What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence?

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  • erinm216
    erinm216 Member Posts: 126
    edited December 2013

    I saw it under this thread. Way back in the beginning. Someone mentioned trying to stay under 21 BMI. 

  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited December 2013

    I have also seen this 20 BMI- I would need to lose a lot of weight- my current BMI is 23 and my obgyn had said you don't need to loose weight but don't gain any... now with breast cancer I am sure I could get to BMI of 20  but I am going to focus more on eating regular, healthy meals and doing it very slowly over several months and if I don't hit the magic 20 I will be headed in the right direction

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited December 2013

    Fortunately, I didn't physically attack my internist when he said "I could shave off a few ounces if I really wanted to".  My BMI is ~26 and he is not concerned.  I am fit and muscled, and most importantly, healthy.  What a doll!

    My oncologist tells me that she should be doing a LOT more of what I am doing and she is 20 years younger.  I do endurance cycling and x-country skiing events.

    My take is fit, not obese, and ready for anything. 

    I NEVER was close to 20.  I am BONY at 23-24.  Forget this one. NEXT...... - Claire

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited December 2013

    The issue is not a magic BMI, but, for those of us who are ER+, a reduction in body fat, especially that glob so many of us have around our waists.  I am absolutely thrilled that I have gotten below a BMI of 30, and am hopeful that I'll get to 25, although at the moment, I fear I might be heading back up.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2013

    BMI depends also on your build. Muscular men can clock in the obese range, even if they are super fit and lean. I have almost no muscle on my upper body. All my docs thought it was downright hilarious. They claimed I had the thinnest abdominal wall they had ever seen. This is not necessarily a good thing, because it is hard for me to swim and my back is bad. But it does also mean that my BMI tends to be on the lower end. At my very, very heaviest (just before DX) BMI was around 24. I lost a lot of weight with TX, so I am now below 20 BMI and holding steady around 19. Again, this is not, I think, typical and has mostly to do with my odd build.

    I think the most important thing is to eat a decent diet and get some exercise. Preferably quite a lot of exercise, even if it just walking.

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited December 2013

    I'm like Claire; I am downright gaunt when my BMI dips below 22.  I look unhealthy, I feel unhealthy, my energy is kaput.  I feel better (and get less ill) when my BMI hovers around 25.

  • TwoHobbies
    TwoHobbies Member Posts: 2,118
    edited December 2013

    It would seem to make sense to me that if fat makes estrogen that the leaner you are the better.  However I've never seen any study that shows that.  They all talk about weight gain after diagnosis and being between 18 and 24.9 BMI.  I was never over my BMI in my life and I still got breast cancer so if weight will make a difference in me, then it would have to be less overall fat, not just normal BMI.   

  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited December 2013

    Well, talking about BMI, I've been overweight for many years, and my BMI might be around 35, not sure exactly.  I've lost 30 lbs. since diagnosis, and am hoping it will help my long term outlook.  I think that the thing to consider is not just BMI, but the reason why you might have a high BMI and whether or not it contributes to cancer.  In my case, it turns out that I was insulin resistant - meaning that I used to be a grazer, eating every few hours, and my body would make insulin to address the food in my stomach - and eventually the cells became resistant to the insulin - and I think in my case the excess insulin was what contributed to me developing cancer, which is why I am not doing time restricted feeding where I only eat during an 8 hour window in the day and fast for the other 16 hours (per consultation with a nutritionist.)  so, you may be of a normal  BMI and be insulin resistant - or you may have a high BMI but have normal insulin response.... it is more complicated than just BMI.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2013

    flaviarose,

    I am insulin resistent also. Could you clarify your new plan for eating? You wrote that you are "not doing time restricted." What do you do? Thanks!!!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2013

    Dulci, I think that "not" was supposed to be "now."

    I think I was insulin resistant as well, although my BMI was within normal. Flavia's point is a good one. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2013

    I thought it was a typo, too, Momine, but just wanted to be sure. 

    My BMI is within the healthy range, but on the higher end. That was one of the many symptoms that did not fit with a typical PCOS person and caused me many years of being undiagnosed and misdiagnosed. 

    I really want to lose about 20 pounds but am finding it nearly impossible to lose any right now. I can manage to drop one pound with very careful eating over several days. Then if I have any bad carbs it comes right back in a minute!  I've been juicing the last few weeks. It's making a difference in how I feel, so maybe it will impact the weight eventually, too. 

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited December 2013

    This article caught my eye about sugar....http://www.rdmag.com/news/2013/12/role-sugar-uptake-breast-cancer-revealed


    Role of sugar uptake in breast cancer revealed


     

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited December 2013

    I was interested in doing intermittent fasting, as I read that it reduces insulin  and IGF-1 levels, but have not managed to do it since I was diagnosed last summer. I actually did a 3 day fast in 2012 and liked how I felt, but now, for the life of me I can not go very long without eating. I think maybe food is my security blanket! I haven't gained any weight, I think because I am exercising a lot, but I wish I could exercise a little more self control.

    Interesting article, cp418.

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited December 2013

    Fallleaves....I needed to eat post treatment.  A lot of protein to help heal.  It's only been recently that I could get by with something light for breakfast.

    I do have to say that with the low light and chilly days, I want winter comfort food.  So I made myself a pot roast in a gone-by bottle of red wine from the nonprofit.  It wasn't good to drink any more, but wonderful used up that way.  I was fried from what seemed like endless work the past three weeks.  I am DONE with the project that has been going on in some form or other since April.

    Fresh root veggies (and frozen peas for color) to go with the pot roast.

    The secret with making it through Christmas is to get out there and do physical stuff.  That gets you away from all the food, and helps burn up all the goodies you do eat.  I will be able to get in a run today prior to meeting a friend at the Danish bakery/coffee place.

    Just looked out....the most glorious sunrise today.  Sky and Puget Sound are lavender.  White peaks of the Olympic Mountains in the distance.  Life is good. - Claire

  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited December 2013

    Sorry, dulcigirl - the "not" was a mistake.  I AM doing time-restricted feeding - breakfast between 10 - 10:30, supper between 6 and 6:30 - no food after supper until next breakfast.  Drinking water outside feeding window.  Also black coffee in the a.m.  I will be going for blood work in January and hope to see that my fasting insulin levels are more where they need to be.

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited December 2013

    This makes me even more interested in the results of the Metformin clinical trial that I am participating in...


     

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2013

    Kay, I agree with you: "BTW- I don't think "alkalinity" has anything to do with stopping cancer. It's just that what's called an alkaline diet is almost exactly the same foods one need to eat to keep blood glucose level."

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2013

    I agree. That is the same basic plan that best manages my PCOS symptoms. 

    It sure would be interesting to read stats of cross-studies between bc and insulin resistance. 

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited December 2013

    I thought you all might enjoy this article from the NY Times:  Phytonutrients in wild foods vs supermarket foods

    It compares items from a typical produce section in the supermarket against their wild forebears and the difference is amazing.  For apples, they measured the total phytonutrients in mg/liter of juice and Ginger Gold has 15 mg/l while Sikkim Crab Apples have over 7000!  Now something tells me those crab apples don't taste nearly as good as even a Red Delicious (my least favorite) but if you were to throw some in with your daily smoothie or juice some into apple cider, you could probably stand it.  If I feel well enough this spring I'm def going to try growing some of these veggies and fruits and as usual I'll be trying to find morel mushrooms in April.  

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited December 2013

    Thanks Pipersdream, very interesting!

    I love this thread. I am trying so hard to be healthy. Veggies, fruits, smoothies and turmeric capsules for me. and I keep a calendar log to be sure I have my eight cups of water a day-I feel much better when I do.

    Happy holidays to all.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013

    just read in the time article a few weeks back on google:  if they "solved" cancer it would only add 3 years to the average lifespan & so hardly worth the trouble

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited December 2013

    The way I eat is a constantly moving target.  I read a lot of the dietary theories, and rarely do I find one that gets me enthused.  I'm about halfway through reading JJ Virgin's latest book, The Virgin Diet.  I give it a big thumbs up.  She figured out how to do an elimination diet in just 21 days.  I can't think of a single thing she's written in this book that I have disagreed with, and that's high praise coming from me. 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013

    the bit of the preview I read sounds correct, except I don't want to lose weight, I want to gain it

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited December 2013

    There's not much out there for how to gain weight -- not a topic in high demand.  I fix meals for my 86 yo mom, and I have a heck of a time trying to pack any pounds onto her, especially when I'm stingy with dessert. 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013

    yeah & if you don't eat meat.  the only animal fat I use is organic dairy & no cheese:  too much salt

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013

    & eggs & occasionally fish

  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited December 2013

    I am unable to attend this free webinar on the latest research on diet for breast cancer, but I thought some of you would be interested. If you attend, would love to hear what you thought and if there was any new important info.

    http://www.lbbc.org/Events/2014-01-16-Part-One-Nut...

  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited January 2014

    bump...

    I wasn't sure if everyone saw this. or if some were interested. It's on Jan. 16.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2014

    Light, I did see it and thanks. You have toregister though, and i wonder if it is open to the public.

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