I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited November 2013


    Kam .. your sweet baby is just adorable. I am so sorry your heart is breaking.


    hugs,


    Bren

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2013


    Kam, Ms Boo is just as adorable as I imagined her to be! So sorry for your grief, but you have beautiful memories of her.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2013


    Kam: Ms. Boo was beautiful. She had a particularly adorable face. TRy to remember all the love you gave her as well as what she gave you. You rescued her and gave her a loving home. Sending hugs.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013


    Back to our regularly scheduled program.............

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2013

    Got the best surprise this morning - up really early as usual - switched on the TV and they were showing the 50th Anniversary of Dr Who - some fan I am to not even know it was being broadcast. I missed the beginning but they are replaying tonight - so will watch the whole show then. It was so great seeing some of the old doctors. We are in our third generation of Dr Who fans - it all started watching as a child with my Dad - now our kids are fans too.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2013


    Kam, so sorry for Ms. Boo and her illness. Glad she had YOU for a mom in her short life.


    Blue - who's calling who a bully? now?


    Bren - cold? You mean the 10 degrees with such w-i-n-d-yw-i-n-d-s it's supposed to feel like -5 but I wouldn't know cuz ain't no way I'm even going near the door....FLANNEL sheets. Yeah. WINDY


    Snow flurries, but not sticking, not til next Wednesday. Hope all who are traveling manage to get where they're going next Turkey Day.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


    Sun...I think Reid and Co. are the bullies or something. Of course, there is worry about this, but I do feel we would have been just as off the rails as the McConnell GOP factions have been for so long, and the Senate has to run somehow. Still rather amazing to me that this ignorant ( way far out in right field ) group got to mess everything up for five years and the first time anyone actually ( though they did get a royal trouncing with the shut-down ) stepped up and told them no -- you've gone far enough they go berserk. I'm sure we will have some regrets, but not for awhile and in the meantime......and having left it for so long, someone had to stand up and do something.


    Frankly, the GOP has been heartless, cold, cruel and likely a few other things......and if they have felt ( if they actually have much for feelings ) scorn or some derision they have earned every little bit of it. I have some worries, but I think only time will tell and I'm going nowhere too soon....just to the polls to vote as many idjuts out of office as I can.


    Jackie

  • GatorGal
    GatorGal Member Posts: 2,550
    edited November 2013


    Kam, so sorry you had to let Ms. Boo go. It's been three years since I had to let my little fox terrier go. Her name was angel and she was 13. Severe back pain and too old for surgery. She could barely stand. I knew it was the right thing to do for her but I still think of her every day. My husband gave me a P. Buckley Moss print of a fox terrier that looks just like my girl. She is buried in our side yard near the bird feeders and I have a marker in the ground there. My grandson is so sweet. He always goes out when he's here to brush the leaves off her marker. My daughter thinks I should get another dog but I really don't want one at this point in my life. I do treasure my "Angel" memories though.


    My ct scan showed I am still stable. Yeah! Happy to get that good news on the day my husband found out his heart damage was more severe than they thought. He will have open heart surgery on Wednesday to make the necessary repairs. I cancelled thanksgiving dinner at my house and have adjusted my holiday plans. I feel confident the surgery will go well but have concerns about the recovery period .... 4 weeks of having my husband around all the time is not going to be easy! LOL! We had a trial run during the government closure and got on each other's last nerve. Ha! Ha! I'm to good at the nursing thing. I am glad that for a change I have finished my Christmas shopping early!!

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2013

    Glenna - great news on stable boy. I hope your husband comes through the surgery ok - give him a hug from us.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


    Glenna yay for you and your positive news where you are concerned. Sure wish the same could be said for hubby. I guess I've always thought of open heart surgery as rather involved and somewhat dire. I do know though that a lot of advances have been made and so hopefully it won't be quite the ordeal it was years ago.


    Sorry you had to cancel your Thanksgiving, but health matters definitely have to take precedence over anything else. I'll be sending thoughts of strength and prayers for good outcome on Wednesday.


    I'm sorry for your little Angel. Your grandson sounds very intuitive about Angel and her resting place. Smaller youngsters are most of the time. It is only later many times that considerations show up -- usually when well meaning people make statements that have something of a derogatory flavor in these issues.


    Glad you do have your holiday shopping out of the way. Hopefully hubby will be able to have a nice X-mas though still recovering . Sure hope so.


    Jackie

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013


    Sunny, seems somebody is not happy with some of the memes I posted, but as far as I'm concerned, am practicing what you all southerners refer to as free speech, or in this case free copy and paste, hahahahaha! I own it and I don't care! Guess I'm not a very nice bully!


    http://www.xwallz.com/user-content/uploads/wall/o/51/house_everybody_lies_wallpaper.jpg

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013


    Oh and for the record, IMHO, those two, Bachmann and Palin are bimbos!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013


    Suzie, I've been watching Dr. Who on and off all day.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2013
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2013


    This will break your heart and make you furious at the same time.


    http://www.texasobserver.org/a-galveston-med-student-describes-life-and-death-in-the-safety-net/

    Texas’ Other Death Penalty


    A Galveston medical student describes life and death in the so-called safety net.

    by Rachel Pearson Published on



    I have received permission to share my patients’ stories, and changed or omitted some names. This is a personal essay; the views are my own and do not reflect those of St. Vincent’s House or St. Vincent’s Student-Run Free Clinic.





    The first patient who called me “doctor” died a few winters ago. I met him at the St. Vincent’s Student-Run Free Clinic on Galveston Island. I was a first-year medical student then, and the disease in his body baffled me. His belly was swollen, his eyes were yellow and his blood tests were all awry. It hurt when he swallowed and his urine stank.


    I saw him every Thursday afternoon. I would do a physical exam, talk to him, and consult with the doctor. We ran blood counts and wrote a prescription for an antacid—not the best medication, but one you can get for $4 a month. His disease seemed serious, but we couldn’t diagnose him at the free clinic because the tests needed to do so—a CT scan, a biopsy of the liver, a test to look for cancer cells in the fluid in his belly—are beyond our financial reach.


    He started calling me “Dr. Rachel.” When his pain got so bad that he couldn’t eat, we decided to send him to the emergency room. It was not an easy decision.


    There’s a popular myth that the uninsured—in Texas, that’s 25 percent of us—can always get medical care through emergency rooms. Ted Cruz has argued that it is “much cheaper to provide emergency care than it is to expand Medicaid,” and Rick Perry has claimed that Texans prefer the ER system. The myth is based on a 1986 federal law called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA), which states that hospitals with emergency rooms have to accept and stabilize patients who are in labor or who have an acute medical condition that threatens life or limb. That word “stabilize” is key: Hospital ERs don’t have to treat you. They just have to patch you up to the point where you’re not actively dying. Also, hospitals charge for ER care, and usually send patients to collections when they cannot pay.


    My patient went to the ER, but didn’t get treatment. Although he was obviously sick, it wasn’t an emergency that threatened life or limb. He came back to St. Vincent’s, where I went through my routine: conversation, vital signs, physical exam. We laughed a lot, even though we both knew it was a bad situation.


    One night, a friend called to say that my patient was in the hospital. He’d finally gotten so anemic that he couldn’t catch his breath, and the University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB), where I am a student, took him in. My friend emailed me the results of his CT scans: There was cancer in his kidney, his liver and his lungs. It must have been spreading over the weeks that he’d been coming into St. Vincent’s.


    I went to visit him that night. “There’s my doctor!” he called out when he saw me. I sat next to him, and he explained that he was waiting to call his sister until they told him whether or not the cancer was “bad.”


    “It might be one of those real treatable kinds of cancers,” he said. I nodded uncomfortably. We talked for a while, and when I left he said, “Well now you know where I am, so you can come visit me.”


    I never came back. I was too ashamed, and too early in my training to even recognize why I felt that way. After all, I had done everything I could—what did I have to feel ashamed of?


    UTMB sent him to hospice, and he died at home a few months later. I read his obituary in the Galveston County Daily News.


    The shame has stuck with me through my medical training—not only from my first patient, but from many more. I am now a director of the free clinic. It’s a volunteer position. I love my patients, and I love being able to help many who need primary care: blood pressure control, pap smears, diabetes management. We even do some specialty care. But the free clinic is also where some people learn that there is no hope for the chemotherapy or surgery that they need but can’t afford. When UTMB refuses to treat them, it falls to us to tell them that they will die of diseases that are, in fact, treatable.


    St. Vincent’s is the primary care provider for more than 2,000 patients across Southeast Texas. Our catchment area is a strip of coastal plain strung with barrier islands. Drive inland and you start to see live oaks; go toward the coast and the oil refineries loom up over neighborhoods. The most polluting refinery in the nation is here, in Texas City. Our patients are factory workers, laborers, laid-off healthcare workers, the people behind the counters of seafood restaurants.


    Most of our patients come from Galveston and Brazoria counties, but some drive two hours from Port Arthur or over from Orange, near the Texas-Louisiana border, to get to us. That’s how hard it is to see a doctor in Southeast Texas: People take a day off work to drive two hours to a student-run clinic that can only provide basic care.


    The clinic is overseen by faculty physicians—UTMB docs—who see every patient along with us students and prescribe medications. These doctors are volunteers. We are not a UTMB clinic, but we depend on UTMB, which is twenty blocks from St. Vincent’s, for training our student volunteers, for liability insurance and for running our blood tests and other labs. UTMB has given us grants, including one that helped us get our electronic medical records system, and funds a nurse-managed day clinic for the uninsured at St. Vincent’s House.


    But UTMB is no longer the state-subsidized charity hospital it used to be. The changes began before Hurricane Ike in 2008. But after the storm, UTMB administrators drastically cut charity care and moved clinics to the mainland, where there are more paying patients. The old motto “Here for the Health of Texas” was replaced by “Working together to work wonders.” Among those wonders are a new surgical tower and a plan to capitalize on Galveston’s semi-tropical charm by attracting wealthy healthcare tourists from abroad. Medical care for the poor is not, apparently, among the wonders. Whereas UTMB accepted 77 percent of charity referrals in 2005, it was only taking 9 percent in 2011.


    UTMB ascribes these changes to financial strain from Hurricane Ike, the county’s inability to negotiate a suitable indigent-care contract and loss of state funding. The state blames budget shortfalls. The Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare, could have been a huge relief. However, Gov. Rick Perry rejected billions of dollars in federal funding to expand Medicaid, funding that should have brought access to more than a million Texans, including many St. Vincent’s patients.


    Perry’s refusal is catastrophic health policy. For patients, it means that seeking medical care will still require risking bankruptcy, and may lead nowhere. For doctors, the message was not only that our patients’ lives don’t matter, but also that medicine—our old profession, so full of people who genuinely want to help others—will continue to be part of the economic machine that entrenches poverty. When the poor seek our help, they often wind up with crippling debt.


    Because they can no longer count on UTMB to accept their patients, UTMB doctors now refer many to St. Vincent’s. They’ll treat someone for a heart attack (because that’s an emergency covered by EMTALA), then refer them to us for follow-up, even though we don’t have a cardiologist. They’ll stabilize a patient after her third stroke, put her on blood thinners and send her to us. They once sent us, from the ER, a man with a broken arm. They put the arm in a splint and referred him to us. What did they expect us to do—orthopedic surgery? Put on a cast? We don’t even have an x-ray machine.


    I do not think that these referrals are an official policy. Rather, they are the work of doctors and nurses trying to do something for patients who have been refused care through the financial screening process at the hospital. Former St. Vincent’s leader Dr. Merle Lenihan has described the clinic as a “moral safety valve.” It protects UTMB from confronting the consequences of the state’s refusal to provide care.


    Among those consequences are the deaths of the poor. As Howard Brody, director of the Institute for the Medical Humanities, has shown, 9,000 Texans per year will die needlessly as a result of our failure to expand Medicaid. However, because dying patients are often too sick, exhausted and wracked with pain to protest, UTMB and states like Texas aren’t forced to reckon with the consequences of their policy decisions.


    Because the very sick and the dying may not be able to speak about these issues, health-care providers—particularly the providers of the so-called “safety net”—must do so. It is in our clinics, in the bodies of our patients, where the consequences get played out.


    Danielle has schizophrenia, and she’s young, and she struggles with the medications. When we talk, there are long gaps in the conversation where, I think, she hears other voices. In one of these gaps, I notice the sun slanting in where it’s beginning to set beyond the ship channel. There’s gospel music streaming out over the basketball court from the speakers mounted on the side of the community center. I am reminded of what the director of the community center, an Episcopal minister, believes: Every patient is a miracle. The St. Vincent’s House motto is “An oasis of hope, expecting miracles.”


    Danielle looks up and stares right at me. “Here’s what I want to know,” she says. “Why are we so poor?”


    St. Vincent’s House, which hosts the free clinic, is a historically African-American community center in the lowest-income neighborhood on our island, next to where the housing projects were before they were condemned. The federal government ordered Galveston to rebuild the public housing after Hurricane Ike, but the city refused. We elected a mayor who ran on an explicit anti-public housing platform. Just like the medical system, the city knows whose lives matter.


    Now, dandelions grow in the empty lots left after Ike flooded the neighborhood. People sit on the ragged, cracking curbs, and run wheelchairs right down the middle of the street because the sidewalks tend to end in grassy fields or little precipices.


    The community center employs a person to stand in the street and walk us to our cars after clinic if we want. Who is he protecting us from, I wonder. Our patients?


    In my second year of medical school, I took a small-group course with a famously terrifying surgeon. He told us his moral motto: “A physician never takes away hope.”


    I never figured out how that motto could guide doctors through a system where our patients are dying from treatable diseases. Part of my job, it seems, is precisely that: to sit down with patients and, as gently as possible, take away hope.


    Consider Vanessa and Jimmy. They met in New Orleans when she was 18. She was working cleaning motels, and he took her on a tour of the tugboat he was captain of. Vanessa says they came to St. Vincent’s because the shipyard Jimmy worked for opted out of providing insurance even for full-time employees like him. They looked for insurance on the open market, but couldn’t afford it.


    The Affordable Care Act is supposed to help families like Vanessa and Jimmy get insurance. Folks higher on the income scale should now be able to afford insurance thanks to government subsidies. The poorest of the (legally documented) poor should be covered by Medicaid. And for those people in between, the federal government offered to pay for almost all the costs of expanding Medicaid.


    More than a million Texans—and most St. Vincent’s patients—are somewhere in between. They are the working poor, or they are adults without dependent children, who cannot qualify for Medicaid in Texas, no matter how poor they are.


    When Jimmy’s labs showed a dangerously high white blood cell count, we sent him to the ER. It was pneumonia, and there was a huge tumor underneath. Current guidelines would recommend screening Jimmy for this kind of cancer every year, but we have neither the equipment nor the funds to offer screening. So it got caught late.


    After Jimmy was diagnosed, I helped Vanessa fill out the paperwork to request financial assistance for cancer care. She wanted to know how likely UTMB was to offer her husband assistance he needed.


    In addition to only accepting 9 percent of applicants, the charity care approval process is a dark art, and we never know who will be accepted. According to the UTMB Charity Care policy, the institution may consider not only a person’s income and diagnosis, but also such vague qualities as “the history of the problem.” They also consider whether the treatment will offer “educational benefit” to medical students and trainees. Physicians in training have to see a certain number of each type of case. If the programs are hitting quotas with funded patients, patients like Jimmy are less likely to be accepted.


    The complexity and vagueness of these policies meant that it was impossible to tell Vanessa how likely UTMB was to take her husband. We can guess around a 10 percent chance, but we never really know.


    For patients facing cancer, this is not a hopeful answer.


    Vanessa called from a hospital in Houston in early November, distraught, asking me to help her decide whether or not to let the doctors turn Jimmy’s breathing machine off. She was afraid she wouldn’t be able to live with herself, no matter which she chose. I gave her the advice I’d give a friend: that I trusted her love for her husband and her ability to decide from a place of love. Jimmy died late that night.


    Vanessa’s request for UTMB funding wasn’t approved. She has received a $17,000 bill from UTMB for the visit when Jimmy went through the ER, and a $327,000 preliminary bill from the Houston hospital.


    If the Affordable Care Act had been in effect last year, they would have been able to afford insurance, get treatment early and avoid bankruptcy. I use stories like theirs—cancer stories—when I am encouraging my patients to check out the insurance exchanges.


    But with Jimmy gone and Vanessa unemployed, she now falls into the Medicaid coverage gap. I don’t know how she will get care, if she ever needs more than St. Vincent’s can give.


    My first patient, the one who died in hospice, might have lived if his cancer had been treated before it had spread from the kidney. But without the Medicaid expansion, the Affordable Care Act wouldn’t help him: As an adult with no dependent children, he wouldn’t qualify for Medicaid now.


    In a better medical system, he’d have had a chance at a more dignified experience of illness. He wouldn’t have had to wait for hours in a crowded free clinic, and assume the posture of gratefulness that charity seems to require. He wouldn’t have had to be treated in part by an earnest, but unskilled, first-year medical student. He, like so many Texans, deserved better.


    When one of our St. Vincent’s patients gets a bad diagnosis, we start sending faxes: to UTMB, to MD Anderson, to anywhere that might have funds to help them. Sometimes it works out, but often it doesn’t. Sometimes I think of it as “sending faxes into the abyss.” And sometimes I think of it as the slow, diligent, technical way that I have of insisting that these lives matter.


    Rachel Pearson is an MD/PhD student at the Institute for the Medical Humanities and the University of Texas Medical Branch


    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------end


    So. For those who primly say that the poor can go get treated at free clinics or treated "for free" at hospital ERs, you know that isn't true. You are quite simply lying. And by applauding the heartless, hateful governors like Rick Perry who refuse to expand Medicaid in their states, you are applauding people who say that poor people deserve to die. How can you look at yourself in the mirror every day?


  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2013

    Blue - apparently there are 77 million fans in the UK, USA and Australia - they didn't include Canada.

    Boy am I p'd off - I just checked our flight booking for NZ in a week or so and the special seats I had paid for seem to now be ordinary seats ie they've obviously change the aircraft. I was able to re seat us in exit row/preferred seats, but they aren't as good as I had originally. Just sent a complaint to Air NZ - with a bot of luck they might upgrade us :)

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited November 2013


    RL... I still can't imagine living in a country knowing that my neighbour may not be able to receive the same tx options as myself. Just seems inhumane.


    I also don't get the cries about people losing their current health insurance if it does not meet the new requirements. How good could it have been? And wouldn't they be able to file for new and more comprehensive insurance anyways?

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited November 2013


    I'm with you pip. It is abysmal that the insurance companies are allowed to cancel plans rather than improve them to the minimum standards (and at the same time provide fodder for the opponents of the law of the health care act).


    I cannot fathom the mind of a governor who turns away all sorts of funding that could provide health care for the citizens of his state mostly because he doesn't like the President. How clever or caring does a person have to be to see that those political decisions have massive negative real life effects on real people? The callous behaviour of governors like Rick Perry is stunning in its cruelty.


    ETA - to those who might question my right to comment, it is precisely because I live in a country with universal health care that it is so hard to understand anyone not wanting it.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited November 2013

    I never watched Dr. Who but now I am watching all the old episodes starting with the 11th Doctor, Christopher Eccleston.  I am on episode 11 filmed in 2005. They are great.  I hope I like the later Doctors as much as I enjoy Eccleston.  Billie Piper as Rose is excellent as well.   

    I don't know if Amazon Video has all the episodes but I will watch as many as I can before watching the Aniversary show.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2013


    RL - thanks for putting up the article. We need to continue to counter the Republican propaganda machine against the ACA by showing what it means to not have insurance.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2013

    Notself - I didn't like Eccleston much. My favourites are Tom Baker (long time ago) and David Tennant - the one before Mat Smith. You have to try and see this 50th Anniversary show - I was crying at one point.

    Thunderstorm in progess -  2nd one this afternoon, not counting the heavy rain at 4am - now it's a sub tropical Spring for real.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2013

    Just watched the whole Dr Who show - WOW!!!!! Loved it, especially seeing Tom Baker again - he is a total legend. Watching it made me think of my Dad - he loved it so much. Sadly we lost him at 65 in 1991. I wish he had been alive to see it.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013


    Suzie, was that the older guy? He's on Game of Thrones!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2013
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    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2013


    Pip and Lassie, it IS cruel. It is cruel to not care that your neighbors are dying because they don't have access to health care. It is cruel to say they deserve it because they're poor. It is cruel to applaud the morally bankrupt governors who denied their citizens - the ones they are sworn to serve - health care that would keep them alive, healthy, and productive members of society. The morally bankrupt, cruel people who inveigh against the social safety net stubbornly close their eyes to the fact that most of the poor actually have jobs. Half of the households on food assistance have at least one working member. The rest are children and elderly. It is in the same hateful, short-sighted, greedy spirit that they scream and cry about mandatory maternity coverage in health insurance policies for everyone. "I'm over 50, I'm a man, I'm done having kids, I don't want to pay for yours." Just like they don't want to pay for health care or schools or food aid. It is morally indefensible. It is also stupid and short-sighted. Those children you deny will be the ones working when you are old. They will be the ones driving the economy. They will be working in the factories and the grocery stores and the nursing homes. As a practical matter, do you want a whole subclass of malnourished people with chronic health problems dragging on the economy that you expect to provide you with retirement benefits? Do you want uneducated people measuring out your meds in the nursing home?


    Far better and more sensible to bitch about coverage of Viagra and other "ED" medications, whose sole function is to enable men to have sex. But when you start bitching about coverage, where does it stop? What about someone who is BRCA negative bitching about covering breast cancer treatments? What about people who don't have cancer bitching about treating those who do? Do you ever take that to its logical conclusion?


    And Lassie, you have every right to comment. The thing is, we are all in this world together. The people who say you don't have the right to comment don't understand the way the world works. They are too busy contemplating the fluff from their bellybuttons and thinking that is the whole world.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited November 2013


    They interviewed a group of young demonstrators the other day. One young lady was upset because she felt she should be exempted from paying taxes for education. She was never going to have children so why should she spend a lifetime paying towards the system.


    How do you even begin to talk to someone with that mindset? We are so broken.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2013


    Glenna - so happy for your news, and prayers for your DH. Hope he won't be home as long as when gov. was shut down :)


    BLUE - that lamp is fabulous, also love the roses, and a slap on your knuckles if you're watsing a second of your precious time reading anyplace where someone would be critical of you!!!! YUCK. Pooh. Bleah - why bother? Really, I just don't understand the interest in what certain people say or don't think...strange, you KNOW there won't be anything of value or interest. STOP STOP ;)


    Did I mention it was cold yesterday, well, I take it back. 6 and 20 mph winds is cold. Sunny tho, no one outside, not even farmers.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


    Well, my similar mind-think is that for whatever the reason.......we are all in this world together and if we don't learn to live together in peace and harmony, if we don't work together for the common good, there is going to be so much more suffering than exists right now. There is always a price to be paid for what you are, and what you do. There are many people who feel they are "chosen" because perhaps their circumstances are better, and they in fact, are in something of a position of power over others to a degree. Well, nothing is static. Nothing lasts forever and as the old saying goes......what goes up, must come down.


    I think RL actually said this best. If you are up right now.....how fortunate, but you will not stay there. So the question is have you thought about just how far down you might be. There is no luck, good fortune, great circumstance, etc. Those are just a different way of expressing karma. Just also saying....watch out what you are ready, willing and able to do to others. Many people have that same ability --- they just know better than to use it for the tawdry, selfish reasons that are so abundant today. Everything goes full circle. It's not the fall that counts.....it's the super major thud at the bottom. No one is exempt from karma....no one.


    Jackie

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