For Informed People Using Alternative Treatments

just completed my weekly castor oil pack:  45 minutes, takes a while to prepare.  will finish this account in a bit probably

new2bc - I wish I could do the trampoline - it makes me have to pee in like 30 seconds! Same with jump ropes.  Getting old is so weird sometimes because I used to do both all the time when I was young. 

i also asked him about turkey tail mushroom, he said that's mostly for digestive organs. but he said mushrooms are good, i think he meant food, not supplements.

new2bc - i am taking vit B, C, D, calcium, fish oil and properly multivitamin as well (will check with my int doc later). CQ10 (still debating if i need it or not...but he said it's fine to take if i want). and the green tea extracts (just ordered it).

Thanks for sharing juneping. I don't know anything about resveratrol, but I'm wondering about the grape seed. Did the intregative doc say it has estrogen? I was under the impression it depletes estrogen. 

Thanks juneping.....and for the link too. Very informative. 

Hey just got back and glad to see lots of new posts here.  I went to my holistic doc as well and got my DMPS loading protocol results back.  For that test you submit a urine sample and then get a chelation IV drip with DMPS in it, which reaches in and grabs out the heavy metals.  Then after the drip and for the next 75 min you pee into a jug and they measure the amounts of HM.  I was 3x the normal limit for mercury and lead!  I have no problem believing this either--I used to live in an old house and did a lot of remodeling so was exposed to lead, and according to the dentist I have about 4 gms of amalgams in my teeth, which is about 2 gms of mercury.  My doc thought I was upset but I was glad b/c we can fix this.  I'll be taking oral chelation therapy for the next 6 mo or so and he said that he has seen many cases where a tumor just disappears when the heavy metals get detoxed. Interestingly, after that IV chelation session, my brain felt clearer than it had in years.  

This doc started out as a regular MD--a board certified internist-- and started to use some holistic practices and the more he saw they worked, the more he switched over and now holistic is all he does.  He has me doing oil pulling and I've not noticed much beyond better dental health like my gums no longer bleed and my teeth are seated more comfortably but I"ve no doubt that the differences will add up.  Oh and he tested my meridians again and everything was perfect and the dental meridian was perfect too--it sounded very sick in the last test but now I've had the dental work done and that was only the first section.  

One thing that's interesting about his doc too is that he goes very much by how I feel.  His theory and mine now too, is that my feeling of wellbeing will have a great deal to do with my healing.  I asked about adderall and whether I should continue to take it and he asked if I feel better with or without it.  I said better with, so he said to continue to take it.  I have added ginseng to my protocol for the same reason--not only is it supposed to help with tumor suppression but it makes me feel fantastic.  

For those who have to pee after getting on the trampoline--I used to too, but that goes away.  It strengthens all your cells due to gravity, and they will toughen up.   

Interesting about a regular schedule and long life.  I've never been much of one for consistency but I'm working on that.  It sure is hard though. Oh and just learned a new thing--well I kind of knew it I guess but here's a good article:     Eat Jello!

This cancer thing sure is a journey, isn't  it?  

juneping - thanks for the info on your Dr. appointment.  I just got the results of my Vit. D test and my level was 15 so yeah mine is pretty low too. I just ordered a Vit. D supplement since I am living in the arctic circle here in the Midwest US!!

June if your fillings match your teeth you're fine but if they are a dark silver grey then you've probably got amalgam, which is what you don't want.  And no, I don't have to have the fillings removed first.  I had wondered about that for years myself but doc said we can go ahead and get started, but I need to keep on getting my dental work done.  NAC is another detox agent and will help build glutathione in the liver. Cilantro is good and I'm going to get onto doing research about detoxing HM now.  

I was just reading over my toxic metals report and it said that lead exposure can accumulate extensively in your bones and decrease your hgb or blood count and I've been fighting mine for years--I'm so sick of iron pills and figured it was the fibroids, but my OB/gyn always seemed a bit puzzled by much trouble we had keeping it up.  One of the first things it does with even low levels of exposure is to impair your vitamin D metabolism and we know what that does.  Even at low levels it can participate in synergistic toxicity with other toxic elements such as cadmium and mercury!  Both lead and mercury can have neurotoxic effects and glad we caught this before I got alzheimer's and maybe I won't have AD/HD anymore when this is over.  That would be a dream come true.  Another thing that is high is nickel and while not a problem in itself, it can take up receptors that would be better served by zinc or selenium.  Again, ring a bell?  

A piece of good news is that I won't have to have the dental surgery after all and my sinus is clear.  We saw a mass in there before that looked suspicious but it's gone now.  BC is bad enough w/o having something nasty that close to your brain.  

Resveratrol with quercetin and grape seed sounds like a good product.  I wouldn't worry about any estrogenic effects, but if you are, don't take it forever - just take this bottle.  I take those products seperately.

Jojo, this is from the foodforbreastcancer.com site

Safe and effective dosages of resveratrol supplements have not been established. Cell and animal studies suggest that taking resveratrol in concentrated form could have unintended adverse effects, including potentially increasing the rate of proliferation, migration, and invasion of breast cancer cells at some dosage levels. One study reported that resveratrol alone promoted mammary tumor growth and metastasis in a mouse model of ER- breast cancer whereas it inhibited it in combination with quercetin and catechin (other grape polyphenols). Another study found that supplementation with zinc plus resveratrol in a rat model of breast cancer substantially increased the rate of carcinogenesis and the number of carcinogen-induced mammary tumors. (http://foodforbreastcancer.com/news/resveratrol-enhances-the-treatment-effects-of-tamoxifen-in-er+-breast-cancer)

Your supplement does have the quercetin. I personally haven't read much that was negative about resveratrol, but if you could track down those studies you might be able to figure out if they were using much higher amounts, or something else that would distinguish them (I notice it says ER-, so might be different effect than with ER+ cells).

I've read some bad stuff about zinc before, so it wouldn't surprise me that a combination with reserveratrol would be bad too. 

Is the problem with resveratrol only? I sometimes take quercetin and grapeseed extract. Was there a new study at sloan regarding resveratrol? I have read that resveratrol is good to eat in foods not supplements. I also stopped taking ground flaxseed (I tablespoon/day) for a week now and I notice I have more hot flashes. There was a period of about 2 months where my hot flashes stopped. So I do not know if I want to take flaxseed anymore. Any thoughts? Does anyone take calcium D glucarate?   I have read good things about zinc and I take it as a supplement. It reduces copper in the body which is good because copper causes angiogenesis.  

Juneping, there's this study showing NAC and vitamin E sped up the progression of lung cancer in mice:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24477002

New2bc, I take calcium d-glucarate, and also 2 TB. of flaxseed a day. I haven't seen anything negative about flaxseed, and there are three different clinical trials underway with flaxseed and breast cancer prevention, and prevention of recurrence. If there were some indications that it could worsen breast cancer, I don't think they could ethically do those trials. But on the other hand you have to listen to your own body, above all.

As far as zinc goes, this kind of scared me away, "At the same time, epidemiological studies have illustrated a relationship between high zinc levels in breast tissue and breast cancer." http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/zinc Of course, that certainly doesn't mean zinc causes cancer.

Fallleaves,

Thanks for the information you provided. I take 15 mg of zinc everyday by cutting a 30 mg pill in half. I may need to cut it again to make the dosage less. Isn't this whole process fun? By the time we order a supplement, we find out that it is not good for us.

What brand of calcium d glucarate are you using and what dosage daily? 

hi ladies - I am new to this thread but following it with interest 

I recently found out about I3C and DIM and wonder what your sources of info say re use to help prevent BC reoccurance  my sources say I3C can work synergistically with Tamoxifen