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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2014

    Musical, here is a famous recipe for no-knead bread: http://www.steamykitchen.com/168-no-knead-bread-revisited.html

    My brother used to do the exact same thing, except he didn't bother with the whole dishtowel and baking in a pot business. After the overnight rise, he stirred the dough and dumped it in a pan coated in olive oil and dusted with cornmeal, let it rise the second time and baked it. You can do it in a large pan and it will come out like focaccia, especially if you brush the top with olive oil and sprinkle salt and rosemary on it before baking.

    Another option, which I have used, is to drop large spoonfuls of the dough on a oiled and dusted cookie sheet, rise, bake and you have rolls.

    Also, anytime a recipe tells you to use "bread flour" you can substitute whole wheat or spelt and you can usually replace some of the wheat flour (about 25%) with rye. You can also add a handful of bran, seeds, nuts etc.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Momine STOP IT! youre making me hungry lol, and Ive just finished my brekky . ....seriously, thanks. You are obviously very wised up on the finer points of cooking.

    Me? I've got zero finesse with bread. Im used to the basic good old farm tucker cooking of old, where they called it a good square meal.  Meat veges etc. As far as bread goes, when I was a kid mum used to send us down to the bakery and even in those days our little country town was renown far and wide for its utterly delicious bread. The smells coming out of that place were YUM. Lol sometimes we'd start on the bread before we got home. The day it closed down was a VERY sad day.  

    Oh that link, thanks for that. Lovely story with her boy. Now Ive got to look what Ive got to see if I can use it. Looked in a hardware store the other day and I was astounded at the nonstick section. All the surfaces felt like they had something untrustworthy in their manufacturing and there was heaps of it.

     Few questions...

    What is focaccia?

    OK (sorry to sound dumb) when you say a large pan, and baking in it, I take it it is one you put in an oven? In other words baking is something you cant do in a frypan or pan on an element atop your stove? 

    If I could get organic lighter than wholemeal flour, I could sure use it. I really enjoy a chewy crust but Hubby cant eat things like that especially with nutshells. Currently all the flour I use is organic wholewheat flour.I used to love doing fritters but I find the wholewheat flour goes too heavy. 

    What is the difference between sourdough and ordinary bread?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    juneping that about sounds right these days. There's so many things one can shake their head at. When I get time I'll look on youtube to see if that doco is there.

  • Mommyathome
    Mommyathome Member Posts: 1,111
    edited March 2014

    Question,

    So when buying pots and pans as long as it states BPA and PFOA are they safe even if they are non stick??

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Mommy I wouldn't call BPA or PFOA safe in any event. Since I didn't know what PFOA was I did a quick search and look. 

    http://www.epa.gov/oppt/pfoa/pubs/faq.html

    Excerpt:

    Is there a risk assessment on PFOA?

    To ensure that the most rigorous science is used in the Agency's ongoing
    evaluation of PFOA, OPPT submitted in 2005 a draft risk assessment for
    formal peer review by the Agency's Science Advisory Board (SAB). That
    draft was preliminary and did not provide conclusions regarding
    potential levels of concern. The SAB reviewed the information that was
    available at the time, and suggested that the PFOA cancer data are
    consistent with the EPA guidelines descriptor "likely to be carcinogenic
    to humans." Since their review, additional research has been conducted
    pertaining to the carcinogenicity of PFOA. EPA is still in the process
    of evaluating this information, and has not made any definitive
    conclusions at this time. Read more on the PFOA Risk Assessment
    available here.

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    Mommy, I think you just left out "free" after the BPA and PFOA. That's a good question you raise. Personally, I think the safest bet is to just go stainless steel or 100% ceramic. It's hard to know what the replacement chemicals they came up with for nonstick will do. I was reading about how BPA has been replaced with BPS in some products, but that has some of the same estrogenic effects! 

    I recently ran across this website, that lists some good cookware choices. It mentions the earthenware baking dishes that SelenaWolf brought up, too. http://www.rebeccawood.com/health/healthy-cookwar...

  • Mommyathome
    Mommyathome Member Posts: 1,111
    edited March 2014

    Yes Fallleaves sorry I meant BPA and PFOA safe. I saw a pot and pan set at Target that states BPA, PFOA, lead etc safe. But underneath that it also says safe non stick.... How do you actually know that it is safe???? Gosh, these companies should really be monitored and held accountable for jeopardizing people's health for a dollar!!! It's so frustrating that you have to be on the look out when purchasing anything!!! 

    What are you doing instead of water bottles? I usually buy cases of Poland spring water bottles now I'm wondering if that's safe... The bottles are plastic!! 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    mommyathome - the chemicals of non stick can leak into your food. use stainless steel and/or ceramic. i don't know how savvy you cook, i am easy. i only use two sauce pans...i know some ppl have a ton like my friend.

    buy a filter and the poland spring water is actually municipal water which is the same as your tap water and it's not filtered.

    there's a substance called atrazine which can turn a male frog into female and lay eggs.

    http://www.ewg.org/research/ewgs-water-week/toxic-...

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    musical - it's on netflix available for streaming

  • Mommyathome
    Mommyathome Member Posts: 1,111
    edited March 2014

    Juneping,

    My husband does 95 percent if the cooking. We aren't fancy about it... Sauce pan, frying pan, large pot... That'll pretty much do any dish! Lol

    Are there any downfalls with stainless steel? Either with chemicals or cleaning after use? I obviously want something healthy but also practical. It won't do me any good if it gets ruined after the first use. 

    Any suggestions for containers for kids to bring water to school if not in a plastic bottle?

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    mommyathome - for stainless steel, the iron could leak into your food. which is not the end of the world. at least it's not carcinogen. ceramic is a better choice, if you google wellness mama, she  is a health conscious blogger...i read her blog to get info sometimes. 

    http://wellnessmama.com/5148/what-are-the-safest-c...

    http://wellnessmama.com/2379/review-xtrema/

    i bought a stainless steel bottle to carry water with me.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2014

    Musical, by "pan" I mean any tin that can go in the oven. If I want to make a focaccia-type bread, I put the dough in a roasting pan. You can also bake bread in cast iron frying pans to very good effect. 

    Normally you rise bread with yeast. You can also do it with sourdough. Sourdough is the original way of leavening bread, and it is basically taking a slurry of water and flour and making it ferment. Once it ferments you use it to ferment your dough, and thus rise it. Sourdough is not as "effective" as yeast, so sourdough bread usually has to rise several times and for a long time.

    Focaccia recipe:

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Momine, thanks for your input. Im sure there was "something" about yeast (maybe the type???)  but Ive long forgotten what and will have to revisit that subject.

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    Glyphosate (Roundup weedkiller) induces human breast cancer cells growth via estrogen receptors.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23756170

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Aw Falll don't start me on Roundup  ..... or more to the point, that giant monopoly that is Monsanto. Other than all those isotopes Fukushima is spewing DAILY into the ocean and sending its toxic plumes right round the Northern Hemisphere and now the Southern as well, roundup is one of the most evil substances there is. As is typical the PTB (powers that be) back in the day they gave it a glowing report but when you see the data sheets its NOT a glowing report. 

    Quote excerpt from your link

    ..... Glyphosate-based herbicides are widely used for soybean cultivation, and
    our results also found that there was an additive estrogenic effect
    between glyphosate and genistein, a phytoestrogen in soybeans.

    Surprise surprise NOT! 


  • JulieMI
    JulieMI Member Posts: 34
    edited March 2014

    hi, 

    I am a nail polish lover.  Is it ok to do your nails once a week?

    Thanks.

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    Yeah, Monsanto just spent a boat-load of money to defeat an initiative in Washington state that would have required GMO foods to be labeled. God forbid consumers be given full disclosure and be allowed to make informed decisions! Definitely not a fan of Monsanto either.... 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014
    Julie that depends on what the chemicals are in it and whether you want to risk breathing them in. I always knew polish remover as a very potent brew to say the least. Ive long since got rid of that stuff. Dont know if theyve got better options these days but I wouldn't hold my breath. As always its up to you, but look at the label.
  • Tomatoman
    Tomatoman Member Posts: 12
    edited March 2014

    I'd be interested in the eye makeps, mascaras, lip sticks and foundations.  I have flund a relatively inexpensive hand lotion from Swanson's on-line vitamins.  Their label.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    julie - i've read all nail polish are not good. can't recall what's in it...and i've given up on nail polish.

    tomato - a few labels have good ratings on ewg.org...

    sally B's yummies 

    Josie Maran

    the funny thing was i thought jurlique was very natural and all blah blah...and their ratings were pretty bad.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2014

    the wonderful paper towels I've used simply forever I learned while ago contain plastic.  good firestrters too

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Funny you should say about paper containing plastics. Very recently I've been reading some articles that said just that. I shouldn't be surprised but I was!  

    As my search for suitable stainless steel/"hardened glass containers continues, seems you have to find out whats in EVERYTHING including the lids or part thereof. What are your thoughts on 1/ rubber "seals" for lids, 2/ silicone  and 3/polypropylene #5 plastic as below ?

    Ecotanka drink bottles The lids are made from stainless steel and/or polypropylene #5 plastic.
    All bottles and lids are non-leaching, non-toxic and 100% BPA free!

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    Yet another study on how parabens affect breast cancer.

    "This is the first report that in vitro, parabens can influence not only proliferation but also migratory and invasive properties of human breast cancer cells."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24652746

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Falll so many toxic things around us. It's like a full time job circumnavigating all this. 

    Still looking into grain-mills, cookware, and of course SS and its all really got me interested, of course getting sidetracked along the way with other interesting stuff.

  • BikerLee
    BikerLee Member Posts: 355
    edited March 2014

    I have a few thoughts to offer.... I'm fairly knowledgeable in this area because I teach a green chemistry class. In fact, a major activity I have my students do is an analysis of daily products.  I have students now searching for altneratives to their shower washes, their deodorants, their shower washes, contact lens solutions, and more. This myth that ingredients in products must be safe since they are in readily available products is imply not true.  Molecules KNOWN to be toxic are regularly included in consumer products that are used on a daily basis.

    1 - we have also gotten rid of a bunch of plastic from our home...  food storage... and other products too.  But it sure is hard to get away from!  Pyrex storage containers are our new fave...  

    2 - NONSTICK - toss it to the curb!!!!!  We LOVE our cast iron skillet - it's fantastic... We also use stainless steel....  Our microwave broke, so we're no longer doing that quick-heat approach to food, which probably is a good thing as it means we're more mindful about what we're eating...  After the first month or so, we got used to it.  It's a pain for bedtime snack (homemade oatmeal - we cook a 3-day batch and reheat on the stove)... but otherwise, we barely miss it.

    3 - I eliminated shampoo and conditioner.  Yup - don't use either one.  Sound shocking?  Well, after thinking about the plastic bottles... and the common ingredients, even though we were using hippee shampoo, we transitioned over to bar shampoo, which didn't work so well for me. I ended up with white flakes, and that was annoying. NOW - I use baking soda followed by a dilute vinegar mix.  Skeptical? I sure was, but I can tell you my hair is more fabulous than it ever was on shampoo - with or without conditioner.  It takes some getting used to, but I only wash my hair twice a week now, and it's much much nicer... More manageable... Softer... And it even lightened a bit - apparently, the sulfate based shampoos cause hair to darken - never knew that.  ANYWAY - long story short - easy way to get rid of a daily exposure to plastic contained products that often contain a long list of crazy ingredients like parabens and related.  PLUS - it's super cheap.  YES - it takes like a month or so to get it right and to transition... BUT - I've been doing it since January... and the only time my hair got funky?  I got sick on day three after my last hair washing... and didn't hair wash until day 5... and my hair was a little funky...  Baking soda / vinegar protocol returned me back to bouncy happy hair...  BAM.

    4 - we went to bar body soap - hippie style. It comes wrapped in a wax paper... It smells super good (and you can get unscented)... and it lasts a long long time... You don't need much at all... And my skin is better than it ever was on bottled shower wash....  That eliminates another plastic bottle and a whole boat load of chemicals. It's also cheaper since the bar lasts a whole lot longer than the shower wash bottle... AND I feel better from an environmental standpoint... Most of the shower wash is actually water!

    5 - fragrance - if your product is labeled with "fragrance" or "musk" - kick it to the curb....  Companies don't have to identify those molecules, and many (not all) are problematic from an endocrine disruption perspective, among other things.  

    6 - what else... Well, there's a website put together by the environmental working group (google that), and they have darn credible information on a wide range of ingredients.  Check it out if you have time.  Do I think they are right on target?  Well - mostly. I don't agree with everything in there... but I do think it's a great resource for people to use in order to help identify products to seek out and products to kick out.

    7 - stainless steel bottles for water forever!!!! Yes yes yes!  I have three different sizes - the little 12 ounce size, which makes it easy to stash in a small bag or whatever...  to the giant 24 ounce size...  PLUS - I - ahem - have this little hip flask for toting around certain types of beverages.  The great thing about a hip flask - no matter what you put in it - you can put it into a POCKET rather easily!!!!  nice shape - kind of flat... awesome.  Uhm - my kind of never contains water, though...  

    8 - cosmetics - I don't wear makeup, but I know a lot about it...  One statistic I read recently was that more than half of red lipsticks contain LEAD!  LEAD!!!!  LEAD!!!!!!!!!  My thinking on cosmetics - especially anything that goes onto my lips ( I do use lip balm)....?  I should be able to EAT IT.  Those molecule based sunscreens? There are a few that are not so good.  One that jumps immediately to mind is OXYBENZONE - this molecule is used as a sunscreen.  Why do people like this type of sunscreen? Cuz you can't see it when you apply it. So, you don't turn white.  However, this molecule is a suspected endocrine disruptor, and when it is in a lip balm, you'll essentially be eating it.  It makes up SEVERAL PERCENT of a lip balm.....  Which lead me to quantify how much lip balm does a person apply in one application... It's around 10 mg.  So, that means something like one-half mg is consumed with eat application... If you're a person who applies multiple times per day, you could be essentially eating a few mg of this stuff every day!  Add that up - after a winter of chapped lips, you may have consumed 1-2 g of this stuff....  That's starting to add up, in my book.

    This is a great thread, and I think it's cool that someone started it up....

    I did kind of write a book - with about eight chapters.

    Hope no one minds.

    Good luck! These are good questions to be asking, I think!

    PS - few other things - oil instead of lotion (takes very little - cheaper), no dairy, organic foods when possible and practical, no bottled water...  Probably a few more plastic minimizing things... but those are some of the big ones not listed above.

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    I know I shouldn't let it piss me off, but every time I see one of these studies linking chemicals to BC, (and other cancers, and brain chemistry problems in children), I wonder, "WTF is the FDA doing???" You're smart to focus on the things you can control, Musical. 

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    Hey, thanks for all the great tips, BikerLee! Very helpful. That's really awesome that you wrote a book on this subject. Did you publish it? (Because I'd buy it)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Biker, thanks a lot for your "8 chapters" lol.  Very informative so I dont mind at all. I agree with what youve listed,  except I do have dairy. BTW, I'd love to add, we can include margarine as its only one molecule away from being plastic anyway. 

    Baking soda is wonderful stuff, cheap, and I use it for a lot of things. Youre so right. Plastic is really hard to ditch. My microwave just sits there. I never really did like it, and bought it very late in the piece. No trouble to ditch it. 

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited March 2014

    Ha, that "book" comment went right over my head! So BikerLee, what kind of soap do you use? I've been buying the Kirk's castile soap recently, and I like it. I think you are right about avoiding any fragrances. When I was looking at items on the Environmental Working Group database, it seemed like whenever there was a shampoo or lotion that was unscented vs. a scented one of the same brand, it scored lower (less toxic). 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited March 2014

    about skin care, i use one of those mud powder from india which is all natural. 10 bucks for a huge jar and mix it with apple vinegar. it's cheap and powerful for cleansing. 

    and i also learned you could use honey + yogurt (plain) + lemon as mask as well, it is very moisturizing. i drink lemon juice every morning when i squeeze lemon, my fingers were always so smooth when they touched the lemon juice. when i finish the mask (since i paid for it already) i'll def do this DIY mask.

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