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  • journey4life
    journey4life Member Posts: 517
    edited February 2014

    24,000 posts - wooohooo Titan!

  • FierceBluebird
    FierceBluebird Member Posts: 758
    edited February 2014

    I say make as many memories as you can! Sounds like fun!

    As far as the Neulasta shot, I'll just throw this out there.  I work at a University that has a mycologist(mushroom PhD) and I know of many studies showing how mushrooms have special beneficial properties. I did some research into medicinal mushrooms regarding breast cancer and stimulating the immune system and decided to take Maitake and Turkey Tail mushroom capsules that are organically grown in Oregon by Paul Stamet. (Fungi Perfecti)  Within a week after starting the capsules, I never had to have another Neulasta shot. My WBC and blood counts remained perfect all through 6 months of chemo. I credit the mushroom capsules for that. I hated those damn Neulasta shots. Claritin is supposed to help but I had a lot of bone pain even with the Claritin. 

    I had to stop the mushroom capsules before surgery.  Interestingly, my rbc count and hemoglobin dropped during the time I stopped. They even tried an iron infusion but I was allergic to it. As soon as I had surgery and started my mushroom pills, my blood counts were fine the next time I was tested.

    I would recommend that you talk to your oncologist about it. But also remember that most medical doctors will give you the frowny face if you bring up any "alternative" treatments.  But as far as I'm concerned, taking mushroom capsules is no different than eating mushrooms. There are lots of studies out there regarding them. 

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    I just read a story where this dog with cancer is in a mushroom trial. Given only 1-2 months to live (rare type of cancer) they have been giving him some type of mushrooms, and he is doing great, excellent quality of life, etc.  

  • megomendy
    megomendy Member Posts: 141
    edited February 2014

    BLuebird, that mushroom post is very interesting. Can you attach a link to the ones you buy?

  • Cocker_Spaniel
    Cocker_Spaniel Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2014

    Kath - every post you put on makes me LMAO.  You are a fun filled lady but I feel so sorry for Carol. Make sure your parachute opens and keep away from the kids.  AND don't put your teeth in your pocket!!!

    Titan - we have the Round the Lake Relay going on this weekend and I feel so sorry for them cause it's so darn hot.  Lake Taupo is roughly the size of Singapore so that's a lot of Relay!.  Could just see you doing the Ironman.  That is the first Saturday in March every year so you still have time!!  Plus I'm working on my new flag.  It's a combination of Ohio and Lake Taupo, very effective.  We have lots of sporting fixtures going on here and 80% of the residents come out to support the athletes from all around the world, it's a great atmosphere. So get those thighs flapping girly cause I'm waiting.  Then when you have recovered we'll just nip up to the casino. We have clubs with pokie machines and competitions here in Taupo but the real money is Wellington, Hamilton and Auckland casinos.  You can bring Kath if you like, if she can disentangle herself from the Statue of Liberty lol.  

    Journey - my goodness 24,000 posts.  What an achievement for our Titan. Without her we would never have had so much helpful advice,  fun and laughter.

    Have a good day ladies.  It's a gorgeous day here so I'm going out to get some vitamin D.  

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited February 2014

    Ban - nobody here is going to "recommend" a type of radiation that you should choose. I honestly don't even think there is a choice of type. It is whatever is appropriate to your situation. Listen to what your RO has to tell you. FYI - I think gamma knife is for people with brain mets for example. I've never heard of a lower stage getting gamma knife.

    Bak - glad to hear you're feeling better.


  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    I keep forgetting who asked us about Evista and TNBC.  My question is, are you going on it for Osteoporosis?  If so, it sounds like you might be getting an extra benefit! This drug sounds promising in the treatment of TNBC.  Here is a link to the article that Patricia Prijatel posted on her blog.  If you aren't familiar with her, she is a TNBC survivor, has authored a book and updates her blog regularly with new information.  She also has great nutrition and other helpful information on there as well.

    http://hormonenegative.blogspot.com/  "Osteoporosis Drug May Treat TNBC"

  • Cocker_Spaniel
    Cocker_Spaniel Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2014

    Gillyone - you are quite right gamma knife is only for brain mets, nothing else. As for types of radiation there is only the one that everyone gets, no other type.  The only difference is the length of your treatment, ie 3 weeks of rads everyday, 5 weeks everyday etc.    

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited February 2014

    ok...Ban...your question about rads got me thinking...what kind of rads did I have..I knew it wasn't gamma knife.....so anyway I google rads for early stage cancer...and there is external and internal....you will probably have external...or maybe the internal...isn't that when the radiation is placed inside the breast in the form of pods or something like that?  Anyway...external rads are directed to the whole affected breast...probably around 25 or so of those...then you will have what they call boosts...7 or so of those which are directed to the tumor site....at least that's what I had...good luck with your rads..personally I thought they were a piece of cake after chemo.   a little freaky with the tattoos and the huge room with the huge machine in it but really it only takes a minute or two and you are OUT OF THERE....never felt a thing..no needles...no drugs to make you feel like crap....no nausea....maybe a little tired but it was a good tired..if you know what I mean...just try to sleep alot and keep the moisturizing cream with you...I remember Aquaphor....go braless...wear loose fitting shirts...I had to giggle going braless at work...no one even noticed...lol

    Annie..you are tempting me with those casinos!   

    Dang Kathy..you are having fun...but I still think you need a casino trip..your mom will never know....oops..yeah she will...they know all dang it.

  • BanR
    BanR Member Posts: 289
    edited February 2014

    Thanks Gilly, Titan, Cocker n Journey! 

    Have read that book - surviving triple negative ..when i got diagnosed a few months ago. Wonderfully written.

    Now some tumors have "Lymphocytic Infiltrate" ...I guess if we check our pathology reports we can get to know.

    For such tumors vaccines which boost the immune system should work well. It seems, for women who have a good amount of Lymphocytic Infiltrate in their original tumors, they have a lower risk of getting it again in the form of metastasis. 

    but why do some women have tumor lymphocytic infiltrate and some women donot is a question. 

    i guess all of you whose pathology report says dense lymphocytic infiltrate/ lymphopasmocytic infiltrate, should consider this a good sign. 

  • JAN69
    JAN69 Member Posts: 947
    edited February 2014

    A quick pass through this thread tonight.  

    I was on Evista for many years (maybe 10 or 15 years) before my DX and then all through TXs.  Still got the dreaded phone call......you have breast cancer.  

    Jan

  • Cocker_Spaniel
    Cocker_Spaniel Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2014

    Titan here in NZ internal radiation has never been given for breast cancer only for cervical cancer.  It was tried at one time for ovarian cancer  but was deemed not to work.

    Ban Yep Titan's right  rads are a piece of cake compared to chemo.  Never had any side effects whatsoever from it, neither did I have tiredness.     

  • Cocker_Spaniel
    Cocker_Spaniel Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2014

    There is also a controlled trial on a new thin transparent silicone dressing which is applied on the skin from the first day of rads which prevents  skin reactions from rads. The dressings are free of chemicals, do not stick to the skin and allows stem cells of the skin to heal from any radiation damage.    This is great news for anyone with my skin because I am allergic to latex and if I was to burn there would be very little to help in the way of dressings.

  • momof2doxies
    momof2doxies Member Posts: 342
    edited February 2014

    http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/host-d...

    http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/host-d...

    I am all ways interested in anything from Oregon…it is my summer home. I will do some more research on this. Oregonians are interesting folk 

  • LanaM
    LanaM Member Posts: 142
    edited February 2014

    Looking for advice. I'm 3 wks post rads. I still have my port in.  I was going to have it taken out after I healed from rads.  Our local hospital is having a biggest loser type competition and I was chosen to participate. They had 100 applications and chose 8 contestants. I'm quite overweight and I'm really excited. I will have access to their dietician and personal trainer. Competition starts March 6th & now I'm wondering about my port. Will it interfere with my exercise? It doesn't bother me at all. Should I have it out now? Should I wait until after competition? Is there much healing time after removal? Will having it taken out interfere with my exercise/competition? Any thoughts or insight welcome! 

  • encyclias
    encyclias Member Posts: 302
    edited February 2014

    Wow, that's sounds like fun, as well as being productive, Lana!

    I still have my port in, since Oct 2012, and it hasn't caused any problem with my exercising; I do high-impact aerobics, dancercise, free weights, and have done them for most of my adult life.  I had spoken with my doctor a while back asking about when to remove my port; he said whenever I want.  I am so afraid of needing chemo again that I have delayed and delayed, but I told him I would do it next month -- and now I am kind of backing out. Loopy  But I expect it to be less difficult than having one put in, so I plan a day or two of caution when exercising.

    Good luck, Lana!  I hope you have fun and reach your goals.

    Carol

  • Cocker_Spaniel
    Cocker_Spaniel Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2014

    Encyclias having your port out is a breeze.  I wanted to keep mine like you in case it was needed again but I didn't feel a thing.  Just two small injections, one stung just a little, and it was out in a flash.  Kept a dressing on for two days and that was it.

    Lana congratulations on being a contestant on the Biggest Loser Competition.  My manager did that a couple of years ago through the local radio station and it was great for all of us to cheer all the ladies on to lose weight.  She came second which was great.   

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited April 2014

    Ban - I consulted with two tumor boards to help guide me in the decision.

    John Hopkins Breast Cancer Center has a free question-and-answer service, and they provide answers to a wide range of topics from symptoms of breast cancer, to breast cancer diagnosis, question about breast cancer risk, mastectomy, radiation and many other topics. Ask An Expert: John Hopkins Breast Cancer: http://www.hopkinsbreastcenter.org/services/ask_ex...

    I'm also attaching an article from the Cancer Society that summarizes a study which compared two types of radiation therapy:  a type of brachytherapy vs whole breast irradiation.

    "Study Compares Different Types of Radiation for Breast Cancer"

    http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/study-compares-d...

    I hope this information is helpful for you!

  • kathyrnn
    kathyrnn Member Posts: 393
    edited February 2014

    Lana - Congratulations!  You must be so excited.

    Well ladies I'm still alive and well.  The only casualty was some chunks of hair. (No fair doing that to the chemo lady with very thin hair!). For some reason my hair tangled into the helmet liner and I lost a few chunks (didn't happen to anyone else, lol.  Took it as a sign of God's sense of humor).  It was the bomb ladies!  The instructor told us after that he assumed because of our age, that we might need more help than the younger flyers.  He was very surprised when it was Carol and I that flew like birds with very little assistance.  (Us old people listen to instructions).  The best part was the end of the second flight.  The instructor asks you before you go in if you want to attempt this.  When he asked me I told him "you bet your ass I want to!" They ramp up the wind speed and the instructor helps you go into a spin and you shoot up and down in the tunnel.  We both had a phenomenal time! The only warning I would give is that it's tough on the shoulders. My left one is not happy with me today!

    Titan - she has spidey senses.....she'd know I was off at the casino.

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    Jianchi and Bluebird:

    Here is some more
    information on Evista.

    If you are just
    starting your TNBC research in general, you'll start to come across articles
    referencing EGFR ... it has been discovered that a large portion of TNBC tumors
    have an over expression of EGFR, but there is some debate on what to set the
    standard assay levels at. If there is a way to find out your EGFR level that
    might be helpful as well, and then you can ask your doctor if Evsita works best
    on those with a higher EGFR. 

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23842642  “Raloxifene
    reduces triple-negative breast cancer tumor growth and decreases EGFR
    expression”

    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/meet...(this study is not about a
    specific treatment, but summarizes the prognosis of those patients who have
    over expression of the EGFR and its association with prognosis)

    https://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/16... "For example, as already described, there is still no
    agreement on standard assay or expression levels for epidermal growth factor
    receptor (EGFR).
    "

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    Oh Kathyrnn - what a vivid picture!  That sounds like so much fun!  :o)

    Lana - congrats on being chosen for the competition! You have got to be so excited for this.  Did your Onc not schedule for your port to be removed after your final chemo?  Did you guys have any discussion about it?  If your Onc has mentioned that you could have the port removed after your final chemo, then by all means I would not hesitate to remove it. The removal surgery was of less time than insertion and healing time was pretty quick. I had the steri strips.  I think those still have to fall off naturally, which they usually say starts to fall off in 7-10 days.  If I was going to be doing exercises, and getting adjusted back to life and moving forward, I would get the port removed as soon as possible.  Depending on when you could get it scheduled would depend on if it would interfere with the competition as far as healing purposes.  I think I had lifting restrictions for 7 or 10 days.  Make a call on Monday and inquire and see if you can get it removed this week!

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014



    If you are new to the boards, here is an excellent article.  I have found the information so helpful in it, and I've modified several things in my daily life, as suggested in this article.  I've listed the various topics in the article below and the direct link to it.

    I've decided to post it again, because with how we all want to get on a targeted therapy, there is still much data that shows we can lower our risk with other changes in our life, so I wanted to share this information.  I really have referred to the article a lot, because I like how it describes how something works, so it gives the reasoning behind things. It also references reduction % for amounts of exercise, which I felt was a really good guide in setting up a weekly exercise goal for myself.

    Practical Principles of Some Lifestyle-Oriented Breast Cancer Risk Reduction

    http://nosurrenderbreastcancerhelp.org/page93/page100/page100.html

    Topics:

    Dietary Restriction,  A Better Way to Diet: 
    Intermittent Energy Restriction (IER), Insulin Control, Glycemic Control, Physical Activity/Exercise (PE)

    Caloric Restriction + MCM Diet
    adherence + Resistance Training + high-PE (high MET hours aerobic physical
    exercise), and How to Think About
    Environmental Tumorigenic Exposure Reduction


  • encyclias
    encyclias Member Posts: 302
    edited February 2014

    Cocker, thanks for the reassurance about port removal.  I do not do well with sedation, and had the most miserable experience when the port was put in.  This time I demanded just a local anesthetic.

    Sad

    Carol

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    Regarding the post on the Lymphocytic Infiltrating Tumor

    "Diagnostic and Therapeutic Implications of Tumor-Infiltrating Lymphocytes in Breast Cancer"

    http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/31/7/836.full

    Two things were interesting in this article:  "... it is impressive that in the Loi et al study,2 the 5-year disease-free survival rate of those with lymphocytic infiltration is 92%" (referring to TNBC)

    "Evaluation of tumor-associated lymphocytes by standard hematoxylin and eosin staining is extremely inexpensive and can be performed easily in the setting of the routine histopathological evaluation. Considering that medullary breast cancer is an old pathology concept and that tumor-associated lymphocytes are also relevant for BRCA-mutation–associated breast cancer, pathologists should perhaps get used to reporting this parameter as a part of the standard histological description of breast cancer."

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    Some helpful books:

    1. The Cancer Fighting Kitchen:   http://www.amazon.com/The-Cancer-Fighting-Kitchen...

    2. Crazy Sexy Diet:  http://www.amazon.com/Crazy-Sexy-Diet-Veggies-Ign...

    This is who the author of this book is:  Kris Carr

    "February 14, 2003, Carr was diagnosed with an extremely rare and incurable Stage IV cancer called epithelioid hemangioendothelioma
    affecting her liver and her lungs. With the slow-moving nature of her
    tumors, Carr decided to take what she calls a "watch and live" approach.
    After her diagnosis, she turned to nutrition to boost her immune system
    and increase her longevity. She also decided to make a documentary film
    about her journey with cancer."

    3. The 22 Non-Negotiable Laws of Wellness 

    http://www.amazon.com/22-Non-Negotiable-Laws-Welln...

  • FierceBluebird
    FierceBluebird Member Posts: 758
    edited February 2014

    Kathryn, that sounds like so much fun!  Sorry to hear you lost some hair with the helmet! 

    Lana, good luck with your goal and competition! I really need to start a program of sometime. As of right now I'm still sleeping much of the time due to my side effects from radiation. I had the MD Anderson protocol 3D gaited breath holding radiation. If you go this route, be sure to go to a place that has experience with it.I had a miserable time at my local hospital since I was the FIRST patent they treated this way.  But overall I'm glad I went with their protocol. 

    InspiredbyDolce, thanks so much for all the information and links you posted. It's nice having research handy. 

    For anyone interested in the mushroom capsules, it is the brand that momoftwodoxies posted. I started out buying from FungiPerfecti, then Vitacost, but now buy from Amazon since they have the best prices. Turkey Tail:  http://www.amazon.com/Host-Defense-Fungi-Perfecti-capsules/dp/B0053DR1EM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393200779&sr=8-1&keywords=fungi+perfecti+turkey+tail

    Maitake: http://www.amazon.com/Fungi-Perfecti-Defense-Maitake-Capsules/dp/B0031CBNYG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393200899&sr=8-1&keywords=fungi+perfecti+maitake

    I currently take a combination of capsule of mushrooms for overall general immunity. (It has turkey tail and maitake in it) http://www.amazon.com/Fungi-Perfecti-Community-Vegetarian-Capsules/dp/B002WJ1BZK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393201214&sr=8-1&keywords=mycommunity

    Here's a video of Paul Stamets giving a TED talk regarding his mother's breast cancer:

    http://www.bastyr.edu/news/general-news-home-page/2013/09/ted-talk-turkey-tail-helped-my-mother-through-cancer

    Dr. Weil article:

    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400904/Turkey-Tail-Mushrooms-for-Cancer-Treatment.html

  • mags20487
    mags20487 Member Posts: 1,591
    edited February 2014

    I miss you all so much...have been taking a little break from all of this.  

    Noni...goosebumps from your inspiring story

    ladies stay strong during treatments!  it does get better

    fighter...thinking of you as you continue to fight this monster within 

    I have decided that I will put my continuing recon on hold for just a little bit.  I just do not want to deal with drains and recovery and believe that my hubs could use a break from it all too.  Today I wore the shirt I had on the day the doc said those fateful words.  It has been sitting in my closet on the end of a rack.  I look at it everyday and did not want to wear it for fear the memories would overtake me.  But today I felt powerful and pulled it out, put it on and wore it to work all day.  I was like I had control over something else in my life again.  Kiss my a**  breast cancer....so stupid but none the less empowering.  

    Love and kisses

    Mags

  • Cocker_Spaniel
    Cocker_Spaniel Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2014

    Missed you too Mag's.  I agree,  we don't need or want memories of that time.  Today the new stronger Mag's, has climbed another mountain by putting the shirt on and saying "up yours cancer". It's time to start living and see just what life has in store for us.  Later on you may want to reconsider  and that's ok as long as it's at your pace.  Too much to see and do in life to keep looking back and we need to see what precious moments  are still out there for us,  not cancer ones.   Go and do something nice with that old feller of yours and so will I.

    In time hopefully all of our newbies will come to this stage.     

  • BanR
    BanR Member Posts: 289
    edited February 2014

    For all those who have a sweet tooth... i guess just a little bit of sugar everyday is ok. Check this link

    http://www.cancer.ca/en/prevention-and-screening/b...

    also check this out for popular myths related to cancer. It mentions sugar too.

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/canc...

    In fact AHA recommends:

    • 6 teaspoons of sugar (100 calories) per day for women
    • 9 teaspoons of sugar (150 calories) per day for men

    Bluebird and Inspired: Thanks for the links.

    Inspired:: Regarding Lymphocytic Infiltration, Google gives mixed reports. Some studies say that its a sign of good prognosis while some studies say that it could lead to tumor progression and metastasis. 

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2014

    BanR - Thanks for the update on the lymphocytic infiltration.  I actually had never heard of it, until you mentioned it, so I don't know much about the current theories involved with that. As with many things we research, studies reflect pros and cons.

    Now for sugar, there are 4 calories in 1 gram of sugar and many things you would not normally think would have sugar, do.  Examples:  bread, ketchup, salsa, etc.  So when you think about allowing yourself sugar (if you are planning on restricting it to a certain level) consider factoring in a buffer zone for the sugar that is hidden in stuff that you might not know about.  But you are right, we do need a certain amount of glucose for our body.

    I do eat sugar every day.  I get these 'cat cookies' or 'animal cracker (organic)' from Trader Joes.  One serving is 17 cookies, and with only 1.5 grams of fat and 6 grams of sugar (that is barely a little over one teaspoon).  I sprinkle them along throughout the day, so I don't feel so deprived!! Someone on these boards told me about them.  I will also have fruit, but that's a natural sugar. And I will have organic dark chocolate (usually one square at night) with my hot green tea, but one square is only 1/12 of one serving! You can find all different types of low sugar low fat snacks if you go to a health store.

    Also, I highly recommend downloading the Fooducate App.  It scans the barcode on each product at a store and gives you an A-F rating.  It will also give you alternatives to the product you scanned in an effort to help you choose one with a higher grade.  Someone told me about the Trader Joe's cinnamon bread, so I scanned it, and it had like a B or C rating.  I clicked on "alternatives" and it gave me the Ezekel Cinnamon Bread at an A- rating!  So that is what I got instead and have been buying it ever since.  I totally love the Fooducate App!  It will help you make better choices.

    I cut out Diet Soft Drink and Coffee when I got dx'd.  Now I drink only water and green tea.  But sometimes I will go through McDonalds ($1 for Lg Tea!) and instead of unsweet tea, sometimes I will ask them to do half-sweet and half-unsweet mixed together.  That way I get a little sweetness but not too much.  At home I drink my hot organic green tea all day long, without sugar. It took a while.  At first I started with a pack of sugar (one teaspoon) and then I gradually weaned myself off of it.



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