Starting Chemo in March 2014
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Alli and Maggiemay - I'm not sure if you're referring to the chemo education appointment or not. Either way, here's what happened at mine last week.
I sat down with one of the nurses, and she basically talked me through the process. She told me what meds they would call in to the pharmacy right away(dexamethasone and compazine) and what meds would be in my pre-infusion cocktail (emend, pepcid, dex and benadryl). Then comes the Taxotere, and finally the Cytoxan. She let me know when to start taking Claritin and Aleve for the Neulasta bone pain. We also discussed, and she gave me a number of hand-outs dealing with things like the rules of the infusion center (no visiting kids under 15 and no pets unless they're certified and documented therapy animals), typical side effects, what a CBC is, frequently used meds, how to deal with mouth sores, and specific things to watch for where you should call them immediately like a fever of 100.5, skin rash, unusual bleeding, etc.
I learned that they have a refrigerator for patients' stuff and pillows and blankets. I know where the bathroom is! I forgot to get their wi-fi info, but that should be no big deal. I was surprised that they didn't seem to put much stock in icing fingers and toes during Taxotere, but I got no objections when I said I wanted to do it anyway.
It took about an hour, and made me feel a bit better about what to expect the first time. I just wish that wasn't the day after getting my port, but may as well get this show on the road.
I'd love to hear about what you've learned!
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Hi MaggieMay, bring your list of questions, if they are a good doctor they will not make you feel rushed and let you ask as many questions as you want. They will listen to your concerns and help calm any fears you may have. I have known mine on a professional level for a number of years so I have a little bit of an advantage but he treats everyone this way, we are lucky to have him at our hospital.
I found out today my regimen may change due to new findings on lab work, maybe less treatments, I'll know more on Friday when I go for my chemo teaching. That certainly won't break my heart! I am HER2 negative and Ki-67 is only 10%, time research what all that means.
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Alli, my Ki67 is less than 5% and I am also HER2 negative. What does the Ki67 mean? At this point I have no questions for the oncologist because I really don't know a lot about what will happen. Do most people get ports?
Kris, thanks for the info. Tell me more about the icing.
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The Ki67 is the proliferation, how fast the cancer cells multiply. A low number means they multiply slowly, which is a good thing. They use this number in addition to all the other info they gather to make their treatment plan. HER2- being negative I believe may have something to do with whether they treat with hormones, whether it will be beneficial or not. Ports are common for chemo patients, makes the infusions easier on everybody involved. I am still achy from mine being put in week ago but not too much pain with it. My pain is from the axillary surgery I had on the same day.
Since you don't have a lot of questions do you have someone that can go with you? Reason I say that is they can write down info that is coming at you and you can actually LISTEN to their words. My good friend did this with me at my surgeons appts and to be able to go back to read what she wrote was extremely helpful, I knew I'd never remember what the doc said I was able to listen to him/her during the appointment and not worry about remembering details because I knew my friend was jotting the details down. Then that would trigger questions for my next visits.
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Hi, all!
I believe the Ki67 is the proliferation rate; I know that anything over 20% is considered high, and sadly, I know this because mine came in at 25%. But there are certainly loads of women around here with proliferation rates far higher, and all it really means is that you should probably opt for the most aggressive therapy you're offered.
I'm going to spend my evening seeing if I can use these human hair extension wefts I bought to make some kind of removable baseball hat wig. I think I might have mentioned that my younger sister was diagnosed with Stage IV in 2011. She's wrestled on and off with liver mets ever since, and as luck would have it we'll both be undergoing chemo at the same time. I bought us each the same baseball cap in a different color (she's green, and I'm blue), and some extensions that match our natural hair. My thought was that I could sew the extensions into a grosgrain ribbon binding, and then use fabric velcro strips on the outside of the ribbon and on the inside of the cap. That way, if we want to use a different hat, all we'd need to do is add some velcro to the inside of the new hat and pop the hair in there! I know she hates having anything really close to her scalp beyond a baseball cap when she exercises, and figured this was a way to give her (and myself!) some options.
No idea if it's going to work or not, but if it does, I'll happily post some pictures and instructions in case anyone else is feeling ambitious.
Tomorrow is echocardiogram day for me. I'm also pretty sure that I'm going to opt for a powerport and save my veins. Hope everyone's having a decent day :-)
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Great to see all you 2014 Chemo Marchers getting together and supporting each other. I know I never would have made it through chemo without my wonderful 2008 Chemo Marcher group! And I love how many other March chemo "alumni" have chimed in to support you. We all take care of each other her on BCO.
Kris - I see you're having your port inserted the day before your first chemo. I had that as well, and my MO told me to ask my surgeon to "pack it off" after installing the port. I had no idea what that meant, but my surgeon did.
It turns out when they place the port surgically, the surgeon will test it by inserting a needle through the skin, just like the MO does for chemo. "Packing it off" meant that the surgeon left that testing needle with the attached tubing inserted into the port, and packed it all off with bandages. The next day when I went for chemo, all the oncology nurse had to do was remove the dressing, and the needle was already inserted with the tubing in place, so all she had to do was connect the end of the tubing to the IV pack. That saved me getting a needle stick in a sore surgery site. It really didn't hurt having the needle and tubing sticking out overnight - the surgeon packed it off so well with surgical dressings that it never moved. When chemo was done, the nurse just took out the needle as usual and put more surgical dressing on. The site was pretty much healed and fine by my next chemo.
You may want to check with your MO to see if he/she prefers that your surgeon "pack it off" after inserting the port - it may save you from what could be a bit of a painful needle stick into the port the next day.
Kiwi - I agree with everyone else - that stylist was probably freaked out about working on a cancer patient and just said she couldn't cut your hair short so you'd go away and stop scaring her. What if you'd just wanted a short cut just for fun - would she have turned you away then? Grrrrr.
And yes, everyone - you will save a fortune in hair styling fees, shampoo, conditioner, gel, etc. And those little nasty chin hairs??? Gone! No worries about squinting into the magnifying mirror for plucking. You'll save time too - the first morning after I'd buzzed my hair off I was ready for work a half an hour early - I hadn't had to take all the time to shampoo, apply conditioner, rinse, towel dry, comb out, apply styling gel, and blow dry. It was amazing!
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Nina - you sound handy at making the hair extensions! For those who are not so handy, the TLC catalog from the American Cancer Society has what they call "halos" - basically hair that's just around the edges (kind of like a monk's tonsure) made to wear with caps and hats. They come in all kinds of colors and textures:
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thanks and good luck Nina. I would love to see pictures.
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Also, everyone, please don't get freaked about things like a high Ki67- my Ki67 was 50% and I had a Grade 3 tumor with lymph node involvement, yet I'm still alive and kicking six years later. (All of this just 6 months after a clean mammo. ) Just concentrate on your treatment and on taking the best care of yourself you can as you undergo chemo. As for the rest of it, don't go there until you get there.
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Jmenchaca, I know what you mean about the silver lining. I am a scrapbooker and when Hurricane Sandy hit and we had no electricity for a week, I did a page on the "good" things that happened that week. I am already trying to think of the "positive" side of breast cancer. Like saving the money on hair coloring/cutting, saving time getting ready in the morning, finding out how many people really love you, etc. Feel free to post more!
Welcome, MaggieMay12 and sandrawright. kiwilady, susiem. Yes, unfortunately but fortunately for us, we have a lot of new members.
Meg
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Maggiemay - There has been some evidence that keeping your fingers and toes really cold during Taxotere infusion can help with potential nail problems and neuropathy SE's. I've already got a bit of neuropathy in my feet and legs, so it's the SE that concerns me most. The cold is supposed to slow the circulation of chemo-infused blood, and so reduce those impacts. My onc nurse did recommend upping B-6, B-12 and folate, and getting glutamine powder to mix in water or juice to help with neuropathy (which reminds me, gotta get an Amazon order in!).
NatsFan - Thankyouthankyouthankyou for the suggestion about having my surgeon pack off the port! I never would have thought of it. Being ready to go the next day would be awesome. Certainly better than having to deal with a needle at a raw site. Big (((HUGS))) for veteran insights!
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I had chemo teaching today, and that helped a lot really understand what I can expect. You read so many things, what you can't eat, what you can't do, that it really helped my head from spinning.
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My MO office has a chemo class every 3 weeks but it wasnt until the day before my first treatment. So they have it online, a video of the actual class. It was pretty interesting, 1 1/2 hours, including a tour of the room. But it wasnt specific to MY meds and treatment.
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Just had my first chemo today (joined March too because I'm one of the last ones in Feb) and so far so good. They told me that if I need nausea meds it probably wouldn't be until at least tomorrow. They put some in the IV so I guess that covers day 1. After drawing blood (where they used my vein saying it was good so they want to save the port for the actual chemo) then meeting with the MO, I had my infusion. They had me chew on ice during the Adriamycin administration but it wasn't very long since that part wasn't from the IV bag, it was injected into the line slowly by the tech. So they did one bag saline, one bag anti-nausea/steroid, the Adriamycin in two big fat syringes, then a bag of the Cytoxan and more saline. Whole infusion took about 1 hr 45 min. So far, I don't feel any different right now, but I'm sure that will change in the next day or so. I snacked on pretzels during infusion, then right after ate a small bowl of soup, then animal crackers later, then a Kashi frozen dinner a little while ago (Lemongrass Coconut Chicken, my favorite!) So, we will see how my body handles it. Oh, and the Adriamycin makes you pee light red or orange for a day. Good thing they told me ahead of time! I've been hydrating a lot hoping to flush it out of my system. I just wanted people to know it wasn't scary and it didn't hurt! Other than a tiny weird taste and smell for a few seconds each time he cleared my port for the next drug, I didn't notice anything different. FYI-I will be getting 4 rounds of A/C every 2 weeks, then 4 rounds of Taxol every 2 weeks with a Neulasta shot the day after each infusion.
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Macintx, thanks for posting about your chemo. It sure helps to read the details from someone who is doing it a week ahead of you!!!! I hope you don't have any (many) side effects. Keep hydrating and keep eating!
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HAIR HAILO INFO
If you are interested in making a hair halo, here is a link to a BCO discussion thread which may help...
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/69/topic/784615?page=1#post_3807427.
ICING INFO
As for icing, here is some info that I wrote a while ago to help those interested in icing. Hope it helps
FOR THOSE ICING NAILS DURING TAXOTERE INFUSION: Always clear anything you want to do with your oncos. You will need to clear it with your onco about icing since not all oncos will allow icing during the Taxotere infusion. At the suggestion of my onco, I am using clear nail polish on my nails to help keep them strong and also icing the nails to help prevent nail damage which is a side effect of Taxotere. She suggested that use Sally Hansen Strong As Nails Clear Polish but I switched to Essie polish since it doesn't chip as much as the Sally Hansen brand. Essie polish costs more but for someone like me who never used nail polish before chemo, the fewer times I have to apply polish the better. I don't mani/pedis but some do. I'd rather avoid the germ issue at nail salons and taking of a chance of getting nicked.
ICING :
- Time period for icing- You will for 1/1/2 hours in total= 15 minutes before the Taxotere infusion + 1 hour during the infusion + 15 minutes after the infusion.
- Ice- You can use frozen peas in quart size ziploc bags marked "Do no eat!!!" and reuse those bags of peas. Some have used small reusable/refreezable ice bags you can get at the drugstore in the first aid department. I opted to use ice. I have an ice tray that makes small rounded bottom circular ice. I tried the peas and decided I liked the ice better because I thought it stayed colder longer. My infusion center has ice available for me to use if I want to use it. I always bring an extra bag of ice just in case I need it.
- Transporting ice to infusion center- I use a cooler with a freezer pack plus take extra infusion ice bags.
- What to put the ice bags in- That is a personal preference. Some just put the ice bags on their feet and wrap a blanket around them so the bags don't fall off. Some use insulated lunch bags and put the ice bags in those. My hands and feet are small so I'm using some neoprene wine cooler bags that I bought at Target for $6.99 each. I figured I could use the wine bags later on. I'm still able to hold an insulated mug so I can drink really cold water and eat ice during the infusion. I have pretty small hands/feet which explains how I am able to use those Neoprene wine bags.
- Hand & Feet Protection- I wear thin sports socks on my feet when I ice the toes. The socks keep the rest of my feet warm during the icing. On my hands, I wear a pair of knitted wristlets/fingerless gloves to keep the rest of my hands warm. If you don't have knitted wristlets, you can make some from men's socks by cutting holes in the toe area. Some people take their feet/hands out of the ice periodically; however, I don't do that.
Process- I let the infusion nurse know that I'm icing so we can coordinate when I should start the icing. Once I know when I'm going to start the infusion, I put the ice bags in the bottom of the Neoprene bags. I put the ones on my feet first and adjust the ice bags so my toes nails are covered. I then put the ones on my hands on and adjust the ice to cover my fingernails. My husband helped me with this process. I always wore the same outfit to my infusions--- leggings, socks, men's undershirt and a pullover v neck hoodie sweater. During the taxotere process, I would put on some fleece pants and sometimes a fleece jacket, and also got a warmed blanket that the infusion center had for patients. Yes, the first 5-10 minutes took some time to get used to the cold on my fingers and toes but after a while, I was fine. My husband did have to hold my giant insulated mug so I could sip iced water during the infusion. I know that this sounds like a lot to do but my nails showed minimal damage ( indentions that appeared sometime after I had each round of chemo) and I never lost any of them. I also suffered minimal neuropathy in my feet and hands. Yes, it was worth it to me to ice but yet I know that some who did not and did not have nail damage.
Do what you can to protect your nails. That means when washing dishes or using household cleaning products, you may want to wear rubber gloves. Keep the nails short so that they don't catch on anything. Try to not use your fingernails as tools to open cardboard boxes or to remove staples.
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Hello March Chemo Group! I cant believe how much the group has grown and how much I missed the last 2 days. Alli - I agree you look beautiful!!! I will be buzzing my hair next week and will post before and after if I can figure it out!
I am going for my first treatment of TCHP tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MACINTX - thank you for letting us know how your treatment went. I am feeling much better about mine, even though we are having completely different drugs. My friend had the ACT. She said they call it the Red Devil!! When I was in my early 20's a Red Devil was my favorite alcoholic beverage. Times have changed!!
I agree I wish I could meet you all in person!! I use FaceTime and Google Hangout if any of you are interested along the way. I will report in tomorrow and let you know what my experience was like.
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So what does TCHP stand for ? Sounds like a mouthful. Good luck tomorrow.
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I'm feeling a little jealous of those of you with proper cancer centers that give chemo classes! I am going to a one person oncologists office, and while he is a lovely man and spent 30 minutes talking to me about things I can't help feeling unprepared.
I went and spoke to a surgeon today about getting my port in, the next available date for that is next Monday so looks like chemo will be pushed back to next week for me. There's a slight concern about my breast being red with what we all hope is mastitis. I'm a little nervous because I've heard the words 'inflammatory breast cancer' from my oncologist, surgeon and today the surgery nurse. I'm just going to carry on with the current plan and cross my fingers that it's just a stubborn infection that needs a few more days of antibiotics.
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Thanks CancerVixen for your compliments, I think this haircut will do until I notice shedding. And good luck with your first treatment. I would be open to FaceTime at some point! Kiwi lady-I hope you only have a small infection and not inflammatory BC, keep us posted. Macintx-thanks so much for a great description of your first treatment, that was really helpful. Melrose, your info is detailed, too, I will be asking them Friday what they have to say about icing fingers and toes.
I have an echo to check heart function and my chemo teaching with the nurse on Friday. Today is my second to last tissue expansion with the plastic surgeon (he's cute so I like seeing him, and nice, lol) and after that I go wig shopping.
Have a great day, ladies!
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Kiwilady, my chemo class consisted of the MO's PA just talking to me for about 10 minutes and telling me less than I learned by watching a video from their website. She did give me my prescriptions for anti-nausea, Emla, etc. and explained how to use them, but there was no "class" per se. Here is a link to the Chemo Education Video. You can scroll down to find it under Clinical Videos.
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Macintx, thanks for the link! Going to go and watch that now.
Alli - would love to hear how your wig shopping goes, I'm so torn on the idea of getting one for myself. On one hand, the styles of wigs look great, on the other I'm worried that it'll be itchy, annoying and I'll never wear it.
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On whether to get a wig or not - I got a really good looking wig and wore it for a couple of weeks before I got sick of the scratchiness. From then on I just wore baseball caps. However, mentally I really needed the wig for those first couple of weeks, just to transition and give me a bit of time to accept the fact that I was bald. Even if you end up not wearing it all the time, it's nice to have a wig in case you have to go to something like a wedding or funeral where you don't want your lack of hair to be a focus of attention. Just a thought.
Xray - your short haircut looks fabulous. One thing I've noticed about myself and other friends who have gone through chemo - now that our hair has come back, most of us have kept our hair shorter than we wore it before chemo. Before, I was always too scared to get a short haircut, but once I had it, I found I liked it. Also, after not fussing with hair while I was bald, I found I wasn't up for the maintenance longer hair takes.
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I loved my wig wore it everyday from late March to early December. I was fortunate that my insurance paid for a very nice wig (cranial prosthesis prescription) human hair and hand tied in a lace cap. Did not have to wear anything under the wig. My head was measured and it was made to fit. No adjusters or anything like that. I did have to go to a true wig studio. They ordered my wig at 12" of hair then I went in when my hair began shedding fast and they buzzed my head and cut and styled the wig. It was one I had to wash and style just like real hair but I could change my style could curl or straighten or whatever I felt like for the day. It did take more time but it looked real. If you are vain and insurance will cover it check it out. My wig was my same hair color and we cut and styled it to match my pre chemo hair style. Most people could not tell a difference. And yes I lived in south Texas with 100 degree days. It fit well enough I could pull my hair back into a loose pony tail to keep my hair off my neck for ventilation in the heat.
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was your port placed by a surgeon or an interventional radiologist? Under general or twilight sedation?
How long were you in a hospital setting for the insertion?
TIA
Ann
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Hospital by general surgeon with general anesthesia. Checked in about 8:00 am and out by 12:30 pm.
No problems.
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macintx, thanks for posting. I met with the oncologist today and it sounds like we are traveling the same path. He said the AC I will have 4 treatments every other week. I will have go have 12 rounds of taxol though for every week for 12 weeks. I hope you find the side effects minimal!
Another question for you girls, the numbness in my left arm where they took the nodes has started to hurt. It almost feels like the skin is scraped. I don't even want clothes touching it. Have you felt the same thing?
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Maggiemay, yes my skin is still sensitive on the back of my arm and felt like it was sunburned at first. I think a lot of people have that, and it's normal. I think it takes a while for the nerves to calm down. I had my AND on 1/24 and it's getting less sensitive each week.
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When the nerves are cut it can feel like burning for a while after. Then things regrow and while you might have a weird sensation in the area it doesn't hurt long term. I've had three abdominal surgeries and have some vague numbness above the incision. HTH
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Wig shopping was fun, I ordered one, will go in to see if I like it. No obligation if I don't. I am having a lot of same problems as those of you with the axillary dissection. It's way worse than the mastectomy, pain wise. Swelling is very uncomfortable but I am only 8 days out, I'm very impatient. Hurts to have anything near it even though there's numbness, wierd.
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