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  • Tekyry03
    Tekyry03 Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2014

    CTL2014  i am looking at having DIEP too and CMC - cosmetic and plastic surgery / Levine cancer centre in Charlotte NC would be my closest location.

    I would love to hear from anyone who has had DIEP there too..............

  • Rosebud14
    Rosebud14 Member Posts: 18
    edited March 2014

    nihahi, I think you are right about my skin being hypersensitive. Just taking a deep breath would set it off. When I apply creme or oil the nerve pain subsides somewhat.   I found that taking a warm shower also helped to calm things down. Thanks for the advice about Vit E oil, I wasn't aware that it is contraindicated.

    For those of you who have not had your surgery yet, I will mention my 10 inch wedge cushion I bought on Amazon was perfect for elevating me for sleeping. After spending most of the day in a recliner it was nice to be able sleep in bed.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2014

    Rosebud....don't sell yourself short on what you've been through surgically....there likely is still an element of pain with things like deep breaths as that stretches things out a bit. The vit E is contraindicated, per se, but over use of it is in concentrated form. At this stage.....you're probably doing just fine with any neutral, good moisturizing product, and massaging it in is what gives multiple benefits to its use. Hope things keep feeling better for you...!

  • J1971
    J1971 Member Posts: 18
    edited March 2014

    For post-surgery....I had a couple down shirts and bought one shirt on-line to hold the drains. A lifesaver those first couple of weeks now I am back into my soft T-shirts. I wore elastic PJs bottoms at first and now yoga capris with a soft-waistband over the incision. Taking a shower daily has been wonderful- well worth the effort. The weird sensations are already getting better- the first couple weeks my new boobs would tingle all the time. Its been a long 3 1/2 weeks but I am so glad I made this decision. As my PS told me....the autologous breasts will keep looker better with time, the day post-op is the best implants will ever look! 

  • Kat-ski
    Kat-ski Member Posts: 212
    edited March 2014

    How long will it take to get the redness in the fold to go away with wet/dry packing twice a day?

  • goldie4040
    goldie4040 Member Posts: 2,280
    edited March 2014

    Okay, does everybody have to wear a binder on their tummy after surgery, or is that up to your surgeon, and will I be okay in just nighties, or will I feel better having something snug around my tummy, like the top of Yoga pants?  I realized today that I am about a month out, and now I am going into panic mode.  Got to get everything ready. I now after my bmx I lived in the two hospital gowns the nurse, and my husband squirreled away in my bag before we left the hospital, for about a week, or so. I preferred making pins holes for the drains in something I was going to through away, then my own clothing.   Then I switched to some button up nighties when they gave me my drain belt, but I had no tummy stuff to worry about.

    I have a giant wedge pillow, but I am much more comfortable in my recliner.  I wish somebody close by could use this wedge.  I would give it to them.

  • Donna2012
    Donna2012 Member Posts: 201
    edited March 2014

    did anyone ever have physical therapy after diep?  My insurance pays, so I decided to try it.  I go 3 times per week.  I did not realize the limitations that I had, until I was evaluated.  My arm & shoulder joint already feel much looser, after just a few sessions.  They are also working on my posture.  I never realized how bad it was - probably caused by being hunched over for 6 weeks.  Lastly, they are working on my core & strengthening my abdomen.  I'd like to be able to do sit ups again.  

  • Jeannie57
    Jeannie57 Member Posts: 2,144
    edited March 2014

    Goldie, I was given an ab binder at my one week post-op visit. Some women are more comfortable in them and they do help with swelling. My ab incision really wasn't bothered by it, it was so numb. I guess I had my hip drains out by then. You will do fine. If you want to wear hospital gowns again you should do it. I wore loose Jammie's for a couple weeks, moving to yoga pants after that. You will figure it out! I wish I could take away your anxiety but it's almost a rite of passage with this surgery, I think. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2014

    Yup Donna I went to therapy for the same things after stage I. And I have been back in for the last six weeks or so, working on the shoulder and core strength again after stage II.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2014

    donna....your PS has ok'd this...right? That is uber important. Yes, I had physio after stage 1. They worked on some cording issues, and also worked on pre-existing shoulder issues. Posture improved as the shoulder issues improved, and I had some exercises that worked the shoulder and core together. Do your home exercises as they prescribe, but be careful not to "overdo" things too. Can't force certain things to get better faster. fyi....I have never "craved" the chance to do sit ups, but I can do them now just as well as before surgery. I'm sure you'll be doing all the sit ups you want in the near future.

    goldie....yep, sounds like you're entering the "twilight zone". It feels overwhelming, but is totally understandable, and you will get through it. Time on the 2013 thread and this one has taught you that every doc is different. Can you connect with kuka??? I'm sure she would be glad to help answer your questions, and would have THE best info regarding your shared PS. By the time you care about what you're wearing, you'll likely have a good idea if you want support or no contact on the tummy area, if your PS gives you the choice. Since recovery from BMX is different from flap surgery...I suggest hanging on to that wedge pillow, "just in case", and if you end up not needing it, maybe your cancer centre might be somewhere to donate it to?? 

  • Donna2012
    Donna2012 Member Posts: 201
    edited March 2014

    nigahi, yes my ps approved the pt - she wrote the prescription.  I have no limitations on anything.  I am tired & slightly sore after doing the exercises, but I feel better.  

    Goldie, I seem to be in the minority, but my ps does not use any binders - nothing constricting at all!  I have had no abdominal problems & fantastic results - my only stage 2 needed is the nipple.  I know that the lack of binder is not just for some of her patients  - my home nurse told me that the entire practice does not allow binders.   

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited March 2014

    Goldie - I didn't have binders either. I was sent home with just individual pieces of guaze on each breast, and some light bandages across my tummy. Like Donna's PS - that is just the way they roll. I healed very well, albeit slowly, with just one dog ear that needs a bit of attention.

    And like you - I always get a pedicure before surgery. I love looking at my toes - they make me happy. Also, my chemo nurses taught me a lesson. They suggested that we dress up a bit for  treatments. No ball gowns or tiaras, but just a clean sweater and a bit of lipstick. The nurses put a lot of effort into looking nice and greeted us as though we were guests of honour at luncheon rather than patients at a hospital. 

    It reminds me of when i was a kid in the 60's, and we used to put on our good clothes before boarding a plane. It became such an event. Last time I flew I sat beside a guy in a sweaty sleeveless sweatshirt, and it wasn't nearly as fun. So it's a pedicure, root touch-up, and clean shave for me. Might as well dress for a celebration.

    Did someone mention wedge pillows and linen blouses? Both were invaluable for me. My post DIEP outfit (for at least six weeks) was a white cotton cami that I could step into, and a linen shirt with  buttons in the front. The cami held everything in place, and the shirt hid it all. 

    Wedge pillows are the best! I didn't have a recliner, so pillows became my friends, and the wedge was my best friend ever. After about six weeks, I used it to elevate my feet while I napped. With decreased exercise it helped the circulation in my legs. 

    Jeannie's right - anxiety is a right of passage.  I was a supreme overplanner. I bought bags of clothes at target in various sizes. After surgery I had almost no swelling and could wear my regular size - albeit loose. Jim (bless his heart) returned almost everything except for one pair of yoga pants,  a stretchy skirt, and my camis. He also returned the shower chair, my second wedge pillow, and the tool I bought to help grab things. 

    Everybody is so different Just do what you need to do to feel comfortable, and let yourself have fun. 

  • Teacher64
    Teacher64 Member Posts: 840
    edited March 2014

    I've caught up and now don't remember what I read. Brain is like a sieve. For those about to have DIEP, you will be so amazed how you look. I cried because I wasn't the gruesome Frankenbride anymore. Dr. said  I'd be about a B but right now I must be a ZZ! With all the swelling, I could be a star...well maybe not with bandages. The three remaining drains have reduced output to drops up to 15, so maybe when I see dr Thursday, more will come out. I do have a binder, which has caused more issue because I'm short waisted. Once belly drains are out, the binder should be less an issue. In December a friend who'd recently moved was my contact point. She arranged meals and "hair days," when friends came to do my hair. Clothes have been soft, pull up, button front. Jammies are out of season Santa and reindeer dogs on red flannel. They are warm and that's all I care about. Loved the picture of the belt. Someday I will have loose pants too. The leg shaving cartoon was a hoot, but I had to grab a pillow when I laughed. So worth it.

    Wonderful dreams to all going in. I know support is invaluable. Thanks to all who post encouragement and things to be aware of. 

  • annajo
    annajo Member Posts: 84
    edited March 2014

    Teach, you sound so upbeat!  Happy for you!

    I actually slept on my side on my third night in the hospital.  I just couldn't take it any more and the nurse told me to do what I needed to do.  My hip drain must have been just far enough over that I wasn't lying on it directly and I lined the bed with pillows and fell asleep instantly.  Bliss!  The PS and her PA came at 6 am, as they like to do, and she said, surprised, "oh, you're sleeping on your side!"  And then she said, that's just fine.  So I slept that way for the next day and felt so much better for it.

  • annajo
    annajo Member Posts: 84
    edited March 2014

    was thinking... I was right uni and sleeping on left side, so no pressure on the flap.  That may be why they were not concerned.

  • Wynne50
    Wynne50 Member Posts: 67
    edited March 2014

    ok here's a silly question.  When you are in the hospital and they are checking you every hour or so for blood flow do they open up the surgical bra and tummy compression thing to do that.  Or can they do that through the garments.  I have a niece coming to help my husband with hospital duty and it just hitme "is she going to see me naked. "    I raised her for several years and we are very close but still. Or is is like when you have a baby and all modesty flys out the window? 

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2014

    Wynne.....for me, it was definitely uncover the flap, as they also checked for colour and temperature and swelling, not just doppler sounds (which also required "unveiling"). Incision checks, flap and tummy and drain checks or emptying also meant uncovering things. You can speak with your niece before surgery, and just ask her to turn away and gaze out the window while those things are done for you. I'm sure she'd understand as she must be very caring to be coming to help, but honestly, you may find yourself not giving two hoots "who sees what" the first couple days. Sleep deprivation and meds have a way of altering our normal state of modesty. 

    teacher...you sound wonderful! The drains seem well within the "pull" output, but if you are starting to be more active before your appt, that output might increase a bit, so don't get discouraged. If they pull some, but not all, the remaining one(s) might increase output too, to compensate. That being said...it is truly WONDERFUL when those drains are gone....!!!!!

    goldie....I don't think I actually answered your question last night re:binder. I did not have a binder, none of my docs pt's do, but he also says if compression makes you feel better, it's ok to wear something. I bought some off the rack "shaper" garments that made me feel waaay more comfortable than going commando on the tummy. Also, he wants no compression on the flap, for at least 2 weeks, Then, it's whatever you feel comfortable in...which for me, was just a cami top, (not the style with a shelf bra). But, I was (am) on the small side of breast size I think, if I had a larger flap....probably would have wanted more support. Once I got more healed and active...I definitely wanted some support...now after stage 2 is done...some days I just wear a cami, some days it's a bra...depends what I'm wearing and what I'm doing. 

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited March 2014

    Wynne, try to not worry.  As you said, it's a lot like childbirth and your modesty filter adjusts a bit.  They check the circulation in the new flaps on the bare skin, but there's no need to be 100% nekkid for that.  I just pulled up my hospital gown and kept the blankets covering my nether bits.  When they check the dressings on the abdomen, your lady bits are still covered by the blankets.  

    It was probably the drugs along with my natural lack of filter, but everyone who came in my room was cheerfully offered a look at the new girls!

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited March 2014

    Re:  Mani and Pedi and shaving before surgery - Def do it!  BUT, please not the day before or the day of - give any tiny cuts or nicks plenty of time to heal.  They can be a big entry point for infection in the hospital.  Also, be sure to ask your doc if there is a pre-surg bathing routine you should follow.  Some docs ask patients to shower with hibi-clense or dial soap the night before and the morning of, even though the nurses do the same thing after you are in the OR.  It is another way of keeping the nasties at bay.

  • lemon68
    lemon68 Member Posts: 684
    edited March 2014

    Goldie- you going into this mode is making me think I better be going into it too, since we are doing this a day apart! My mind is racing and I have been shopping. I have a list a page long of questions when I go for Pre-op on 4/21. I don't want to flip the calendar to April but then again I do! Might be a bit crazy now cant imagine what I will be like the week before. I am hoping calm and have my friend Ms. Xanax to make sure.

    Wynne- I had the same question as you. I have 2 teenage boys that will be there and I am sure seeing their mom's goods would not be ideal to them or me. I figured I would have my DH come in and check to make sure I am covered before they come in each time. I could really scar them! LOL My older one doesn't want to hear about it, he gets too nervous and worries so much. My younger one (14) wants all the info and tells me how brave I am. I have hated to have to have all this happen, it really affects the whole household. Breaks my heart that they have had to worry so much this past year, dang cancer!

    Teacher- you sound GREAT! Are you home now or still there?

  • Teacher64
    Teacher64 Member Posts: 840
    edited March 2014

    Hibeclens was a yes.

    Compression binder is required for six weeks.

    Only sponge baths til drains out 2 days, they better not be in for 26 days like before. The weather is warmer and oohey that will be bad!

    Flaps were checked through bandage but my DH turned away. They would have been picking him up off the floor if he'd watched that or striping drains.

    I agree with sbelizabeth that you will not be completely "nekkid" (love that pronunciation)

    Do have a pedi. I was told no mani at all. My toes are still bright pink. One nurse took off my socks because they had to move all my hospital bracelets to my ankle and she said, "Nice toes." That ICU nurse made my day!

    No side sleeping, but oh glory, for a small bowel movement.

  • Teacher64
    Teacher64 Member Posts: 840
    edited March 2014

    forgot...lemon68...I'm home 

  • Sunone
    Sunone Member Posts: 151
    edited March 2014

    Can anyone tell me about how long I can expect to be off from working after Diep? I am self employed so need to be up and about as soon as possible. I do a lot of work from home, but also have to meet clients, nothing strenuous, probably not longer than 3 hours at a time. I could  get one of my sons or my husband to be my " driver" if I do need to go anywhere. I am between active clients right now, but have a couple of people that have just contacted me about working with them in April (my surgery is April 11) I can't afford to turn away business. Any chance that I can be up and about a couple weeks after surgery or is that very wishful thinking? This has me re-thinking surgery,  my other option would be to have 2 areas removed with lumpectomy but  I've already had one area removed previously, can't imagine what that would leave my breast looking like.

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited March 2014

    sunone,

    I haven't had my DIEP yet so I'm only guessing, but after my MX I was back at work after 3 weeks full time. After my hyster / ooph I was back full time after a week and a half. Having said that, DIEP is more invasive and you need more recovery time plus each person is different. If it were me, I'd get my surgery as planned and find a way to work in your clients 3 weeks out. You need time to heal, but let's face it, finances play a huge role for a lot of us. Do what you have to, but I would never push back anything that will affect your health or battle with cancer. You can finagle everything else.

  • goldie4040
    goldie4040 Member Posts: 2,280
    edited March 2014

    Janet, a pedicure is a must for me, and so is fresh highlights in my hair, and a haircut. The shave is for them.  I don't want them to think I am some kind of lowland gorilla.  I have a secret.  I don't shave my legs in the winter because nobody sees them but me, and my hubby. I can hear you all saying, "gross" right now...lol.   At a certain point the hair gets soft enough it doesn't feel bad to the touch...lol.  He doesn't care. It's blonde. But, for surgery, I will shave. 

    Nihani, of course...I need to ask Kuka about the ab binder! Duh!  See, my head is not on straight.

    Lemon, if you are still in a mellow place, stay there.  Don't go where I am unless you are ready to go into overdrive. Xanax doesn't do much for me.  I might ask for a few Ativan to get through the last week before surgery.

    Teacher, six week binder?  Wow.  It is so interesting to me how each surgeon is different.  And, God forbid you don't do what they say, and something goes wrong, then it's your fault!!! Are you getting around okay at home?

    Sunone, everybody has a different experience with healing.  If you can work from home reclined in your chair, and just talk to your clients on a phone, that is probably very doable.  You would just have to time your pain meds right...lol.  As for getting out and meeting clients,  that is something you will know when the time comes.  You could be one of the super human women we have had on here, and do just fine, or you could be more "normal" and not feel so excited about be up, and about after 2 weeks. I have been here a year, and I have read all the scenario's, and each one is so individual. I hope it works out just the way you want it, though.

    My neighbors of 20 years are moving away, and we are having a little get together on our street tonight for them.  So, I am off to finish preparing my brownies I was asked to bring.

    Have a great day Happy

  • Donna2012
    Donna2012 Member Posts: 201
    edited March 2014

    my flap checks were every hour and probably lasted less than 60 seconds.  They would just listen with the Doppler, look at coloring & press on the skin in a few areas - that's it.  If you had someone in your room, you could easily ask them to turn around for this minute.  I, however, did not want any visitors after this surgery - besides my husband ( who came daily) and my teenage kids (who each visited once).  I did not know what it would be like and did not want the "stress" worrying about people coming to see me and how I would look and feel, etc...  Would I be vomiting?  In extreme pain? Half naked?  Drugged up? Would they see my breasts?  Urine catheter? etc....  So, a few weeks prior, once I told everyone "no visitors, please", I actually was a lot less stressed about the whole thing!  Best decision ever.  This may not work for everyone, but it worked for me.  I was not bored in the least and communicated with many people via phone & ipad.  Between all of the medical people visiting me and my husband, I had enough to keep my occupied.  

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited March 2014

    Sunone - I work for myself from home, too.  I would not have been meeting clients within 3 weeks from surgery as I still had drains.  I did drive once at 3 weeks and totally wore myself out - had to take a 3 hour nap.  Are you comfortable explaining to your clients why you are not "at your best"?  That will be important.  You don't want them to think you don't have their best interests at heart.  I totally understand about needing the money and not turning anyone away, but if you can meet now and then delay after surgery for several weeks you should be good.  You really have to give your body time to heal, both inside and out.  You will be swelly and clothes won't fit properly (shifts are great dresses that hide a lot).  You can do this and I bet your clients will be more than happy to work around your needs - they won't be much, but your clients will appreciate you a lot more if you take care of yourself before taking care of them.  Don't rethink, just do it.  Things come up all of the time and can interfere with your surgical schedule.  Stick with it, you will be so much better for it in the end.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited March 2014

    Sunone... We are indeed all different. I was driving at two weeks post op and off pain meds after one week. At two weeks post op, I could certainly have worked from home, with my feet up. But any activity is exhausting. So I would plan properly and definitely tell your clients what's up. I had drains for almost 9 weeks because I had a GAP flap and then DIEP back to back. The drains didn't keep me in at all. I just learned how to dress for them. The one thing you can't plan for though is if you have a complication. I had one, which led to the GAP then DIEP. It happens. And your health comes first, so you'd need to put your clients on the back burner. If it were me, I would meet with the new clients prior to the surgery if possible.

  • Teacher64
    Teacher64 Member Posts: 840
    edited March 2014

    Why does one sock get stuck in the back of the washer and the cup of tea stops in the back of the microwave? This morning's goal was to make a cup of tea, and of course the microwave stopped with the cup in the back. That might not seem an issue for you, but I am height-challenged, so I pressed the auto button and rotated that cup to the front within my reach. Hey, I've beat cancer, no cup of hot water is getting in my way! I'm not even thinking about any socks.

  • brendarj
    brendarj Member Posts: 72
    edited March 2014

    Teacher - Really need a like button. So love your sense of humor. Only hope when my turn comes that I can be as positive Nerdy

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