I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
    edited November 2013


    I have a question. Is it traditional in the USA to put up a Christmas tree for Thanksgiving? Does that mean that the trees are all artificial or is there like here, a divide between those of us who don't think it is Christmas unless we have a balsam fir (insert favourite evergreen here) with all that it entails, including procuring, and figuring out how best to display its best side and those who have a standby artificial tree with designer decorations? That doesn't sound right. There is not supposed to be a value judgement in there. It is just different. My family isn't Christian but we still really enjoy most of the festive season, perhaps because it is a celebration at the darkest time of the year and we need the lights and each other.


    I have a brother who lives in Melbourne, Australia. He celebrates the fun of the season, but it is really a northern tradition that seems awkward in the context of that beautiful sunburned land. I travelled there a few years ago on Boxing Day. The Christmas tree in the airport and the decorations on the streetscapes seemed like they were imposed by someone from away who couldn't figure how to celebrate community without resorting to holidays from the north.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited November 2013


    I have to say the traditional Christmas trees, decoration, lights and pointsettias are very beautiful down south in Florida. I am looking forward to getting our new home decorated for the season next week.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2013


    I vote for Divali, when it comes to a festival of lights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwali


    On NBC nightly news, brian williams showed a clip of a house in Aussie Land - supposedly the MOS Xmas lights according to Guinness Book of Records - asked the Space Station to take a pic - if they could see it. They "tweeted" back they'd try.


    We'll see tonight whether they did.


  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2013


    Kay, I think it is individual for each family in the States. For example, my family didn't put up our Christmas tree until a week or two before the holiday. We aren't Christian either, but we always had a tree. Sometimes we got it on Christmas Eve because they were cheaper then. Now I like to get my tree about two weeks before the holiday. We go cut one at a "cut-your-own" farm out in the country. We don't have an arificial one - I like the smell of a real tree too much to go for the convenience. We get a white pine, which isn't popular because the branches are weak and the needles are long and fall all over everywhere. But they are the only kind I want because the other kinds make my hands swell up from the prickles from the needles.

  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
    edited November 2013


    I think my favourite tree was the year, when my kids were very young, we were going out to Calgary where most of my family lived for Christmas. If we put up a evergreen for them it would be a fire hazard. After all we couldn't take it down until after Christmas. So we put up a Christmas branch. It was a downed portion of a maple tree. The lights looked so beautiful and my daughters loved it. The next year they asked if we could have a Christmas branch again.


    Now we put up a balsam fir, really close to Christmas, even as late as Christmas Eve so we can leave it up until January 6. Hey even if you don't believe, you can drag the party out as long as possible. We have usually gone and cut them at a tree farm. But this year we bought 9.5 hectares of woodland just west of Peterborough with no real reason, except it was really, really pretty, and quiet. And there are some balsam firs growing there! I am looking forward to looking for the right tree on our own land.

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited November 2013


    Kay - that sounds magical being able to cut a tree from your own woods! A couple of years ago I lost patience with the real tree that started shedding right away and got a wee pretend tree that looks a little bigger put up on a table. Even fake, it doesn't go up till close to Christmas and comes down before New Year's. The gingerbread house that my grandchildren and I make, however, goes up a week or so before Christmas and routinely is crashed on New Year's Day just as it was all my growing up years.

    I think our Thanksgiving placed so much earlier than the American one makes it easier for us to defer the whole thing. The level of hype needed to keep the thing going for more than a month is much more in excitement or stress or whatever it becomes for each household than I want.


    I'm trying very hard to ignore "Black Friday" creeping into Canadian retail outfits encouraging us to shop madly starting now.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2013


    I want to share something with you all knowing some might think w-e-i-r-d, but as the process goes along I'm feeling better and better about my decision. I'm having Ms Boo autopsied. They never could tell me what was wrong with her..."probably cancer." I was told about the possibility of an autopsy to ultimately determine her illness, while she was still alive, but I out of hand dismissed it. The next morning, after taking her on that final trip to the Vet last Thursday, at home, I pondered what the local Vet had said to me after her euthanasia - probably some type of peritoneal cancer. I quickly got on the web and wondered if it could be mesotheliomia of the peritoneum - yes it could. I had asbestos removal at my house 3 years ago and the darn Contractors did nothing in mitigation measures. Above and beyond that, I always wondered if it could be her heart (with her previously dx'd heart murmur, 2 years before). This is me - I will always wonder.


    What just mystifies me about all of this is the bad information (or little help) I have gotten from the Big Vet and the little local Vet - "No, you cannot do an autopsy on a frozen body." Not true! Neither Vet could help me the day after on who, what, where other than "it's too late" or "if she had mesothelioma, it would have turned up on the Cytology." Well nothing turned up on the Cytology and the Vet still said cancer. Bad information all around. I called UC Davis and quickly got a name of a Pathologist. They have been wonderful, and atleast telling me that it will be very clear to them, including checking out her little heart.


    Ms Boo is in my freezer now, before I meet the guy 60 miles away (he is travelling through the town south) and pass her on to him. Oddly, it is so comforting to have her with me until Friday.


    I was the kid who always asked my mother, "What is there when space ends?" Answer "Only God knows." Me to mother - "That's a non-answer." I feel like I will be getting an answer about my Ms Boo. Yes, at a price, but still well worth it.


    I can't stand it when doctors give out limited and wrong information! Does this happen in the human world too? Gotta wonder.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2013


    Kam, I'm really glad you're doing this. Not only will it bring closure to your precious Ms Boo's transition, but you and Emma will know if the house you live in is dangerous. Very important information!


    Btw, I was that kid also. : )

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2013


    Kam - it will give you more peace of mind. Think you are very wise to do this. Hope you will sooner than you expect, be warmed by the memories of Ms Boo. Also want to acknowledge you for KNOWING your self, and what you need to do for yourself. Hard to live with the unknown, and I think this will make things smoother for you, fewer questions. Still so painful....sorry you & Ms Boo have had to go thru this.


    Happy Turkey day to all...

  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
    edited November 2013


    Unless you are the turkey! Happy American Thanksgiving to all who celebrate it. Mmm. Maybe a turkey stir fry tonight.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2013


    For DH, one DD and I it is a grain based fake turkey. But we still give thanks just like the carnivores!

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2013


    Happy thanksgiving to all!! Have a wonderful and peaceful day.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2013


    Kay - tee, hee....


    Happy Thanksgivukah to all. Special Day. Gratitude Day. Giving thanks, and good wishes and GOOD HEALTH to all.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2013


    Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2013


    Kam -- I congratulate you on wanting to get to the bottom of Ms Boo's reason for dying. Mesothelioma is an interesting theory with the asbestos factor. And besides, any findings will contribute to the knowledge base for vets re cats with similar symptoms.


    Update re Enjoyful: she's hanging in! Her best buddy Sampson bucked her because of severe back spasms, which are being attended to by a vet and chiropractor. Meanwhile, E is recuperating and getting ready for her trip to S. Africa.


    Happy Thanksgiving, y'all!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013


    Happy Thanksgiving!



  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013
  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited November 2013


    ((((((E))))))


    Happy Thanksgiving!

  • GatorGal
    GatorGal Member Posts: 2,550
    edited November 2013


    just posted on my FB timeline: I am thankful to be sitting in a hospital room at Washington hospital center with a husband who came through a quadruple bypass yesterday with flying colors. He's alert, talking and happy to have it over with. He gets soup instead of turkey but we're good with that, all things considered! Thanks for all the prayers and good wishes on his behalf!


    Kam, I would want to know as well! I agree with your decision!!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2013
  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited November 2013


    Kam.... when we had to put our cat Tiger to sleep, they just automatically did the autopsy.... I didn't know they would do that.... but it kind of gave me assurance that I did the right thing, at the right time.... He was just 14.... But his problems were with his heart..."the lining around his heart had cancer..." He got to the point, where he was in a lot of pain.....


    I had been taking him back and forth to the Vets.... but they said he was not going to get better.... so we just enjoyed him while we had him....


    I think the Vets wanted to know also, what had gone wrong.... maybe for learning purposes..... that's all I know....


    Wishing you a nice Thanksgiving....

  • Alyson
    Alyson Member Posts: 4,308
    edited November 2013


    To those in the US hope you are having a good day.


    I am about to head off to Sydney to meet the Aussie girls.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013
  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited November 2013


    Brenda Goodman's photo.


    Tim and I just before we sat down to dinner. Had a wonderful day with family.


    I am so grateful to have you all in my life.


    hugs,


    Bren

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2013


    Bren, you look just gorgeous, as usual! Tim looks very handsome too. I had a great time with the family today also! Life's good!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013

    Just checking in to say I hope everyone had a wonderful, wonderful day today.  I have been working long hours the past three days -- 8 a.m. to 9 to 10 p.m.  Not hard work.  Will go tomorrow until late and them maybe for a while on Saturday. 

    Had my first piece if Cranberry Pie today.....oh yum !!!  Funny, I've loved cranberries all my life but never, ever tired the pie.  Didn't know what I was missing.  Well, I'm to the point of barely seeing the page so I'm off to turn in.

    Jackie

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2013


    Bren - you look gorgeous and SO SKINNY!!!!! Handsome Tim ;)


    Blue - that bird is magnificent, anybody know what it is? Never saw anything like that before...


    so full of Turkey - but great Mark Bitmann recipe inNYTimes for turkey hash!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited November 2013


    Good Afternoon Peeps!


    Has everyone OD'd on turkey? Very quiet in our strange home today.


    My mom and I went shopping this morning. My first shopping trip ever on Black Friday. We had a blast. Went to Belk and I got 60% off the gifts for my son, DIL, and two grandsons. I usually send gift cards, but it was cheaper this year to actually buy gifts. For those of you not living in the south, Belk is a department store like Macys or May Company or even Penney's.


    Then we went to walmart. Both of us had our picture Christmas cards done and they were ready to be picked up. They turned out really cute. Because I live in such a small town, the stores weren't too crowded. We did get a Marshalls a couple of months ago ... that's about it at our local mall.


    Beautiful day today ... a balmy 46 degrees and thankfully no wind!


    Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving with those they love.


    hugs,


    Bren


    PS .. Thanks for the sweet compliments on the picture. That's the one that I used for my Christmas cards this year.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2013

    Happy Thanksgiving girls!!!

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