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  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited December 2013


    thank you guys. As soon as my diverticulitis clears up and chemo SE let me eat and drink i am going to get focused here. :)

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  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited December 2013


    Just saw this conflicting study about selenium and diabetes risk: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/08/us-selenium-diabetes-risk-idUSBRE85718U20120608


    Maybe it's like the Vitamin E, good to get from foods, not so good from supplements?

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2013


    Thank you, Sunflowers!

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  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited December 2013


    I've been taking selenium since reading a double-blind placebo controlled study. One group received selenium, the other a placebo. After several years th ethical guidelines dictated they "unblind the study" before the study ended. They had to reveal the results to the participants because the results were so compelling it was considered unethical for the placebo takers not to be informed.


    The selenium takers were getting significantly less cancer than the placebo takers. Selenium lessened the incidence rate of many cancers but not skin cancer. Gotta find that study somewhere.

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited December 2013


    Falleaves, that was a very balanced article on selenium. Gives some good info. Thank you for posting!

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited December 2013


    Hi peacestrength, Look forward to hearing more from you.

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited December 2013

    I am taking 15,000 mg of Life Extension Vit D and K with iodine and my level has gone from 45 to 65.  I would like it higher.  It IS very important to balance the K with the D.  I used to take Green Pastures cod liver oil which is supposedly the best to take.  I need to return to taking that if the oil version is best. Falviarose, what brand does your naturopath recommend?

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited December 2013

    I am also very very interested in pancreatic enzymes.  I know Gonzalez has much success with these enzymes.  But, I have read conflicting things as well.  Suppposedly pancreatics eat cancer stem cells, though?

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited December 2013

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/nicholas-gonzalez-md-and-trophoblastic-theory-cancer

    I know Dr. Gonzalez can be controversial, but I feel there is some validity.  Just my feeling, though.  I know two women who are treated by his protocol and doing very well.

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited December 2013

    I thought this quote was interesting...

    One last point I am compelled to mention.  During my 30 year career as a
    radiologist much of my time was spent reading images of metastatic cancer on CAT scans.  One of the
    things I noticed was that I never witnessed the presence of metastatic cancer in
    patients who had pancreatic enzymes circulating freely in the bloodstream from
    acute or chronic diffuse pancreatitis.  Excluded of course was focal
    pancreatitis caused by an obstructed pancreatic duct due to a small pancreatic
    cancer.  Thus I had independently confirmed the major tenet of John Beard and
    Ernst Krebs many years before I even heard of the trophoblastic theory of
    cancer.

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited December 2013

    I wanted to ask a question about an earlier post...

    The research team tested ten known protective chemical nutrients found in foods like broccoli, grapes, apples, tofu, and turmeric root (a spice used in Indian curry) before settling upon six – Curcumin known as tumeric, Isoflavone from soybeans, Indo-3-Carbinol from cruciferous plants, C-phycocyanin from spirulina, Reservatrol from grapes, and Quercetin, a flavonoid present in fruits, vegetables, and tea. The researchers administered these six at bioavailable levels to both breast cancer and control cells. They tested the compounds individually and in combination. They found that the compounds were ineffective individually. When combined, though, the super cocktail suppressed breast cancer cell growth by more than 80%, inhibited migration and invasion, caused cell cycle arrest, and triggered the process leading to cell death resulting in the death of 100% of the breast cancer cells in the sample. The researchers observed no harmful effects on the control cells. Further analysis also identified several key genes, which could serve as markers to follow the progress of therapy."


    Does anyone know the dosages of each of these supps to take in combo?

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited December 2013


    jojo, thanks, can you tell us the source regarding the quote from the radiologist you posted about the enzymes? just so people can check it out for themselves?


    Sunflowers if you have that article about selenium and diabetes, might be good for everyone to see that as well. Thanks!

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited December 2013


    kayb- I actually supplement with selenium, but I'm very big on nutrition as well. I have just seen enough evidence about it's cancer fighting abilities to add it to my daily regimen. Haven't seen anything about it causing but though it seems to be correlated with diabetes. Would be interested though if someone has some info saying that it definitely does cause it. Something we all should be aware of. I do know it's a supplement to be very careful with. I think it can be very dangerous in high doses. One brand sells it in liquid form. Easy to get too much. please be careful everyone!

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited December 2013

    Light...It was in this article that I had posted...I have not investigated it further yet...pretty interesting.

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/nicholas-gonzalez-md-and-trophoblastic-theory-cancer

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited December 2013


    I agree - all the ingredients in DIM for example, you can get from the veggies themselves. Isn't that better?. My head is swimming from all the supplements mentioned on this site!


    I took some vitamin b12 due to being an 'almost" vegan. My next blood test showed the values were way, way over normal. The doc didn't even mention it though, but I stopped taking it.


    All I take now is calcium with D. No other supplements. I'm open to suggestions though. I will also ask my new internist when I see her next.

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited December 2013

    Any thoughts on this study?  I will admit, I did have an abortion at 18...something I am not proud of...makes me wonder.  scary.

    http://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/study-finds-alarming-increase-risk-breast-cancer-after-abortion/

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2013


    Here is an article that may be helpful: Abortion and Risk

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013


    my dear friend apparently cured lung cancer with gerson, surgery (some years on for that) reverse osmosis filter for his bad water, wisconsin has very bad water because of pesticide/herbicide/chemical fertilizer run-off), & enzymes. bromalin probably, juicing, he'd done that for many years too, has the expensive expresses juicer. still fine though my age many many, ie almost 30 years after diagnosis

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  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited December 2013


    She didn't recommend any specific brand of Vit. D, just not the dry kind. She likes Carlson Cod Liver oil. She also says to be careful about getting D level too high: "Moderately high levels of 25(OH)D, greater than 70 ng/ml (175 nmol/l) have been associated with bone loss, heart disease, and other soft tissue calcification. When chronic intake of excessive amounts of vitamin D raise serum 25(OH)D further, irreversible damage may occur. The optimal range of vitamin D is 40-60 ng/ml (100-150 nmol/l)." from this link: http://sunlightandvitamind.com/#Cautions





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  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited December 2013


    She didn't recommend any specific brand of Vit. D, just not the dry kind. She likes Carlson Cod Liver oil. She also says to be careful about getting D level too high: "Moderately high levels of 25(OH)D, greater than 70 ng/ml (175 nmol/l) have been associated with bone loss, heart disease, and other soft tissue calcification. When chronic intake of excessive amounts of vitamin D raise serum 25(OH)D further, irreversible damage may occur. The optimal range of vitamin D is 40-60 ng/ml (100-150 nmol/l)." from this link: http://sunlightandvitamind.com/#Cautions





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    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2013

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    edited December 2013

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited December 2013


    Hi Everyone, Flaviarose, thanks for providing that word of caution about the vita d. I take cod liver oil too.


    Sunflowers, thanks for that link, guess we have a lot to mull over regarding selenium. I wanted to let you know that I take bitter melon too for blood sugar. I'm glad you mentioned it. Here are some articles which indicate that it also kills hormone + breast cancer cells as well as triple neg. Do you take yours before or after eating?



    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20179194


    http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/bitter-melon


    http://www.examiner.com/article/bitter-melon-juice-demonstrates-strong-anti-cancer-effects

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  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2015

    From reading the previous discussions, I'm also interested in pancreatic enzymes.  My nautropathic encourages me to get my enzymes from raw or dehydrated foods - particularly juicing.  She isn't opposed to taking enzymes but still conflicting information regarding the use of them.  

    Anyone using them?  

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013


    I've been thinking a lot about a link someone posted here leading to comments about a study that opiates including natural endomorphs can cause cancer. I have no problem thinking that's probably correct about added opiates, but the natural ones? "all sugars are the same"? If that's true just another reason to stop eating milk products, (and poultry), & that sleep isn't good after all. I can't believe that. I feel so much better after a long sleep. I have been thinking to limit organic dairy to just before bedtime. my sister drinks a glass of milk before bed for easy sleep. I never figured out why until recently

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  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited December 2013


    I see a number of people have posted saying the information on this thread is overwhelming. That's the good news--and that's the bad news.



    It's the good news because several "alternative" approaches have been well-studied and there is material available on the best sources and dosing.


    It's the bad news because there's so much documenting material that it seems overwhelming!


    But keep in mind, there are only about 6-8 basic therapies most people should know about. A higher tier exists but those basic 6-8 are powerful. So if you just get your own list together it's doable and not expensive.

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2013


    I'm just beginning the rasberry,strawberry,cranberry, pecan, walnut combination. couldn't find organic strawberries & only dried organic cranberries which gum up the grinder some. looks tasty though. now to use it in my breakfast oatmeal

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  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited December 2013


    Natty, Yes it is overwhelming, and I certainly wouldn't suggest anyone go out and buy all of these supplements or any of them for that matter, just things to consider on the search for an alternative regimen that works for each person individually. Please share what you know about the 6-8 basic therapies. Sounds like important info.


    Abigal, Berries and nuts seem pretty harmless I eat pomegranates too. Here is some interesting info in regards to breast cancer and ellagic acid, found in walnuts, berries and pomegranates.


    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1014405730585


    http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/ellagic-acid


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15590271

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  • Scandophile
    Scandophile Member Posts: 71
    edited December 2013

    Hi All, Love this thread with fantastic info!! 

    Eating some nuts (variety) and berries is an everyday thing now. Super nutritious and yummy! Should have been doing that sooner - hind sight eh?!

    I am taking Beta 1, 3D Glucan as an immune system booster. I use the one from Transfer Point due to quality. I have not been sick a day since I started taking it last August and I am constantly around sick people (office).

    I take 3, 500mg capsules (500mg per 50lbs of body weight), as I am not yet in remission. Once in remission, I will drop dosage to 1 capsule for maintenance.

    Here is some info:

    http://www.betaglucan.org/

    http://www.beta13dglucan.org/betaglucantestimonials.html

    This one is very technical but worht a read also: http://www.jhoonline.org/content/2/1/25

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