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  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited December 2013

    jodi,

    are you in canada? i am in the US.

    i am not gonna lie, i was a bit (understatement) upset my surgeon took 35 nodes out of my arm. now i have the potential to develop lymphedema. l really thought i was in an early stage and i didn't even bother to ask more about the full axillary dissection.

  • Jodi040812
    Jodi040812 Member Posts: 383
    edited December 2013

    June-  Louisiana;). Way down the other way lol!  That's why I am going to MD Anderson.  

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited December 2013

    Hey June, it's me that's in Canada, about an hour from Toronto. Are you saying he took all the lymph nodes? Really? Why on earth would he do that? Boy you must be in a lot of pain. I only had 7 out and it hurts. I thought they only did axillary dissections if they were sure the cancer had spread far into the lymph system. They can tell that with an SNB. 

    Awww poor you. Are you gently exercising the arm? I've heard that's good for it, to ward off lymphedemia and to regain mobility. 

    Well, like Jodi says, just keep swimming. Gentle (((hugs)))

  • Jodi040812
    Jodi040812 Member Posts: 383
    edited December 2013

    June- this may sound crazy, but my Dr. Said he did a clean sweep on my nodes on my arm as well.  That not everyone has the same number.  I had 9.  The most he said he had seen was over 50.   I had never heard of this before and thought it was a set thing.  My arm is getting better and better each day.  My elbow was numb a long time. It was very red because I didn't notice when I was rubbing it on things.  

    I am home for two days then have to drive 6 hours again, spend the night, chemo in morning and then drive 6 hours home.  My DH is calling tomorrow morning to see if MD Anderson will let us have the chemo closer to home and come in for the dr visits.  Although, if they get weird about it, it's just 14 weeks.  Sucks but I like looking at it that way.  14 weeks- countdown.  

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited December 2013

    red, Jodi,

    Thanks for telling me. Yes I also didn't know everyone got diff set of nodes. She removed 2/3. Bc two sentinel nodes were positive and she went ahead to remove all that the two sentinel branched out. I don't get it. 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited December 2013

    yes I am doing the exercise to help me to get back my arm to full range movement. Still hurt two weeks after surgery.

  • Jodi040812
    Jodi040812 Member Posts: 383
    edited January 2014

    Happy New Year!!  Here's our year to being cancer free!  This is going to be an epic year for each of us:).   I am already in bed because I am tired and do not feel like celebrating this year.  So selfish of me too:(. This year wasn't terrible until October.  This year I watched my newborn  go from rolling, crawling and walking.  I am blessed just pissed lol!  When I think about cancer, I see a mean woman.  I mean I see a bitch.  I really do visualize it that way.  And it makes me angry that anyone is trying to take me away from my girls!  I mean the baby just turned one.  Who in the hell??!? I see red.  I haven't lost my faith.  I haven't gotten angry at God- just cancer.  Every time I go to MD Anderson, I see all these people just like me or far worse.  There is just SO many people with cancer.  In my middle daughter's grade, there are 3 of us:(. Two dads and me all have a form of cancer. All of us have a 5 year old at the same school that only had 50 kindergartners!  One has chronic leukemia, one has lung which has spread to brain (non smoker who ran and was in excellent shape- some genetic I think) and me.  Crazy!  Then- after my dx on 11-14: one of my older neighbors had a lymph node in her neck, one of my sorority sisters has it on her tongue (non tobacco user) and our housekeeper the day before I found out that there was nothing on the bone X-ray, called us and said she had stage 4 liver and pancreas cancer and had 2-3 months to live.  Too much!  

    Good bye 2013!  You didn't do anything until the ending but you made up for the whole year. No one will miss you in my house.

    I can't wait to wake up tomorrow!  A fresh start!  A new year to conquer.  This year got me.  It took me by surprise.  I will not be fooled again.  I am making my own happiness and kicking cancer's butt on the way there!

    The end 2013-  you are over!

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    jodi,

    after i got cancer, i felt my life was so different, i am a lot more sensitive to what cancer actually means. i heard it all the time but i never gave it more thought. 

    2013 was a bitter sweet to me. it sure was very eventful. i am still kind of shock to face my own mortality at the age of 41. i never appreciate life itself and now i cherish my life and health. i just hope i'll remain grateful and positive about life.

    God bless us....

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited January 2014

    I must agree about 2013. It pretty much sucked.

    So I am looking forward to so much more for 2014. My DH was teasing me this morning, saying that I hadn't showered all year and I better get on it. Lol

    I still don't really know just how I feel about all this. I do know I feel bad for what you have gone through and pray that it gets better every day of 2014. 

    Jodi, I know what you mean about discovering so much cancer around you. Once I got my dx, it was like I was part of some guild or something and everyone started telling me about their experiences. A SIL with bc, a BIL with prostate, etc. My prayers go to them all.

    June, everybody seems to be talking about living every day to the fullest. I agree. I'm going to start an exercise program this year and look after myself and my family with smiles.

    Speaking of gratitude, I started a thread in humor and games called 100 days of Gratitude. Please feel free to join me there.

    Happy New Year and welcome 2014!

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    i wanted to start a blog about life in general after finding out i had cancer....it's very difficult to remain anonymous using the blogger...sigh

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited January 2014

    June, true but is it important to you to remain anonymous on this subject? Or do you worry about the lunatics out there. I am finding privacy less and less important. After all, at this point, so many strangers have looked at my naked body, I almost don't care. Lol

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    red - lol, i felt the same way about so many strangers looked at my naked body. and i also reached to a point that i don't care. i just un/dress in front of the nurse at the BS office...haha

    about the blog thing, yes i kind of want to remain anonymous. i haven't told a lot of people, i don't want them look at me funny. i don't really care for them but i felt i don't want them to invade my privacy...sounds weird isn't it. and another part is i don't want ppl at work to find out. i don't really like that pity look...

    i just created my blog on wordpress...so i can keep my privacy. i tried looking it up...but i couldn't find it, lol...i don't mind. i just want to put it out there, like putting a piece of message in a bottle and drop it in the ocean and see if i hear back...

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited January 2014

    I think it's a good idea June. So much is coming at us so fast it's very easy to forget things. We tend to remember traumatic things and let go of the nice things when under stress. This way you will have a record of the good and the bad. Go for it!!

  • Jodi040812
    Jodi040812 Member Posts: 383
    edited January 2014

    June- I am 39!  Our paths are very close!  Lulu was a surprise baby.  I think I cried for more weeks finding out I was PG then finding out about BC;). They suspect the estrogen surge from being pregnant was the last push.  It was gonna happen.  The cells were there just waiting for the last price of the puzzle.  That is how I think about it.  There was nothing we could do.  The cancer was always there in a dormant state or not complete. Some never get that last item and we did. My Dr said it is called triggers and that I wasn't far off on how it happens.  She said it usually is 5 triggers.  But you can be born with 3 and gradually add the others. That is their theory.  Interesting!  

    I am very grateful for time.  I read a post online saying after you get cancer, you can decide who you will be:

    More on and forget the past- these people will pick up where they left off.  They will treat that part of their life like a bad dream.  Not talk about and move on.  She said they often get new jobs where people don't know they even had cancer.  They do not want to be known as the cancer girl.

    Inspirational- talk about their journey and try to help others.  

    Red- i completely get your open book thing.   I feel that way.  You want to know how it is going?  Sure, I'll tell you people but you ask lol.  That is how I feel too!

    Had 3rd taxol today.  Drove 6 hours to Houston, slept, blood at 7:30 and chemo at 9.  Drove immediately back 6 hours and made home for 5:30.  I did very well.  My tummy has not attacked yet like it does.

     This is the round that people say the hair will go. I already cut my hair, but still have some.  I call Justin Beiber hair lol!!!  I will let you know when it goes;). I got my hat with hair ball cap.  It velcros to the inside and looks JUST like my hair I had.  It was long and I always wore it in a ponytail low that hung over my shoulder.  

    I type too much lol!   Pipers how are you doing?

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    Jodi, what an interesting info about the trigger. I don't know mine but I started soy milk a month before I felt the lump, may be the soy milk was nurturing the cancer cells...i also think the biggest trigger was my old job the evil fat boss who also drove someone jumped off the building. 

    And about what kind of person I want to be, I think I want to be the inspirational type. I want to help others like I was helped along this journey. This experience will make a new me and i want her to be a better person. The least I can do is to share and make someone feel she's not alone. My sis and my friend went out of their ways to help me....and a survivor also went out of her way to help as well. This is the part I want to remember. 

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited January 2014

    Hey guys, I got so busy dancing this week I forgot to check in.  I'm dancing every dance I can get to b/c in less than 2 wks now it will be over for awhile.  I have read your posts with interest though b/c we are all so different but in delightful ways.  Cancer has certainly brought out my philosophical side and made me take stock of what's really important and since the docs can't seem to agree about how bad it is, I've decided I'm just going to live life with as much enjoyment as possible b/c I may die on the table for all I know and I don't want to go out miserable.  Hey if you all are interested, here is a video of our group dancing and I come in starting at about 5 minutes, in the middle, and I'm wearing a black skirt and have blond hair and glasses.  See me dance!

    I have also spent more time over on the alternatives page b/c that's my style of dealing with this.  I'm a slightly hippie new-age type who likes to do things naturally as much as possible and I've bought boatloads of vitamins, supplements, and am even trying the ketogenic diet. (Have a terrible sweets addiction.)  I figure it can't hurt and might help and if nothing else a lot of that stuff will strengthen my body against the effects of chemo and even boost the chemo.  I'll decide after surgery what I'll do about chemo though.  The main thing about looking up alternatives though is that it makes me feel empowered and I think that's more important than anything else right now.  Studies have actually shown that feeling empowered, all by itself, will boost the effects of the treatment.  This is not everyone's path though.  I also found out that the break-up of an important relationship (not including death) will raise your chances of getting BC within the next 5 years by 50%  And exactly 5 years ago my husband of 23 years dropped the bomb in a rather spectacular way.  I've reached the point where I'm happy to be single most days but it took a lot of sadness to get here.  I got this out of a great book I'd like to recommend to all of you:  Anticancer: a New Way of Life This is actually one of the better books I've ever read on anything, and that's saying a lot b/c I'm a bookworm.  It is very inspirational and then you all can spread the inspiration.  

    Jodi, I love that you are getting mad!  It's not my style, but I have the feeling that this energy will carry you thru this and beyond.  I don't get mad often but when I do, I get sooo much done and you will too.  My cancer is just just pathetic, ugly, and lumpy and I almost feel bad about kicking her out,  but yours is a bitch.  They both have to go though.  How funny.  I can't imagine that MD Anderson will get upset about you wanting to take tx closer to home--I have the same deal and they completely understood.  They realize that people have lives to live.  

    Red, I love reading about you and your husband--it sounds like you have a wonderful relationship and I think you're lucky that way--he will carry you thru the tough spots and then you'll be there for him if and when things go wrong, but let's make that 20 years down the road.  I agree with you that gratitude is so important--it's what got me thru the darkest days of the last 5 years and I came out so much stronger and attribute most of that to gratitude.  I like to do my gratitude exercise in the am when I wake up in my nice comfortable bed b/c it's so easy to be grateful for the bed and my little dog lying next to me.  And then I just expand outward.  I've even learned to be grateful to my ex for certain things and thought of a new one just the other day--I'm trying to hold on to that feeling.  

    June, I know what you mean about not wanting to make things too known--I've told people I'm closer to and couldn't keep it a secret at the school I teach at--one of the kids happened on me one day just crying my eyes out in the classroom after school, before the dx even, and it scared him to death b/c I was sobbing so violently.  I had to tell the kids and this is a small town.  I didn't want it on FB though and didn't tell many fellow dancers b/c I don't want them to shy away or worry they'll hurt me.  I've found that the more I talk about it the more real it gets and I am more than my cancer so when folks ask, I say a little and then change the subject.  Also, when people offer to help, I do think of some small thing they can do b/c it makes them feel good to do it.  My one friend said she will kill me if I don't let her help so I'm having her drive me the 2-1/2 hours home after surgery.  

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    pipers - the dance seemed fun. It's so important for us to find joy in life. I am going to start my photo log soon. I used to do a lot of photography.

    I am still going yoyo about chemo. Just talked to a friend who is not pro chemo. The fact that we had cancer was bc our immune was out of wrack and chemo is going to destroy our immune system and overall health even tho temporarily. Sigh....never been this loss in my life like this. 

  • Jodi040812
    Jodi040812 Member Posts: 383
    edited January 2014
    • Pipers- MDA said I could have it closer, but would have to have a local dr. Um- no thanks!  I am surroundedby idiots up here in NE LA:( No one up here I can trust with my life.  I could go to Baton Rouge, but it just seems like I'll suck it up and fo to TX. (I live where Duck Dynasty is-really no joke!)
    • My hair is shedding a bit more.  Still waiting.  Hopefully it will happen before Tuesday bc I have to go back.  My DH is not coming this time my mom is.  DH would have his clippers to shave it, my mom might just cry.  Although I look like a teenage boy now, I really don't mind seeing it go.  It is that finally step that is hovering over me!  But!  I really don't want to lose my eyebrows and lashes!  Lashes especially bc the keep stuff out of your eyes!!
    • My blood counts were low on the red side.  I guess I need more iron?  Got almonds, spinach and some meat to eat before Tuesday.  I was anemic during pregnancy this last time too.  
    • Hit bulletins by mistake lol!!    Jodi
  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited January 2014

    Hello lovely ladies.

    Who was that gorgeous woman doing a little square dancing on that video. Looked like you were having a great time Pipers. Just when I thought I'd seen the last of you fade off the video, you'd pop up with another fellow. Lucky girl!  

    I looked into alternative medicines too. My bff brought me Native Tea (essiac) which I was drinking right up until I found out it was loaded with hormones. Be careful that what you eat and drink doesn't contain a lot of hormones.

    My husband is mostly my rock and occasionally a thorn in my side. Lol. He tries, but for some reason, his ultra sunny attitude can get on my nerves sometimes. Then I feel like yelling 'don't you get it? I have cancer. I need to be irradiated. I might need chemo. My hair will fall out, maybe my nails. It isn't over just because I had surgery'. Sigh. He told me yesterday he was happy because it was gone. I get it, but gee...

    Also Pipers, I've told a ton of people now, but not on FB. One or two girls figured out something was off and im'ed me, but that kind of general knowledge I don't do.

    Jodi, Pipers is right, your cancer is a bitch and if I could help you kick it to the curb I would. Maybe those Duck Dynasty guys could help me. They look burly. 

    Speaking of triggers, guess who was on hormones for the last two years? Yup, that'd be me. I didn't know anything about it. Read one article debunking the concept that hormones cause bc and went with that. 

    Sorry about your hair loss, does your kind of chemo hit the nails too? Back on day 1, when I was still cocky and confident I met a woman who had that happen. I fluffed it off cuz of course nothing like that was going to happen to me!!!! I didn't have bc, just a spot that worried the docs.

    June I am also still yoyoing on the chemo for all the same reasons you are. My immune system is actually doing a really great job right now. Haven't even caught the sniffles since all this began. Knock on wood. 

    And now for the great news. Drumroll please...... had to cancel my Feb vacation plans because it will fall into chemo, rads, etc time. So I looked at the calendar and said well, not doing anything for 3 weeks (till my BRCA2 comes back) and 2 weeks from now isn't month end or payroll...

    Looked online, called my DD, can you house and pet sit? Yes! Called my boss, can I have the time? Yes! Booked a trip to the Caribbean. YES!!!!!!!!! So you are now talking to one happy camper! 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    red - aw...that's gonna be fun. i am looking for a vacation as well. this holiday break was not a vacation. my deadline is end of jan. so depends on what i decide, i'll fly to FL for a long weekend in feb.

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited January 2014

    Going to an all inclusive resort we have been to once before. Cost - $488 plus tax each. Sweeeeet


  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    oh, that's a great deal red.

    i really look forward to a real break. 

    i'll go back to work tomorrow...not really ready actually but i guess it's good for me.

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited January 2014

    Yes. I've found work to be a mixed blessing. While it distracts my mind from what is happening in my medical life, I am distressed by the fact that I forget simple things that I have known forever. Boo.

    Hopefully, it will work out perfectly for you though. Sorry I kind of sounded like a bummer on the subject. I'm not forgetting as much as I am benefiting. Honest. {{{{huggles}}}}} 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    hello!! how's everyone? 

    work has been pretty tough for me. monday especially, i was tired right after lunch. tue was good and today wasn't so good. i had to run a few errands at lunch time then i was tired the whole afternoon.

    left work on time (i usually stay late) and i slept the whole way thru in the train....not sure how long i am going to feel like this...

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited January 2014

    Well, here goes. Good news and bad. I liked my MO, her name is name is Nadia. She spoke in layman's terms without being condescending. She's nice.

    Bad news - first question out of her mouth was, why had I chosen to have only 1 of the 4 tumors removed. I said, what 4 tumors? I am now the subject of a medical investigation. Apparently, the radiologist identified 4 cancer suspicious lumps and recommended biopsies on each, but they only did one, so that's what my BS operated on. Sigh.

    I think the tiredness goes away June, but you couldn't prove it by me. I don't sleep well at night, so I am tired all day. O well, this too shall pass.

    Love you girls. Hoping tomorrow is a great one for you. 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    Red - oh....did she talk to the BS afterwards? i am so sorry to hear it. i hope they'll get to the bottom of it soon.....

  • RedReading
    RedReading Member Posts: 2,143
    edited January 2014

    Yeah, they're doing an investigation to see what went wrong. I totally get Pipers comment about not wanting them chipping away at me. 

    Glad ur back at work. It can be a mixed blessing, but the distraction factor is huge and that's definitely worth a lot. 

    {{{{{huggles}}}}}

  • Jodi040812
    Jodi040812 Member Posts: 383
    edited January 2014

    Red-  I would be seeing red!! Please keep us posted!!  

    June-  are you just tired because or are you taking or getting meds?  You could be slightly anemic just because your body is working so hard.  I am as well, but bery very slight at his point.

    Round four down!  I am one third done with taxol at this point.  Hair still hanging on.  I kept telling myself that it will be this week. We will see!

    Today I wrote the most profound thing on my FB page.  My top ten things to not say to someone facing a critical illness, trauma, anything  that you could leave this Earth.  The response has been insane.  People are saying thank you for saying it. I have two friend with chronic ailments who basically admitted their illness and thanked me for my honesty.  It gave them courage to be honest as well.  I am going to put them on here for y'all.  Getting late now, but next time-  My top ten annoying traits and comments.  Maybe it will put a sweet smile on your faces:)

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    red - it's indeed mixed feelings. i feel useful by going to work. but can't focus for a long time. and tired easily. i made a mental note that i am going to take it easy this week. i've been away for more than two weeks and felt i've been away for months, can't remember where i left off.

    jodi - pls share when you can....i want to read it.

  • Jodi040812
    Jodi040812 Member Posts: 383
    edited January 2014

    This was my post:

    Advice- warning not usual upbeat from me:) Read on if you want a real lesson on how to deal with people facing life threatening diseases, accidents, or situations. I think some people might benefit from my experience so far in what I have heard or overheard people TRYING to help say:). I am trying to be blunt, but you know me- you will probably laugh at these because you will hear my voice saying it:). My personal top ten in no order just random thoughts in my brain.

    1. Do not bring up the fact that we could all go at anytime. Yes, technically that is true, but are you waking up everyday with the Grimm shadow over your shoulder? No, if you went, you would be blissfully unaware. Unfortunately, this is not the same. Don't say it. It only makes us see red.

    2. Do not reference your great flu of 2008 and how you overcame it. It is not the same even if you were hospitalized for dehydration.

    3. Do not bring up anything you read or saw on the internet, Dr. Oz, or the Doctors type shows. These things are either not true or they are paid to say them. Seriously, people in my situation have a specialist team of doctors already who are not on tv.

    4. Do not ignore or down play what is happening. The "aw they'll be alright". As I believe this for myself, trust me I see people everyday at MDA who are not "alright" however their friend sitting next to them is acting like this is a trip to a mall. Warning- I could also have a bad day lol. So I guess it is safe never to say this quote directly to me lol. I might go all kaboom if it was a frustrating day!

    5. PRAY. Tell them you are praying and do it. This is the most inspirational thing you can do at all. We feel it-

    Trust me!

    That should have been first but I was thinking of what not to do lol;)

    6. If and only if you have personally faced the Mortality Mountain, share your story with your friend. I said you. Not your great aunt twice removed on your father's side. If you were in a situation where the odds were not in your favor of being on the Earth much longer- share it. That is very uplifting. I look at my dad who has faced this mountain too many times to count and has spike a victory flag on top of it each time. I have his blood. But, free climbing this kind of mountain is scary and dangerous- Only professional advice needed apply.

    7. Watch over their loved ones, especially if they have children. Make sure not to have any conversations that those little ears can over hear that might frighten them. They know what is happening. They don't need more anxiety accidental overhearing something that Oprah said about what their parent is going through. be upbeat a distraction. Do not ask how their parent is. If they want to talk about them, listen. I mean really listen. Stop what you are doing and listen because for a child to start to talk about parent in a situation is big. You are having a moment with them. And they trust you so listen.

    8. I guess you should check on the spouse. Probably. Lol! They won't talk like the kids (if they are male), but listen if they do. If Spouse if female,

    Be there because she is gonna want to talk a lot about what is happening all the way around;)

    9. Do not expect personalized thank you notes. I wish I could sit down and write them. First, medication does not allow me to remember many that came and helped the first few weeks. Second, there is just so many at any given time to thank. Know in your heart that it is appreciated whatever was done, and it made a difference that day for that family. These situations all southern grace is thrown out the window. We are in survival

    Mode. Do accept a wide thank you that is sent out by family, email, or a FB post.

    Side note- personally I wish I could do this, but someone would get forgotten and we all know what would happen if one got a card and one did not in Monroe, LA lol! Just know you all are loved and appreciated dearly.

    10. Specifically for women in head trauma or cancer:

    HAIR. Do not ask when it will come back, how it will come back or "are you going to lose your hair?". We are fighting for our life people. It is just hair. That is what hats and wigs are for- let it be.

    Sidenote- personally, you know I will rock any wig any color anytime. However, I overheard this conversation on the chemo floor and it bugged me. A wife of a patient was bothering a female patient about her hair. Did it come back the same color,

    Texture etc. The patient was annoyed but politely answered. Then the lady goes on to talk about her niece who had breast cancer. And how her hair came back etc.

    It was at that moment I knew I needed to write this post. I needed at least my friends and family to not be the idiot in a hospital heckling other patients or their loved one lol.

    I hope this helped. I hope you weren't offended and if you were: you are guilty of something on my top ten! Insomnia has given me the time to finally write this out. Round four today: hoping not to overhear more! If I do, I'll let you know. I should start a list of dumb things said at MDA:). Happy hump day!

    Just Keep Swimming!!

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