Tested negative but still developed cancer?

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BlueSky5
BlueSky5 Member Posts: 46


Has anyone had a relative who tested negative but still developed cancer? I have some doubts about the genetic testing. The doctors and genetic counselors have said that a strong family history is probably more telling than a genetic test. Genetic testing is still developing and there are genes and/or mutations that they have not discovered or that they do not understand the significance of. Does a negative really mean a person with a very high family history is not at any increased risk or might it be more complicated than that?

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited November 2013


    Hi BlueSky,


    From the main Breastcancer.org site's page on What to Do if Your Genetic Test Results Are Uncertain:


    "If your test and your family members’ test results are negative, but many young women in your family (younger than age 50) have been affected by breast and/or ovarian cancer, the cancer in your family could be due to an inherited genetic abnormality that has not yet been identified. The same holds true if your results were negative but you were unable to have a family member with cancer tested. In these cases, you still could be high-risk due to another genetic abnormality besides BRCA."


    For information on what steps you and other family members can take in this case, read more here.


    We hope this helps!


    --The Mods




  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited November 2013


    BlueSky, lots of people who test negative develop breast cancer. Most breast cancer - about 85% - 90% - is not genetic (or at least is not caused by any currently identified genetic mutations).


    Following up on the post from the Moderators, if there is a lot of breast cancer (and/or related cancers) in your family and a number of the people who have had these cancers have tested positive for a known genetic mutation, then it's a pretty safe bet that anyone in the family who tests negative will not be high risk. The negative test result will be considered a "true negative" and it will be good news for the person tested.


    On the other hand, if a number of the people in the family who've had breast cancer have all tested negative for the known mutations, then it's quite possible that it's an unknown mutation that is causing the cancer in the family. In that case, there is probably no point in having others in the family tested because it's highly likely that they too will test negative. This negative test result won't provide any information about whether or not these individuals may also have this unknown mutation that is causing all the cancer in the family, and therefore, whether or not they are high risk.


    And then, if there is a lot of cancer in the family but no one who's had cancer has ever been tested for any of the genetic mutations, then anyone else in the family who is tested and found to be negative will have what is called an "uninformed negative". Without knowing if any of the known mutations caused the cancer in the other family members, you can't know if this negative result is meaningful (because the others did have a known mutation and this individual doesn't) or not meaningful (because the others didn't have any known mutations so this individual might still have the same unknown mutation they they did). So in this case, the negative test result is good news but not as informative as you'd like.


    What's most important when there is a lot of cancer in a family is that someone who has had cancer should be tested first. That will provide information as to whether a known mutation is in the family. If it is, then there is a lot of value in having other family members tested to see if they carry that particular mutation. But if the person (or several people) with cancer tests negative, then there is less value in having others tested.

  • DiveCat
    DiveCat Member Posts: 968
    edited November 2013


    There is a difference between an uninformed negative, and a true negative.


    A true negative only can happen if there is an identifiable mutation in your family. Those who are affected by cancer carry a known deletrious/harmful mutation. If you for example were then negative for that mutation, you are more than likely to be at average risk. You are a true negative. This does not mean you are immune from a sporadic cancer, but that your cancer will not be a result of the genetic mutation in your family. There are families where a true negative person does still develop cancer. Remember that about 12% of women in North America will develop breast cancer, and around 90% of breast cancer IS sporadic (meaning no family hx of breast cancer) so sporadic cases can still exist in families with a mutation.


    An uninformed negative is either someone who has tested negative but has no way of knowing if there is a mutation in their family (no one who has been affected is willing to or iis alive to test) or is someone who comes from a family where affected family members have tested negative. It is known that BRCA 1 and 2 do not explain ALL hereditary breast and ovarian cancer, but they do explain about 90% of it. The other 10ish% is still an "unknown". It may be other BRCA1 or 2 mutations that have not yet been discovered. It may be mutations in CHEK2, STK11, and so on....or it may be a result of polygenic factors (many variants or unknown mutations working together). Being one of these people does NOT mean that your risk can be assumed to be "average", and your risk will be assessed based on your family history and personal factors.


    I am an uninformed negative in a family with a very strong cancer history, and my risk assessments have been around 40% (I have had 2 or 3 of them now) making me high risk according to clinical guidelines. This risk assessment is based on family history, personal history, breast cancer risk models, and various studies out there. Of course, this risk assessment is given to me by genetics experts, not my own self-assessment. One study by Dr. Narod for example (a Canadian study), that my Canadian genetic experts relied on, found that women in BRCA-negative families with 2 close relatives with dx under 50, or 3 close relatives of any age, had about a 40% risk.






    So, a genetic test is very telling in a couple different scenarios:


    1. You have affected relatives with a known harmful mutation; you test either negative to be a true negative, or positive to know you carry the mutation that causes cancer in your family (and most likely other families).


    2. You do not have affected relatives available to test; you test positive for a mutation KNOWN through testing of other families to increase risk (meaning you do not show up with a variant of uncertain significance, etc). For example, no one in your family may have tested, but you do test positive for BRCA1 185delAG, which is one of the three main founder mutations.


    If you do not have affected relatives who have tested/can test and you test negative, the results will not be informative. Similarly, if your affected relatives HAVE tested negative, there is no point in you really testing (but see my disclaimer at end of this paragraph). Whatever is causing the hereditary cancer in your family is not yet known. Important disclaimer: it should be noted research is ALWAYS going on and new mutations are being discovered (in BRCA and in other genes) so it is important to know WHAT exactly your relatives tested for, and discuss whether new testing would be beneficial for them or you with a genetics expert based on new advances in research/testing.


    Ultimately, you kind of need to decide whether genetic testing is a benefit to you and whether or not it will affect your own decision making or care guidelines and what you would do if either a positive OR negative result, and how such results could be interpreted. It is really best to talk to a genetic counselor as you make these decisions, including about whether or not testing is a benefit to you or something you wish to do, and what testing is appropriate.

  • BlueSky5
    BlueSky5 Member Posts: 46
    edited November 2013


    What about if some members test positive and others test negative? It seems some genetic counselors say that if some members test positive and others negative, that the negative members have no increased risk. I wonder if it is worth risking one's life on that belief?

  • DiveCat
    DiveCat Member Posts: 968
    edited November 2013


    BlueSky5...those who test negative for that mutation would be a TRUE NEGATIVE (another disclaimer: an exception may be if you were from an Ashkenazi family, where one was only tested against one known founder mutation that had been identified in the family. These families are more likely to have more than one mutation in the family bloodline from the 3 founder mutations, which is why reflex testing for the three mutations is usually offered).


    There is a very good amount of research to show that those who are true negatives really are NOT at increased risk at all, unlike their BRCA+ relatives. They are at average risk. They may still develop sporadic cancer, but the guidelines are to screen them and so forth according to the "average" guidelines for the general population....not as high risk. I don't know any genetic counselor that would say a true negative remains at increased risk, this would run contrary to what the research has indicated.

  • Mutd
    Mutd Member Posts: 148
    edited November 2013


    "that belief" has been tested by Dr. Steve Narod in a study. Only in special cases where there is a strong suspicion that the mutation may not explain the cancers in the past, then one may need special care for the future (rare families where several members with cancers have negative test results, or where there is strong history of cancer on both mother's and father's sides, so one may suspect that the picture is too complex to be explained by a single mutation)

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited November 2013

     

    Negative BRCA testing may not always imply lowered breast cancer risk

    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-11-negative-brca-imply-lowered-breast.html


  • kwing514
    kwing514 Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2013

    I have an interesting family history. My sister was diagnosed with breast CA at age 46, 10 years later 2012, mother was also diagnosed with breast CA, shockingly a week later another sister was diagnosed with uterine CA. Now on 9-11-13 I was diagnosed with breast CA. Genetic testing was a must in this case. All 3 sisters tested Negative for BRCA1 & BRCA2. 

    Throughout my journey I keep saying, "There has to be a genetic cause."

  • clarkjennifer
    clarkjennifer Member Posts: 15
    edited January 2014

    There is no genetic issue matters in the case of cancer. It can happen to anyone. Family history does not matters a lot, as i can say. If a person of a family is diagnosed with the cancer that does not mean all the generation from the person will be diagnosed of cancer. It is not complicated if diagnosed negative. 

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