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  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2013

    New2bc, I am also reading all the labels now. It is surprising how much &$:)/)&@ they put in all food we buy.

    Question: what do you ladies think about pHenomenal water? I just ordered it online. Is anybody taking it?

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013

    why is it said to be phenomenal?

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  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2013

    ph water. At phenomenalwater.com

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2013

    Headeast, I looked into that and concluded it wasn't worth it.

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  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2013

    thank you, Momine. K have several friends using alkaline water. They never had cancer. They use it because they use natural medicine and vitamins and got into the alkaline water because they say is healthier. ,any of them go to Life Extension stores, maybe they got into that there? I have to ask them more about it.

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2013

    Headeast, everything I have read said that it is basically quackery.

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  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2013

    Momine, I know! That is why  I am asking. I am trying to find out what is that all people without cancer in their lives have in common. I was organic, healthy, sports, no cancer in my family...

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013

    are the bottles it's in plastic?  I use spring water but the bottles are high grade plastic & I always think about that

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  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited December 2013

    Gosh, Headeast, that's what we're all trying to find out.  Most of us who are intrigued by this thread did most of the "right" things, yet still got hit.  A few internal processes have been identified as preventative: Reducing both body fat and circulating insulin.  Eating all the right things can't possibly hurt, but I haven't seen any studies that confirm that.  At the moment, I'm focusing on feeding my liver lots of nice, clear, water, and yellow and orange veggies.  I'm not sure if others will agree, but I'm beginning to think a superhealthy liver (shades of Hercule Poirot) might be a very good thing.

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013

    cardamon seeds (ground) & burdock root are good for the liver

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2013

    headeast, I honestly think it is a mistake to think that if only we do all the right things and find the correct magic tricks, the cancer will stay away. It is good to aim for a healthy lifestyle and pick the right treatments etc. I am not saying it is pointless. But in the end, we probably had some unlucky constellation of genetic predisposition, some sort of environmental factors and bingo! 

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  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited December 2013

    Cancer is an unfortunate by-product of being multi-cellular creatures.  The more complex the cellular structure, the more likely it is for genetic errors to occur.  As a radiologist friend of mine told me, "... if one lives long enough, one will develop cancer... it's inevitable..." 

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  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2013

    Agree with all. I don't want to become all crazy and stop living life, but was reading this thread and loved all the comments. I want to be sure I am doing all within my reach to prevent reoccurrence or a new cancer. Hopefully I already filled my C quota for the rest of my life!

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2013

    Headeast, you are not alone in that hope ;) I think we all get where you are coming from.

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited January 2014

    Goji/Wolfberry/Lycium barbarum-

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0163558...

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19373615

    http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/lycium

    Safety considerations 

    http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredie...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goji

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  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2014

    Thanks for the articles on goji berries, Light. Coincidentally I just ordered some online after reading about them in a book I got out of the library (Superfood Kitchen, a cookbook). They are pretty tasty. I think I'll throw them in my oatmeal in the morning. Really expensive, though!

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  • Scandophile
    Scandophile Member Posts: 71
    edited January 2014

    Good Intel Light!  I throw dried Goji berries in my salad with some walnuts - very tasty combo!  I understand the cautions, as with most things, you just don't go crazy with it.

     


     

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited January 2014

    Falleaves and Scandophile, I think the juice is more concentrated than the berries.

    Also, I wanted to invite anyone still interested in using iodine to continue their discussions here. Everyone has to make their own very personal decisions regarding their own health. Here we can avoid any unnecessary controversy that disrupts the positive exchange of information. A cancer diagnosis is disruptive to the lives of all of us, and here we can hopefully remove ourselves from the distension that we have encountered on other forums.

    Please be mindful of the original post and the guidelines for this forum

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited January 2014

    Light....So happy to move the iodine here....Smile

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited January 2014

    Jojo,

    With 450,000 deaths in the world each year from bc and the number of diagnosis expected to increase, it tells me that the billions that has gone into pharmaceuticals and patenting new medications has not lead us closer to a cure, nor prevention. That is reality.

    I don't want to convince anyone to change their views or their choices, but I kept finding myself defending my own. You are correct that there is a double standard on these boards. If the women advocating for standard and supposedly "proven" conventional methods on these boards, were harassed and ridiculed by someone and questioned in a way that coerced them in to having to defend their own choices, the offender would be banned from this site. These ladies are all high fiving one another as if they are right for doing this, and that they have somehow won, but the reality, as I stated above still exists.

    Whether there is enough research based evidence for somebody else to choose an alternative treatment is really not my concern, to each his own, so I had to remove myself from that discussion, as it always boils down to a very personal choice. 

    I never thought I'd be defending lugols/iodine so passionately and I've had to reflect on why I bothered. First, I would not go to the conventional threads demanding that women prove to me that their medications are working, and prove to me that the amounts of the drugs they are taking are the right dosages and will keep them alive and well, posting rude and ridiculing pictures and commentary about their choices.  I consider that harassment and felt I had to stand up against that.  Secondly, I realized that I know now on a cellular level what lugols has done for me and my body. It has improved the quality of my life drastically. To me that goes beyond belief. Or I have at least become a believer in iodine,  based on my own very personal experience in regards to what happened to my body while using it.  Though I think that testing levels is a good thing, and I too feel iffy and cautious about some of the suggested dosages, I know it improved my health.  I also know now by the way my body feels, when my body has had too much or too little. Though not hard science,  I've come to figure it out. So, I realized it is not something that I can explain or convince anyone else, especially someone who has never used iodine. I don't have to be a doctor to know when I am sick and when I am well. That's all the proof I need. Not going to frustrate myself trying to communicate the value of iodine to people who will never choose to use it, unless it is made into a drug and prescribed by a doctor. But that will never happen because iodine will never be a drug, because it's a mineral. 

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited January 2014

    Good morning, Light!

    I completely agree with you and I want to commend you again for writing so beautifully!  I, at times, let my emotions get to me in my responses....LOL  I am just SO tired of defending myself and being questioned like I am a child!  They don't seem to 'get' that some of us are fine with our choices if there is not 10000% complete scientific proof.  I am always BAFFLED that they think it is fine with how much the cancer industry profits of us!  I think I will only be posting my findings on this thread from now on...

    I am constantly tweaking and researching the protocol I have designed for myself and (so far) seems to be working.  This is why I love the sharing of info from you wonderful gals!  I am so happy to be off the iodine thread I began as it totally felt like they were celebrating!


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  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    hi all,

    I want to join the community....

    I just met a oncologist last week and now I am back to work. I haven't decided on the treatment yet but I want to share a couple of experience I had with ppl I met.

    I met dr George Wong who didn't object to me having chemo until he took my pause and then told me I wasn't in a good shape to take a harsh treatment like chemo. He's helping me to get my body feel better. And I am taking his herbs.

    Second story I want to share is I met a friend of mine who shared some family history with me and recommend me not to go thru chemo. Her mom had BC and had a lumpectomy and had a recurrent 5 yrs later then she had a mastectomy. Then 20 yrs later the cancer came back and met to other organs. That only time she took chemo and didn't make it. Her husband also had cancer and she was objecting to chemo but he did it anyway. First treatment was good the tumor shrank but it didn't work afterwards and he passed away. She told me I should build up my own immune system instead of destroying it. Bc I will be left with nothing to defend my health. Oh she's a nurse if that matters and it matters to me. 

    I am quite torn. I am seeking a second opinion but I felt I will be coming here a lot. 

    Originally I didn't want to get chemo was for superifecial reasons but now when I face it in a matter of fact way....I don't know. I am still young I don't want to become someone who's a lot of complications health wise. I still want to do stuff. Why the medical field only make medicine that have so many side effects??!!

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited January 2014

    Hi there!  Welcome!

    Just an FYI, Dr. Wong will not tell you one way or the other for taking chemo.  he does not want to be held liable.

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited January 2014

    IODINE and Breast Cancer- Human Study

    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/meet...

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited January 2014

    Anyone here taking Oil Of Oregano?  I take it....tastes horrible but it is a great anti-parasitic/anti-bacterial and cox 2 inhibitor.

    http://www.colloidalsilversolutions.com/oreganoresearch.html

    http://dailyhealthpost.com/powerful-bacteria-killing-spice-with-4-times-the-antioxidants-of-blueberries/

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  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited January 2014

    jojo,

    Thanks for the welcome.

    Yes you are right, that's how I felt. But after taking the pause I asked him if he would take chemo if he was me. He said no. I am taking everything at a face value nowadays bc it's out health and nobody want to be taking responsibility for that. That's why I want to educate myself.

    There's a lot to learn about health and so many info out there. Feel like a full time job to learn all that lol

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited January 2014

    I love Dr. Wong! LOL

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited January 2014

    Juneping...Did he mention anything to u about diet?

    I am on his herbs as well..

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited January 2014

    An interesting exchange....just food for thought.

    http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl1a.htm

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  • hjpz
    hjpz Member Posts: 348
    edited January 2014

    Juneping - the decision to undergo chemo is 100% up to you.  I have had BC twice now and have passed on chemo both times because I saw what it did to my mother prior to her death from BC (yes I have heard over and over that the drugs are much better now etc... etc... so no need to tell me : ) . For me I prefer not to see the need to poison my otherwise healthy body when no Dr. can prove to me that my cancer has spread anywhere else in my body.   IMO the most important thing treatment wise is to make sure  you are 100% behind it.   I choose to believe 100% that I am cancer free after my surgery and it is now my job to take the best care of my body as I can.   I think the main thing is to make a decision about your treatment plan and stick with it. Being decisive always makes me feel better anyway.   

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