joints did not resist, and so the toe developed the fracture, and I ended up in a walking boot cast for 2 months. I think the FF would be fine if you tossed them after one season, rather than keeping them because they still look good. I really paid for it.
My favourite Mephisto sandal is Helen, and I buy Japanese tabi socks with the separate big toe when I go to Epcot Japan pavilion (I go to actual Japan much less!) so I can wear these sandals with the socks in spring and fall as well. I wore them every day, indoors and out, while I had the plantar fasciitis. I pay much more attention to having shoes where the sole does not twist longitudinally, as that was what the foot person said to avoid.
Now, I wear Alegria shoes for EVERYTHING except when I need super-dress-up or steel-toe shoes. Because the sizing is consistent, now that I know my size, I can order online (which is not at all common with my size of feet). I have both slip on clog-style, maryjane style, and sandals. They have removable footbeds so that if you DO have an orthotic, you can swap out the standard, very supportive insole and use your custom orthotic. I just love them. They do look a little bit kooky (I am wearing the red patent leather clogs today, and sitting in McDonald's I probably look a little like the mascot, especially since I also have red hair). But I love them.
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Haven't posted here in awhile, but just read the article Piper posted, and really appreciate it. As a beginning runner who's only worked up to one slow mile, one of the most helpful excerpts was:
"...regardless
of your pace, you’re doing better than almost 80 percent of Americans.
In a study conducted by the CDC, researchers found that less than 20
percent of Americans get the recommended levels of exercise, and more
than a quarter of U.S. adults do not devote any time to physical
activity."One of my primary goals is just not to go back to that 80 percent!
Last time I posted, I was having trouble finding the right running bra. I finally found it. It wouldn't work for everyone, because it's not pretty and I suppose it does give the uni-boob effect, but it's industrial strength and that's what I needed. I wanted something that provided maximum immobility and wasn't too hard to get on with my bad shoulder. It's not quick to put on, since it fastens in front with 10 hooks & eyes, but it I can put it on without hurting my shoulder and it immobilizes the girls more than anything else I've tried. It's the Enell Sport bra, which is sort of like a chest corset
I found a running store locally that carries it, so I was able to try it on before buying, instead of ordering online.
I finally figured out that I'm a 34 DD, after years of wearing all my bras with too large a band size and too small a cup size. I needed a size 1 in the Enell.
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I DID it - I put on my gear and laced up my shoes and RAN around the block!! That was last Thursday, one week out from my first AC treatment and six weeks from my BMX with TEs. It was hard - and sent me into a major teary breakdown once I got home (my poor husband didn't know what to do with me!). I walked the next day and then on Saturday, I DID IT AGAIN, and this time I didn't cry, and I made it to a few hundred feet further before having to stop. Yesterday it rained all day, which usually doesn't stop me, but hey, I have cancer, I get a pass... today I have two walking dates with friends. So I will lace up again tomorrow and see how it goes.
I wonder if I will be able to keep this up through treatment. I realize that I have only had one AC so far.... I am not going to beat myself up, but it sure felt good to have "pain" from something as familiar and regular as a RUN!
(fyi - I am typically a very slow, very, very slow runner....I'm not hard core at all, but I do run consistently...more for what it does for my head. I'm not winning any races, but, I'm a runner!)
Have a great day!
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Genny - That's the spirit! We are here for you
Jenny -YOU ROCK! I have done 30/33 rads treatments and have been able to keep training for my 4/29 half marathon. It hasn't been easy, but it has been necessary for me. I know exactly what you mean about pain from something familiar and regular as a run. Do what you can, when you can. We are here for you
I ran on the treadmill for 2 miles Tues, 6 miles Wed, and 2 miles on Fri. Then I did my 10 mile run outside Sat morning before the rain came. Still on track for my half marathon. I am also looking forward to the Jamestown 10k this Sunday. I am so glad I feel well enough to take it on!
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Genny - welcome, any running you can get in during chemo is wonderful. I found that any movement helped with the body aches and with my mental state.
Jenwith4kids - yay on getting out for a run!
I ran the Around the Bay race in Hamilton, Ontario as part of a three person relay team this weekend. It's a 30k race and with the relay you end up doing about 10k each. My girlfriends and I make it a girls weekend at the same time, we go as part of an organized group. We got on a bus Saturday morning and came back Sunday after the race. I did the second leg of the relay and ended up running just a little over 9k due to where the relay exchange points were. It was flat and straight for the first 7k and then the rolling hills started. I ran my leg in 1:01:49 which I was pretty happy with. Our team's overall time was 3:49:32. Overall it was a great weekend and I'm still catching up on sleep
I now have my compression sleeve and will be trying it out on a run later today. Not too keen on the colour (medical grade beige as I call it) but I'll make sure to pre order my next one so I can get a nicer colour. Yes, I want it to match and go with my running gear
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lovestorun - I was taking a look to see who was running what races and noticed you had me down for the Chilly half on March 2, I believe Rdrunner ran that race. I want to make sure credit goes where credit is due Can you put me down for the Army Run half on September 21, please? This will most likely be my first half marathon since diagnosis. I may find another half to run before then though.
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Hi lovestorun. I am going to run the Jamestown 10K in Rhode Island on 4/6
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HA! The 20%! Resonated with me as well. And as I look around, listen to people complaining about the why nots and cannots....I always think...."I am doing something!" Be it fast or slow.
So yesterday I parked in town and walked to the ball park. I was cruising past people left and right.
I forgot to put on the pedometer.
'Today I went for a quick 2 mile walk, felt slower than yesterday, but still had a little kick to my stride....... my first mile was 14min and some odd seconds and my second mile was 13:50. @ years ago I was able to walk a 12 minute mile on rare occasions. I have to remind myself it isn't about the times it is about my moving. But I do like to track my progress on occasion too.
Nice reports from everyone and healing wishes to those in active tx. You ladies Rock.
xoxoxoxo
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Ohmygoodness thank you for pointing this out oncearunner, and my apologies rdrunner! Welcome new folks too!
Stillrunningnlm, sounds like you are in the home stretch for radiation - woo-hoo! Don't go too crazy with the celebration - I drew stars all over my torso to give the techs a laugh and to celebrate, and then when I tried to wash it off later, my stomach was a lovely shade of greenish bluish purple for quite a while. Oops.
And yes, I am with Piper- wonderful reports all, and good thoughts to those of you in active treatment or just coming out of it.
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yep it was me that did the chilly half march 2. Did the Around the Bay 30km on Sunday Mar 30, what a time, great fun huge crowds of supporters on the course and the weather gods smiled down on us. Went well although finished slower then i wanted. The lift bridge we ran over at the half way point had these steel nobley thingys.. they triggered major foot pain neuropathy left from chemo i guess. Anyway had a great time, finished in 2.44.57 was aiming for under 2.30 and was on track until the foot thing.. oh well a goal for next year.
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kayb.. running is running, slow fast and everything in between lol.. still get the benefit. One thing i love about running most people can do it
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Check out Jeff Galloway-he's the guru for run/walking. That's how I do my half marathons, and I very much consider myself a runner. I'm a big advocate of it. It's much easier on your body overall, and some have found it helps improve their time. If you think about how some people push too hard at the beginning, then run out of steam, the whole run/walk thing keeps you going at a consistent rate.
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I want to thank you all for keeping me inspired. If you ask me, we are all amazing!
I enjoyed a nice 5 mile run in almost 60 degree, sunny weather yesterday. It felt great to be out there and be moving on such a beautiful day. I just hope the weather holds for the Jamestown 10K on Sunday
Oh, I almost forgot (lol). I had my last rads treatment this morning. Yippee!!!!!!!!! I am wearing my new running shirt to celebrate
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I'm new to this thread and I've never ever been a runner, but I'm just curious as to the age range of ladies that are running! If I even attempt to run, everything shakes like jello! I just can't make myself do it - I used to be a walker, but since treatment, can't even make myself do that! I'm not by any means a self motivator and since I work full time, it's hard to go to a gym where there are others around!
Maybe reading here will jump start my motivation, who knows!
Anyway, I'll turn 50 this year, not in terrible shape, but definitely not in good shape!
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Welcome Nettie!!! I turned 40 in October. I just finished rads and will go back on Tamoxifen for the remainder of my 5 years. I have been involved in sports (soccer, track, etc.) for most of my life. I have stuck with running because it burns the highest number of calories. I am only 4'10" and I have been fighting my Italian genes for most of my life. Running allows to me to still eat and enjoy most foods, as long as I don't go overboard. I had committed to running a half marathon on 2/27/14 before my 12/27/13 diagnosis. I have been determined to reach that goal despite my treatment. Working toward has helped me deal with the stress and fatigue. It has also been a mental retreat from "cancer" because I am able to focus on the normal physical feelings that come with running. It really isn't about how far or fast you move, it is about moving. Enjoy the journey
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Nettie - welcome and no excuses! You're a young pup at 49 - I have almost 10 years on you! I'm 58, and didn't start running until I was 55, 3 years after dx. And yep, I've definitely got that jello thing going!
I also was a walker, and got into running almost by accident. One day it was raining and I didn't have an umbrella, so I ran from my office building to my car. I didn't kill myself doing it, and thought it might be fun to see if I could run a bit more. I did a lot of walking in my neighborhood, which is a standard suburban neighborhood with sidewalks bisected by driveways. I started running from one driveway to the next, then walking from one driveway to two driveways past that, then running from one driveway to the next, then walking for two, and doing that over and over. Gradually I went to running for two and walking for two, then running for two and walking for one, and so on. After a time (probably a month or two) I was able to run a mile! Then a co-worker was dx with Stage IV ovarian cancer, and put together a team for the local ovarian cancer 5K run and walk. I was going to do the walk par tof the event, then decided it was a great goal to try to run the 5K. So I kept increasing my distances and trained for the race. And on race day, I did it - damn near collapsed as I crossed the finish line, but I did it. I'm still slower than heck, but who cares? I'm enjoying myself thoroughly.
If you're interested in running, why not try it? Start slowly and work up gradually. You could start by running for 20 seconds or so a few times during your normal walk. Gradually increase that time and see how it goes! It may turn out that running is not your cup of tea, but you won't be wondering anymore if running is right for you.
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Welcome Nettie. I am 46. I got my start running through a local training program for a 4-mile race. Running didn't "stick" , and I didn't take up running in earnest until a few years later, the year I turned 40 and wanted to run a 10 miler to celebrate. The race was hot and miserable and I was bound and determined to return the following year and do better. And I got hooked. .
My unsolicited advice is to build up slowly. There are many run/walk training programs out there to get you started. You could focus on minutes not miles too, and that goes for walking or running. As for the gym, I don't know where you belong but at mine people don't get a rat's patootie what other people working out look like. Really. Yes there are skinny minnies. And yes there are big burly guys that lift an extraordinary amount of weight. But for the most part, we are regular people just doing our thing. Jiggly thighs, wobbly knees, flappy arms and all. So I say, give it a shot - do your own thing, hold your head up high, and be proud of the progress you are making.
I read an article earlier today -- this stuck with me (I had to re-google it to get the exact quote):"Success is whatever is extraordinary for you. Whether it’s getting off the couch and running your first 10K, or a marathon, or finishing a 15-miler, you define your successes and accomplishments."
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Thanks for the encouragement, maybe soon I'll get started! We shall see!
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congrats on being done radiation Stillrunning, not having daily appointments will free up time for more runs
Welcome Nettie, the ladies have given you great advice, start slow and work up gradually. Sometimes having a little bit of music or a podcast when running helps with motivation. Just make sure you can still hear the world around you for your safety. I only run with one ear bud in and a very low volume, and I only run with music when I know the area I'm running in and know that I'm safe. By the way, I'm 31 but I didn't start running until I was in my mid 20's.
Today was the first day that I ran outside without a hat! I'm sure it helps that my head is mostly covered with hair again, but it was that warm outside, yay!
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Nettie - if you want some support and inspiration for any kind of exercise program, check out the Let's Post Our Daily Exercise thread as well as this running thread. The Exercise thread has all kinds of women in all kinds of shapes and at all stages of treatment. Some are still in active treatment, where a slow walk to the corner and back is a victory. Other women have been out of treatment for years and are quite active. People do all kinds of exercises - one of the regulars is a walker - she started walking after treatment was done in 2009 and started using a pedometer and has now walked over 4,000 miles! Another women does exercise DVDs at home. One woman does a lot of bicycling, and one woman does a lot of hooping, one takes classes at her local gym, and others of us do a mix of things. It's like this running thread - great women supporting each other, no matter what our level of fitness.
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I'm going to try to start something but it won't be today..got the dang sinus crud and it sounds like I'm might cough up a lung.
But soon..and I'll try to post when I do
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