What do you use to lower cholesterol without statins?
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zogo - I had very lethargic symptoms prior to my recent blood work when I was dx Hypothyroid. I had been sub-clinical hypothyroid for about 2 years (when I was eating so much raw Kale) before I started a iodine supplement about 3 months ago. It may have aggravated my condition. Now I'm finally being treated with a recent prescription for Armour Thyroid and it is making a positive difference how I feel.
Regarding some previous posts - spot on about too low Mg levels as it was also a key topic today on Dr. OZ show as many people are too low in this mineral. He also had a warning about over dosing on raw Kale which I wish I knew before. So for what it's worth - we appear to be on the right track with our sharing posts here.
Yes - particle size is the important focus for cholesterol issues as good HDL numbers will not trump over bad / high bad particle size.
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On a Stage II thread, we have been talking about aspirin and it's role in recurrence risk. Even though it doesn't have anything to do with cholestroel, I think it is important enough to share it here too. Of course, if you aren't already taking a daily low dose aspirin, you should check with your doctor before starting to do so. The following is a July 17, 2013 article from Healthline. Pretty exciting!
"A 2,000-year-old drug that costs just pennies could be the latest weapon against cancer. New studies link aspirin use to lower risk for at least eight types of cancer: those of the breast, colon, esophagus, stomach, prostate, bladder, ovary and skin.
Harvard researchers reported that women who took low-dose aspirin (100 mg) every other day had a 20 percent drop in colon cancer risk, compared to women who took a placebo, according to new data from the Women’s Health Study. The findings were published in Annals of Internal Medicine.
“Evidence that aspirin may have cancer-protective properties is both pervasive across medical literature and increasingly robust,” says Marc Penn, MD, PhD, FACC, co-founder and chief medical officer of Cleveland HeartLab.
Earlier studies have reported that 75 mg a day of aspirin may cut colon cancer risk by 17 to 28 percent, and also lower the risk of death after a colon cancer diagnosis by 30 to 40 percent.
The study adds to many other new findings suggesting that this ancient remedy may be a remarkably affordable wonder drug that could help prevent cancer or stop the disease in its tracks. Here are a few particularly noteworthy new studies:
- Breast cancer: In a Scottish study involving 116,181 women, those who took aspirin regularly for 3 to 5 years had a 30 percent drop in breast cancer risk, while a 40 percent risk reduction was seen after more than 5 years of aspirin use.
- Skin cancer: Women who take aspirin regularly have a 21 percent decrease in risk for melanoma, the deadliest form of skin cancer, compared to non-users, according to a 12-year study of nearly 60,000 women, ages 50 to 79, published in the journal Cancer. After 5 or more years of regular use, risk for melanoma fell by 30 percent.
- Prostate cancer. Taking aspirin may help men with prostate cancer live longer, by inhibiting the cancer’s growth and spread, according to a 2012 study of nearly 6,000 men published in Journal of Clinical Oncology. The ten-year death rate from the disease was 3 percent among the aspirin users versus 8 percent in non-users.
- Other common cancers. Daily aspirin use for prevention of heart attacks seems to have an extra benefit: lower 20-year risk of developing or dying from several common cancers, including a 42 percent reduction in colon cancer and reduced risk for esophageal, gastric, biliary, and breast cancer, according to an analysis of more than 41 trials published in Lancet.
Warning Signs of Breast Cancer
Why Does Aspirin Reduce Cancer Risk?
Also known as acetylsalicylic acid, aspirin has two effects that may explain why people who take it regularly for heart attack prevention are less likely to get cancer, says Dr. Penn, who is also director of cardiovascular research at Summa Cardiovascular Institute in Akron, Ohio.
“Aspirin decreases inflammation, which has been shown to play a role in cancer development, and also blocks platelet function,” reports Dr. Penn. “Platelets carry significant amounts of growth factors that may contribute to tumor growth in areas of tissue injury.”
Slowing Down DNA Damage in Patients at High Risk for Cancer
Another new study offers surprising insight into how aspirin may combat cancer. The researchers discovered that the headache-and-heart-attack prevention pill may slow down DNA mutations in abnormal cells in people with a pre-cancerous disorder called Barrett’s esophagus. People with this disorder are at increased risk for esophageal cancer.
In a new study published in PLOS Genetics, the researchers analyzed biopsies from 13 patients with this disorder and tracked their health for 6 to 19 years. The scientists found that on average, in years when the patients took aspirin daily, they accumulated new DNA damage ten times more slowly than they did in years when they weren’t taking the drug.
The team plans additional research to explore the theory that aspirin’s anti-inflammatory powers are why it reduces DNA mutations that could lead to cancer."
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Ruth, the hardest part for me in much of this is balancing competing advantages and disadvantages. I asked my onc (who is very progressive and aggressive, why I chose her) about taking daily aspirin as a preventative against cancer and she was against it. Says that there isnt enough good proof to justify. Aspirin itself isn't harmless. Can cause damage to stomach lining and causes bleeding. What helps one system can harm another...
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Mountains, interesting. I have "inverse" cholesterol, i.e. high HDL, low LDL and low triglycerides.
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I was already taking the aspirin because heart disease & strokes run rampant in my family; so for me, if aspririn might protect me from cancer too, that is just a bonus. Yes, anything you start should be cleared with your doctor first.....it's not a 'one size fits all' deal.
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Great news!!!! With your suggestions and my diligence, I was able to lower my cholesterol 40 points in the last three months!!!! Total was 285, now 245. LDL was 185, now 162. WIll keep this going, even more strictly now that I know it's going in the right direction!!! Need to get HDL up.
Here's what I did:
Supplements: One omega 3 tablet, one plant sterol tablet (will check mg if anyone is interested,) 3000 Vitamin D, one probiotic.
Exercise: No change, 1 hour a day of either walking or swimming.
Diet: More nuts, beans, lentils, seeds, veggies. At least a handful of nuts each day. Two fruits, no more. Very low carbs, and if so, only whole carbs. Almost no sugar, dairy, (only dairy is lowfat, organic goats milk yoghurt, occasionally) very little to no meat. Poultry once a week, if. Fish at least 2x a week, mostly salmon. Olive and grapeseed oil, apple cider vinegar, but mostly lots of fresh lemon juice. Most food from scratch. Took lots of time, but this was a three month experiment. WOrth it! Thanks!
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Greenarch, good for you! Keep up the good work.
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Awesome!
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I am happy to hear your good news! But, I feel the need to chime in and say, as I'm sitting here in the hospital with the DH, that I'm not all that certain that we need to place such importance on cholesterol numbers. DH has had numerous stents, cardiac bypass and now more stents less than 2 years following the bypass surgery. Until now, he has never taken a statin because he gets rhabdomylosis due to an underlying metabolic disorder. Although there is a family history of cardiovascular disease, he is tall and slim, exercises 5 days a week, has low blood pressure and is not diabetic. When he arrived at the hospital his cholesterol numbers were the following... Total cholesterol 172, LDL 74, HDL 46. Triglycerides 130. I repeat, he has never taken a statin, until now!
Here in the cardiac wing, all I'm hearing about is people with total cholesterols of over 300 and have clean angiograms and then there are those people like the DH.
I'm going to make my point loud and clear, years from now our future ancestors are going to be looking back at us and going to be as bemused with us with our cholesterol obsession as we are when we look at our ancestors and wonder why they did bloodletting with slugs.
IMHO there is something else going on besides cholesterol that causes cardiovascular disease.
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And if what I just told you hasn't pissed any of you off, let me tell you about my best friend 's husband. He landed in Mass General's cardiac wing after being rescued from a cruise ship. He suffered a massive heart attack and thankfully is alive a year later. He has the same profile as the DH except he is an Indian, while the DH is an Ashkenazi Jew. Did I mention my Indian friend is a Vegan too? Bottom line, the chief of cardiology at Mass General told my friend and her husband that up until 24 hours before his massive heart attack, no one could have ever known or predicted that he would have the heart attack. Sobering....
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voracious, So sorry to hear about your DH. Do you know his particle number? My lipidologist says that is the most important number, among a few others not in the standard cholesterol panel.
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VR, I'm so sorry about your DH. I don't think stress is good for his condition, nor yours
There has been quite a bit in the news lately about cholesterol #'s and statins. The role of inflammation seems to be a new target for heart disease. Who knows? Please take care of you both. Hugs...
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zogo... He has had all kinds of panels... He has seen cardiac lipid specialists and endocrinologists and medical genetics physicians and researchers. He is under the care of Ivy Schmivy doctors....EVERYONE SCRATCHES THEIR HEADS!
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wen... I firmly believe that inflammation plays a role. However, he has been on anti-inflammatory meds and anti- platelets for years....
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I almost forgot... because of his rare genetic metabolic muscular dystrophy, he is also under the care of a world class dietician who is also a professor... at an Ivy Schmivy league school...
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wen... I'm not stressed. I'm angry that research is sooo slow. My DH has always been in very competent hands and we've been extremely lucky that we live close to world class hospitals AND have the means to travel and meet with world class researchers. I'm more upset over what happened to my dearest friend's husband. Despite what has happened to the DH, he has a healthy heart. My friend's very dear husband has half a ticker and she is having a difficult time dealing with their misfortune. She's also a Ph. D. in pharmacology and can't believe that they "missed" something before the heart attack.
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VR, I'm glad to hear you are not stressed, but anger is not good either It is certainly understandable how you feel!! We, as humans are always alive in the most scientifically advanced times, yet it is often not advanced enough when we are seeking help for a loved one. I wish your DH the best.
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VR, PS. I am sorry about the husband of your friend. How sad and frustrating...
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VR - I am very sorry to hear about your DH. Sadly I understand your frustration and anger as I had a similar conversation for why our doctors are so fixated on cholesterol values. Look at the total patient please and not just numbers on a lab report...... Sending Hugs your way.
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Yes, looking at the total patient is so important and, I fear, sometimes lost in the world of specialists. And, of course, sometimes there is no good reason for why things happen, no matter how good of medical care one has had.
Voracious, wishing the best for your DH and for your friends, and sending out a virtual hug to you.
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Thanks for the kind thoughts! CP... Your thoughts regarding looking at the whole person and not just the labs is what always saves the DH's life! Patients need to advocate for themselves.
What I'm about to write might scare everyone even more....Every time the DH complained of pain, in his case, a choking feeling in his throat, his doctors would do nuclear stress tests and he would "pass." With insistance from the gastro, the cardios would do angios and that's how they found all of his blockages. Because he is so healthy, his body did a great job of building collateral vessels around the blockages and that's why he passes his stress tests and fools the doctors ALL THE TIME! Worst of all, you know how people say, "Oh, I had a 100% blockage and blah, blah, blah"... well, not only did the DH have 100% blockages being fed by collateral vessels, one of his vessels became soooo overworked, it was so ulcerated that it was within 1mm from bursting. So while Mother Nature was doing her work, all I can say is an even high authority, has been working even harder at keeping the DH vertical!
Sisters, do what makes you feel comfortable doing. It might not make us all live longer, but at least it might help you live a happier life. I live a stoic and pragmatic life and that seems to work for me. On what I hope is a final note on the subject of cholesterol, I think there is as much controversy about cholesterol and it's connection to heart disease as there is as much controversy over the benefit of population based mammograms. Until the dust settles regarding these two very real controversies, I'm going to make educated guesses on how both the DH and I will proceed. Having physicians on board whom we trust helps, a little. But at the end of the day, there is no substituting for knowing your own body. As CP said, the physician needs to look at the whole body and you need to be your own advocate.
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Absolutely! Sending more hugs & good wishes, VR.
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Well Said, VR! Best of Health to you and your DH
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VR, sending (((Hugs))) and thoughts for you and your DH.
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I reduced my cholesterol from about 6.7 to 4.something by simply cutting out all dairy. Yes, all dairy. The nurse was astonished. Hope you find something that works for you - very wise to try to keep off statins. I too was on the ghastly Femara at the time.
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Ladybird, the #'s you are referring to are not cholesterol #'s. I think you might be confusing them with something else
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wen...lady is referring to the ratio. That's another way of measuring cholesterol. Going from 6 to 4 is excellent... but again,it's only numbers...
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Thanks VR-had no idea, and I have high cholesterol Sorry Ladybird!!
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What country do you live in Ladybird? I 'm in Canada and we use the metric measure mmol/L. In the US they do something else. My Cholesterol pre dx in 2009 was 4.7. Last year after three years on anastrozole it went up to 5.0, not too bad. Anything over 6.2 is considered "at risk".
(Vit D measurements also differ between the two counties which makes reading BCO difficult with always having to use conversion charts. I think watching our Vitamin D is equally important when taking an AI to watching cholesterol, but then I have osteoporosis. My Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy is up to 139 mmol/L now, up from the 90 pre dx in 2009.
Kathy
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My total cholesterol was up to 5.3 with Femara and now 4.9 on Tamoxifen.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140225101256.htm
500g of strawberries daily lowered LDL and triglycerides according to this study.
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