October 2013 Chemotherapy

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2014

    paloverde - I did not have any particular issues with chemo brain - the one thing I thought I did was lose the computer password sheet with the passwords to a gazillion things!  Turned out that my husband picked it up off the desk with the file for his car maintenance (which I have never touched) and re-filed it. I had to re-invent that wheel because we did not figure this out until about six months later!  I also played games - solitaire until I won, mah jongg until I won, puzzles, crosswords, etc., no matter how crappy I felt - I did it every day.  I did not continue working during chemo, partly because I had already had five surgeries in the couple of months prior to chemo, and also because in my workplace I had to make decisions that directly affected patients and could be life-threatening if I made a mistake - honestly, I didn't need the additional stress.  My MO was not enthusiastic about the bio-hazardous nature of my workplace either, so I took FMLA and long-term disability until a month after the last chemo.

  • Furfriend2
    Furfriend2 Member Posts: 299
    edited January 2014

    Hi Goosie & Welcome to BCO!

    Happy New Year Everyone let's make it a FF 2014!!!

    I have one Taxol left to go, Whoop Whoop!!!ThumbsUp.  Had a set back recently & yesterday started feeling a little more like myself, thank the Good Lord.  My Potassium took a serious nose dive & so did I, lol. Lost 3lbs as it was coming out both ends.  Seriously gross I knowWinking

    I too get bone pain with Taxol & take IB and Claritin to help.

    Big Hug to you gals {{{Hug}}} 

  • Goosie
    Goosie Member Posts: 5
    edited January 2014

    I did four A/c starting in October 2weeks apart.  Now have 12 weekly Taxol/ Herceptin. It does sound like we are on the same program. How have your side effects been?


  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited January 2014

    Furfriend -- Yay, almost finished!!!!  Will you then proceed to rads?  

    Thought I would check in -- just in case it helps to look ahead to post-Chemoland -- I am 3 weeks out from last chemo, and feeling pretty normal.  Taste is completely back, YAY!!  I was so pleased that I ate way too many Christmas cookies, but still lost some weight over the holiday (probably water plus steroids weight).   Hair has sprouted on my head, but no signs of life from other hair loss areas.  My toes are peeling (weird) but the neuropathy has eased to just a little occasional numbness in two toes.  My skin has been really dry, but after experimenting with a few creams, I settled on one with a lot of Shea butter, which is helping.  

    Pam & Travlmom -- We will be starting rads about the same time.  I will be starting around 1/15.  I have my treatment planning appointment on Friday with the RO, and they say I will start getting zapped the following week.  I started a winter 2014 rads thread -- another great group of BCO sisters -- come join us!

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited January 2014

    Goosie

     my side effects with A&C were rough, specially the Neulasta shot. How about you? But with Taxol (& Herceptin) I am feeling better. Some bone pain & tiredness for 2-3 days is about all.  I was anemic too during Nov so that fatigue was killer.

    Though I would love for this 3 month runny bloody nose to end!

     I think my last #12 Taxol will be Feb 4. I will be happy to be done with Taxol but with surgery, rads & still having Herceptin infusions looming it won't be like *it's done*. ya know..

    Vintage Gal

  • Mikesgirl17
    Mikesgirl17 Member Posts: 260
    edited January 2014

    Hi ladies.  I have some questions about Taxol.  I have 1 more round of a/c and then on to Taxol.  My MO wants to do 12 weekly infusions.  It's ultimately up to me and I want to have as much advice as possible.  Can anyone tell me about their experience with 12 weeks and also with dose dense every other week for 4 rounds.  Also, are there any supplements you would suggest.  I am taking vitamin b 12 right now, but heard people take b 6 100mg while on taxol.  Also, I will be icing my feet and hands during infusions because I heard that it can help reduce chances of neuropathy.  Has anyone tried that?  Thanks ladies.

  • 70charger
    70charger Member Posts: 963
    edited January 2014

    High Five Deb!

  • MsJean63
    MsJean63 Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2014

    Mikesgirl. I will be doing #6 of 12 taxol this week.  My worst SE have been a bloody nose and hot flashes.  The only thing I'm doing is painting my nails blue and my nails have been fine so far.  I iced my mouth during the AC push, but not since then.  I don't know if doing DD taxol causes more SE?  I wasn't given the option of DD taxol.  Depending on how far you have to travel can make a difference, because going every week is getting old even when I don't have far to travel.  Overall, I feel pretty normal, or as I say my new normal doing 12 taxol.  Taxol is much easier than doing DD AC.  Good luck.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited January 2014

    Hi Mikesgirl17

     I will be going Tuesday for Taxol #8. (12 weeks) For me it has been a much easier road to travel that the A&C. That was rough. (4 dose dense) (I am getting Herceptin too since i am HER2+)

     The side effects are minimal. I get a couple days of fatigue & bone pain, but nothing like the A&C or from the Neulasta shot. 

     No neuropathy except twice I got some weird lower facial tingling & numbess. Benadryl & Pepcid per MO took care of that. 

     I hope it is easy on you. We're all different but I have to say I feel pretty good & even though I am bald & there's not much left to my eyebrows & lashes I seem to be looking ok. 

    All the best to you.

    VintageGal

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited January 2014

    Yay Deb!!  Me too -- feels like baby hair, and I am so excited too!!!  

  • Macy187833
    Macy187833 Member Posts: 182
    edited January 2014

    @Pam: you will probably still be ahead of me with regards to starting rads, but I totally understand wanting to wait until spring/better weather to begin! I live in Michigan and will probably start the end of March at the earliest. I also have a long drive and I'm not sure how I am going to work that out. As it is, I haven't even met with a RO yet...still doing chemo (3 more tx's left, yay!). 

  • Pam358
    Pam358 Member Posts: 294
    edited January 2014

    Malakies - glad you could vent/rant - we all have those days!

    TeamKim - thanks for the news from post chemoland!  Thanks too for the info on the Winter Rads group, I've been reading the posts.

    Mikesgirl - I'm doing DD Taxol and have completed 3 txs.  Although there are side effects, I find that I do have some good days in between treatments as well.  The major SEs include - about three days of pain (days 3-5), some neuropathy in my fingers and toes and a lack of energy. I've had some other minor ones - a few more hot flashes, I broke out on my face for a few days, some diarrhea the first two rounds. 

  • uds17
    uds17 Member Posts: 183
    edited January 2014

    Omg, such intense muscle aches this round! I could barely get out of bed yesterday. Have any of you had these? Thankfully, today was a little better. 

    Hope you're all doing OK. 

    Xoxo 

  • axg24
    axg24 Member Posts: 12
    edited January 2014

    hi uds

    Yes I have had those bad muscle pain where it feels like your whole body gets pinned down on the bed. I was told it was due to neulasta so I have been taking Claritin day before neulasta shot for about a week and Tylenol for the pain.

    I had my last treatment on 1/2 and am lucky SEs are minimal so far!! It must be bacause MO reduced Taxotere by 20%, gave me steroid pills for 7 days due to the bad neuropathy I had from last cycle. Although I am still currently taking neurontin 3x a day for it.

    One thing new for me is that I am getting muscle tightness around my chest (mastectomy) area which makes me a little breathless. I try to do some arm stretches to sort of loosen it up because I also notice some lymphedema going on my arm. 

    TeamKim and Deb-excited about your hair growth. I am so looking forward to it! I wonder if tamoxifen will have any effect on it as I will be starting on that by the end of the month.

    Hope everyone's doing ok!

  • Pam358
    Pam358 Member Posts: 294
    edited January 2014

    Muscle pain for me too - but it's the Taxol for me and not the Neulasta. I had Neulasta shots for the 1st 4 treatments and didn't have the pain I'm having for the Taxol treatments. Feels like painful pulsating muscle spasms - hard to describe.

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited January 2014

    Pam, I am starting taxol on Monday.  How long does the pain last?  are there any other side effects younare having?  I have to take dexamethasone as a premed.  I am a little nervous about that.

  • checkers
    checkers Member Posts: 95
    edited January 2014

    Hello,

    I started T/C on Oct 3, 2013 and finished Dec 5, 2013. The first 2 rounds put me in the hospital with a 102 temp even with Neulasta! Last 2 rounds I was put on antibiotics so, no fever but developed edema instead and had to start Lasix. Gained 10-15lbs due to edema and steroids. My nails were fine during chemo but now have horizontal ridges and have become quite brittle. Limited nausea, meds helped a lot! I think the worst part was trying to stay hydrated when even water tasted funky. I start 30 rounds of radiation Jan 16, 2014 and have my port removed on Jan 30th.  My port site has been bruised since it was put in. Did anyone else experience port bruising?

    Forward Girls!

  • travlmom
    travlmom Member Posts: 90
    edited January 2014

    Pam - I have dealt with muscle spasms for the last 2 months. I have very low magnesium my MO said that the spasms were a sign of the low levels.  I have had to have 2 bags infused on the last 2 treatments - 6 grams (3 hours) the first time and 2 units of blood.  The last time 1/2 was 4 grams (2 hours).  I am now on 1200 mg magnesium daily.  I will have blood drawn on Thursday and see where my numbers are now.  I also am on potassium supplement 800 mg a day.  Those pills are so FREAKING huge and get soft quick that they now get stuck in my throat. 

  • Pam358
    Pam358 Member Posts: 294
    edited January 2014

    smrlvr - the pain lasts about 4 days - seems to start a couple days after my treatment. My last treatment was Thursday and pain started Saturday morning. Although the 1st and 4th days of the pain seem to be either winding up or down. I'm on day 4 now of pain, day #6 post treatment so we'll see if it lasts longer. I know that some people take a narcotic pain killer but since I can't take those (I get sick) I've been taking Ibuprofen every 6 hours. It doesn't take all the pain away but it makes a dent.  The pain has been the biggest side effect but I have also experienced some neuropathy in my fingers and toes. It hasn't prevented me from doing anything and although I think it's a little worse than in the begining it hasn't doubled or tripled with 3 treatments.  I've had some diarrhea, my face gets what looks like acne. (chemo nurse said that was from the Taxol) and I seem to have picked up a twitch in my eye the last couple of days. Also there have been some taste issues but I can still eat. I don't need to take as many meds for side effects as when I was getting A&C so I do feel more mentally alert.  I did the dexamethasone as a premed before going to Taxol my first time as well.  After I got through that treatment they just gave it to me when I got to the infusion center.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited January 2014

    I had muscle pain with Neulasta, like run over by a Mac truck while suffering from the Flu!

    I get some bone pain with Taxol, mostly knees.

  • naiviv
    naiviv Member Posts: 535
    edited January 2014

     Happy, Healthy and Blessed New Year to you all.

    Missed you guys. Trying to catch up on all threads, have been a bit quiet, Chemo # 4  together with a cold  knocked me on my tush. I'm still trying to get up and going. It seemed like all my SE's were competing for attention and first place still have a few trying to outdo themselves....I can't wait for this TCH part to end.

    On a positive note, I can join the chia pet club. The hair on my head is growing straight out, I would say I have about 1/2 inch at top back and sides a bit shorter. It came in all white. I colored it this morning. I used a 4th of the bottle and a cotton ball and 10 minutes later dark brown hair again. Now that it is darker you can tell it is not fully in, My 12 year old said , I look like a big baby. I guess I can deal with that. No hair anywhere else yet.

    Looking forward to reading about your holidays and how everyone is doing.

    New Year's Hug to all...

    Vivian

  • Bluegrassharp
    Bluegrassharp Member Posts: 96
    edited January 2014

    Paloverde -- I saw a post recently from PatAlameda that gave this ink to a webinar on recent research on chemo brain:

    http://blog.armyofwomen.org/2012/07/research-webinar-cognitive-and-emotional-effects-of-breast-cancer-study/

    I remembered your question and got curious, and I just finished listening to the presentation. The researcher summarizes the data and concludes that chemo brain is real; affects different people differently (no surprise there); is more often than not reversible and/or preventable; and offers practical suggestions for avoiding/treating symptoms. I'll be interested in what you -- and others -- think of the ideas.

    PatAlameda, thanks for the information!

  • paloverde
    paloverde Member Posts: 179
    edited January 2014

    Thanks PatAlameda and Bluegrassharp!

    Newbie with first AC
    treatment coming up next week, I have another question. My prescription
    insurance carrier, Caremark, will not cover Emend, presumably due to the
    expense. I was supposed to take Emend/Decadron/Zofran to prevent
    nausea. My MO team couldn't budge the insurance carrier so they will
    prescribe something else to replace the Emend.

    Question: Does Emend
    perform head-and-shoulders above all other anti-nausea meds, e.g. is it
    worth considering paying cash for it? Or have some of you had other
    anti-nausea combinations that were very successful for you?

    Thanks for any help, I'm trying not to get too stressed about it. You are all an inspiration!

  • lonnie713
    lonnie713 Member Posts: 236
    edited January 2014

    emend didn't make a big difference for me regarding nausea. I didn't do well with AC at all.  None of the drugs worked.  You might want to see how the first treatment goes first before spending the money.  If what they give you works, no need to spend the money.

    Taxol has been great for me.  I had my second treatment today, I feel really good. Very mild to no nausea.  I'm loving it, I've been able to workout and get back to a normal routine.  It feels so good. I hope you ladies are ok and experiencing minimal SE's.

  • relocatedtarheel
    relocatedtarheel Member Posts: 159
    edited January 2014

    lonnie-Me too!!! Had my 2nd treatment of taxol today too and knock wood, so far it has been heaven compared to A/C. I felt like I was on some horrible mind fogging drug on that. I never felt good. I had 3 days of bone pain wi th the first taxol but my mind was clear...it was great! Hoping this one qnd the next 2 are similar. 

  • Furfriend2
    Furfriend2 Member Posts: 299
    edited January 2014

    Deb, I want to look like a chia pet, LOLHappy

  • Furfriend2
    Furfriend2 Member Posts: 299
    edited January 2014

    Smrlvr,

    I do have joint/muscle pain from Taxol. Some neuropathy w/hand and feet as well.

    Monday is my LAST CHEMO- Happy Dance, hip hip HaPpY DaNcE!!!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2014

    paloverde - have them ask about Aloxi for IV pre-med instead of the Emend.

  • paloverde
    paloverde Member Posts: 179
    edited January 2014

    SpecialK that sounds like a great alternative and if they don't come up with that recommendation themselves, I'll bring it up.  I wasn't sure what the other options were for heading off delayed nausea up-front, but from what I've been reading, Aloxi is a good one.  Thanks!

  • Pam358
    Pam358 Member Posts: 294
    edited January 2014

    Paloverde - I had trouble with nausea during A&C.  Fortunately, I was able to get Emend, Dexamethasone and Aloxi in my premeds. But I also had additional meds I took once I left the infusion - compazine and reglan worked best for me but I know there are others. I also had some Zofran on hand but couldn't take it for a few days after I took the Aloxi - so they may not give you those two together. The person who was helpful figuring out a good combination was the hospital pharmacist, so if your team isn't familiar with other ideas ask them to check with the pharmacist. I usually had to start taking my meds just a short time after I got home. It's important to start meds when the nasuea starts and keep them up on a schedule. The treatment goes better if you are staying on top of it instead of trying to play catch up.  Best of Luck!

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