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liefie enjoy enjoy enjoy. Ypu deserve it. Have a dance for all of us at the wedding !
momof. So sorry to hear your news but you got this girl. We are here for you.
I shall send a choc eclair your way
Love to all. Deliverie8s to be made on my day off today. All my little kids stock has arrived
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For Benny:)
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Jenifer, sorry to hear the news re: TN and your oncotype. The only thing I would recommend considering, if you haven't done so already, is to seek a second opinion from an NCI cancer center - I believe Emory is the closest one to you? On the basis of two tumors in the same breast and 10/25 positive lymph nodes, my MO proposed 6 x TC. However, the specialist I saw at Indiana U and her colleagues recommended dose dense AC/T (same as Dakota, I think). Was torn about it, but went with the AC/T - it wasn't fun, but I got through it. As my MO advised, whichever you choose, don't look back and second guess. I had a port, but it didn't cause me any issues (although stopped working for blood draws for the last few cycles).
I know Carla was originally on 4 x TC, but opted to increase to 6 cycles, because of the TN potential.
Sorry to hear about the employment issues some of you have had. My employer was very generous, my boss was understanding and accommodating, and my work-mates responded like you might expect a church family to do. I was off for about 5 weeks after the BMX, then worked from home for about 2.5 months. I was completely off for 2 or 3 days every chemo cycle. My husband was also granted a substantial amount of leave (most of it paid, some of it unpaid).
As far as going back to work, I really wanted to avoid being exposed to germs while I was going through chemo (Feb through May), which is partly why I worked from home. One advantage of going back on site at about the time I finished up chemo is that it helped me feel productive and socially connected - but did leave me tired.
Liefie, hope you are on your way to an absolutely wonderful time in SA! -
Caitlin...thank you for your suggestion. Can someone tell me if Carla's tumor was in her nodes? As far as Emory goes, I worked there for 19 years and my oncologist did his fellowship there. He did discuss my case with fellows at Emory. He told my husband that he has been in practice long enough to see the SE from the more aggressive treatment. I did ask him about 6 cycles, but he did not seem to think there was an advantage. And to make things more interesting, I have to go off of Arimidex while I am on chemo. Then go back on it to keep the other cancer at bay.
I have a background in immunology and organ transplantation, while working at Emory. As far as going back there for a second opinion, I am going to leave that to my MO. Of course I could go to Charleston, because the DD works at MUSC/Roper Hospital.
As the day has progressed, I am feeling like the brick wall is in my face. But i will finish my pity party tonight with a cup of decaf coffee. Here's to you Scarlet, " i will just think about that tomorrow...yes, tomorrow is another day." -
Momo, glad to hear your MO has discussed chemo regimens with colleagues. I know when we originally thought I had little or no lymph node involvement, IU specialist advised that there was no advantage to 6 rounds of TC over 4 - and I know there is at least one clinical trial behind this thinking. As for Carla, my recollection was that of the 22 lymph nodes she had removed, there was one node that showed very minor involvement - apparently so minute that it wasn't considered positive? I sent her a paper when she was trying to decide between 4 rounds of TC and 6 - can look for it again if you like (my hard drive has died since, so don't have the paper on hand).
Like your MO, mine was trying to protect me from the "red devil" - and I was torn right up until the morning I started chemo - but in the end I decided I had to opt for the big guns, on the basis of being told my BC was "a monster". Have to say I haven't looked back and don't intend to - what's done is done. In terms of side effects, the AC did a number on my GI tract, but it's almost back to normal. Still have some neuropathy in my feet, mainly big toes, from the Taxol. Long term effects are of greater concern, but so far so good. -
Jenifer. I am sorry to hear about chemo for you. 42 is supposed to be the answer to the ultimate question of life. So maybe this is your answer to kicking breast cancer out of your life forever. Will keep my fingers crossed that chemo is not too bad.
Hi to everyone else -- Ridley
PS. Hope you have a choc eclair or something equally tasty to have with your decaf coffee. -
Momof2 - good description as to how you feel - brick wall, indeed. Caitlin is right, Carla had 1 mm mets found in sentinel node, went on to axillary lymph node dissection for total of 22 nodes, the rest were negative for mets. She did not have any scans done prior to surgery or chemo and seemed to wonder about that.
It sounds like you have a MO that you feel comfortable with, and feel is competent. That is good.
Sending hugs, hope you get some sleep tonight, you are in my prayers and we will all get you through this.
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Jenifer, I had positive nodes - a shock to everyone since they weren't enlarged and nothing showed up on the PET scan. But there they were. Visible cells in 3 and later report said micro cells in the 4th. So that got me chemo and rads. (Was expecting to not need either, before surgery.)
I had TC X6 and when I asked my MO how they choose from the multitude of different chemo regimens she said, "There are only two that are most effective, and since you have a family history of heart problems I didn't want to give you the other one." (Assume that would be the "red devil".) I still had an echocardiogram beforehand to make sure my heart was in good shape.
I did not have a port. It got harder for them to find a vein each time, but they did it. I got a Neulasta shot the day after each chemo and it kept my white cell count great. It was not a fun thing to go through by any means, but I was lucky enough to have only moderate SEs, nothing too severe. I never even missed a day of work.
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,Jennifer big hug, head butt that wall and go through to our meadow ,walk in the grass to the stream, then the waterfall and throw your worries away.We TN girls live in a state of anxiety that can consume us, all due to the "nobody knows how to cure it " information.
For heavens sake nobody knows how to cure many types of Cancer for sure, if they did, forums like these would not exist and we would all be well and healthy.
I had a lumpectomy with no node involvment, 6x3 weekly Epirubicin followed by 6x3weekly CMF. Heart scan before all started but here we rarely have any other kind of scans first or even after unless symptoms arise.
My Onco is supposed to be the best and has been going for many years.
He said" we will give you this for the best chance and to mop up any stray cells out there."
25 Rads followed so it had better be gone !!
Carla had a different diagnosis to start and unless it is just me ? seems to have been mis diagnosed from the start.
She contacted me re the TN ,and seemed to be in shock but hopeful they would get her on the right track.
SE's from chemo I had were no picnic but could have been much worse. Next day always ok, then for a few days running to loo then fine until next time.Just planned life around it. Girls on here helped sooo much. Neulasta shot each time too, no se's and kept bloods ok.DONT read too much about the TN a lot of it is ancient information anyway. Keep chomping the choc eclairs X
Liefie is due to fly over here any minute will wave from deck
Hope she has the BEST of times, she is adorable and deserves some fun, joy and laughter.Traii, business booming I hope ?
.Websister, hope energy returning a little, you and the girls need a long Timmies break to recharge batteries with some fun and laughter.

DH been out to collect a package, back now so coffee time. !!
Will catch up later, X
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Hi Ladies,
I want to thank each of you for all the support that was given to me yesterday. I feel so "honored" to be accepted by the most gracious women on the entire BCO blog. Today, I am second guessing my decision. I did not want a port, because these TE are taking up a lot of surface area on my chest. And all the publicity of a news anchor, Robin Roberts on Good Morning America, who had TNBC and then developed MDS 6 years later scared me. I have heart disease in my family history, but I do not smoke or drink, so maybe I would be okay. It just seems that the same drugs are used for all the types of BC, until you develop mets. My head feels like a stuffed toy animal. It is rainy outside, but I am going to try to drive to Atlanta to see my friend with the bipolar cockroach. There are always others with bigger problems than me. On the lighter side, plane fares from Atlanta to Eugene, OR are $328 RT. If this damn BC was not in the way, I would be on my way to the airport, and on a plane to Oregon.
Love to each of you,
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Hi ladies......
Oh Jenifer....I am so sorry to read about the DX that hit you between the eyes! Listen to Edi and Morwenna, and Adagio......as TNs they will have good advice for you, and the rest of us will be here supporting you, too. I know that Yachats seem like a great option, but think of it this way.....where you are RIGHT NOW, you have access to great BC care.......in Yachats.....not so much, and Portland is 3 hours away......when this is all behind you, your cottage by the sea will be there waiting for you.......I am sending you a (((hug))) from Oregon xo
I haven't much time this morning.....still need to finalize my packing (going to LA to see DD and DSIL for two days, then driving back to Portland on Saturday.......usually a two day trip (although I DID do it once in 15 hours).......but since DD is driving her car up and bringing my granddoggie, we will try and do the 1500 miles in one day.....(and I am already tired....).
Edi.....shall we try a Skype session on my Friday morning, 10:30ish......if you don't go out on your Friday night?
To all of you....I send love, and wishes for good days......
Jackie -
momof2 - my MO didn't offer me the option of a port, and I was a bit upset because everyone else I knew had a port. However, I did just fine for 8 treatments, and they used the same tiny little vein on the back of my hand for all of them - it was incredible! The nurses are very skilled at finding the veins. What is MDS? -
Hi
,Momof you are now one of the four musketeers. As in the stories by Alexandre Dumas You me Morwenna and Adagio back to back with swords drawn dressed in finery will attack and destroy TN !!

I too wasnt offered a port and took 12 lots of chemo with nooo problems. Would have worried about it had I had one.
Safe trip XMovie , would love to skpe, could we make it 12 your time ? May not be home until then as at a friends house helping her with some shopping.X
Spent the afternoon in local hospital with a dear friend who was having a CT scan, she is worried sick that she has "C" Now the waiting for results begins.
All of you take care and keep safe. xx
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Got out for a play on the snowshoes today. Hope you all didn't get too chilled hanging out in the backpack!
momof2.....at some point in time...we find we each need the strength and support of others.....you are one of us....that will never change. Such a wonderful "insight" into the kind of person you are, in that while you are going through such a difficult time yourself, you still are able to see beyond your pain, to see that others are struggling in their own way too. These mountain pics are for you today.....someday, I hope to have the joy of sharing a trail with you......{{X}}. -
Where was that Nihahi? West Bragg Creek??
Me thinks it is time to dust off the old snowshoes, especially as the extreme cold is easing up for the next few ... -
Oh Nihahi what beautiful pictures...I want to join you so bad. I am one step closer..MY passport came today!!! WOW the Dept of Homeland Security must have looked at my age and picture and said...rush this one through.
I went to see my friend in Atlanta...that lifted both of our spirits. Tomorrow I go to get "chemo edumacated" Keep going back and forth with my choices, but I think I will stay with my original decision that my MO recommended.
Benny...is the marinara sauce ready?
Movie..you be very careful. That is way too long to drive straight through, IMO. When we do our drives from GA to OR 700 miles is tops and that includes 2 whiny wiener dogs. Stay safe. We have some crabbing to do this summer. Yum Yum
That's the news from the East Coast (yawn). Time for bed.
Love to all,
jenifer -
Wedge Pond, up in Kananaskis. They haven't done tracksetting yet, so we were OK'd to walk along the trail. Normally it's a cross country ski trail. Lots of fresh powder up there. Also, extremely windy today, but, this trail is pretty much treed on both sides, so we were fairly sheltered. You can only go "so far" on this trail though, not all the way. Like many trails up there, parts of the trail, along with a couple bridges, were destroyed by the flooding. The drive along the Morley Flats area was not pleasant though, lots of blowing snow. -
nihahi - stunning photos!! But it looks really cold. I would love to try snow shoeing - is it hard?
Momof2 - I found chemo education really boring, hopefully yours will be more interesting. I think it was boring for me because I had done so much research myself before I went, but at least it was good to meet one of the chemo nurses.
Edi - we musketeers will indeed keep fighting!!! I hope your friends CT scan results turns out to be nothing to worry about.
Movie - that sounds like a very long trip! Hope it goes smoothly for you. -
Adagio...That is funny about chemo ed...that's why I called it edumacation. I asked them if there was a pamphlet I could read...LOL. They have given me so much time to read all about my diagnosis. But yes, I do need to know the routine, so that I can kick this cancer to the moon. Now if they tell me I cannot have coffee, I may through a good ole Southern hissy fit.
Okay, I am off to my class. Have a great Friday.
Love to all,
Jenifer -
beautiful pictures !!!
Mom- u got this we will be hanging in ur pockets!!!
Busy hockey weekend, games tomorrow and Sunday. Kickboxing tonight I just think of the cockroach and it's a great workout.
Will be reading !!! Have a great weekend all 😜😜😜
Muah!!!!! -
why is my picture upside down that drives me crazy !!! -
dakota.....have another cup of coffee, darling....your picture is just fine....!
momof2.....I don't think your medical team would let you make a poor decision about chemo choice, without raising a lot of concerns with you. Make the choice that feels right to you...then keep your eyes forward and get her done....nothing good will come about "second guessing" yourself. That's great news about the passport....keep it handy....you're gonna put it to lots of use in the future!!!!
adagio...I tell people...if you can walk....you can snowshoe...really, that's all your doing!!!!
benny.....do I smell marinara sauce on the stove????
edi...fingers crossed for your friend.....which ever way things turn out....she is lucky to have you there with her. Did you go dancing last night? -
Chemo ed was quick..just read a pamphlet...
I start Monday, and will be able to get 2 done within our current medical deductible. Then it starts all over; but better than not having insurance, so no complaints. Got a "bag of drugs" to take before and after for nausea, and I have to have the shot for the bone marrow boost (cannot spell the name). Hubby says he is coming with me...oh my goodness. But the nurse makes you think this is a walk in the park...guess she hasn't seen Glacier National Park.
Thank you for the reassurance that I am following the regime that both my MO and I feel good about.
I will be fine, really ready to get the show on the road...and OVER.
Wishing all a good Friday. Hey, Liefie have you reached SA? Rest up and have the time of your life.
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Such a busy day, now knackered. Helped dear old lady we know to pick a new fridge freezer. Then McDonalds for lunch. Then shopping
. DH also knackered but now out for a pint with shedman.Momof, we will all be in your pockets for chemo, you may not even need the nausea meds. They made me feel really dizzy so only ever took one.Neulasta shot also no side effects but keeps blood ok.
DH came with me for each chemo and we then made a special day of it, lunch or dinner out depending on time of appointment if you feel ok it really helps.
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No chemo ed here, just arrived and was put in the comfy chair, after first one and fear of unknown goes ,they were done and dusted in no time.XNihahi, Pictures are amazing !! You live in the most beautiful part of the world. NO dancing still as DH no better with his back. X
Dakota, Pic right way up on here. Enjoy kickboxing. X
Movie, hope you are having fun. X
TV full of Kennedy assasination, so sad and cant believe it was so long ago.
Saw " THE BUTLER " Wed evening, very good. Great insight into Civil Rights issues too.
Hope you ALL have a glorious weekend full of fun and laughter.X
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This is soooo me LOL.
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Edi..thank you for the nausea med tips. I have so many different prescriptions for nausea, they could fill a shoe box. I want to see "The Butler", but waiting for it to come to the inexpensive theater.
Wow, 50 years ago today, I was in the 5th grade on the playground. A parent came to the school and had her car radio on with the news report about President Kennedy. A little while later, we were released and sent home. Back then you could walk or ride your bike to school without the fear of being kidnapped. We had a small black and white TV and for the next few days all we did was watch the reports. It is so surreal what happened to the members of the Kennedy family. The answers will never come.
Need to go find food for DH. I really have been a lazy wife the past few days. Enough!! I have a plan of attack, now, and the pills to prove it.
Have a lovely evening ladies,
Jenifer -
Momof2, has anyone shared the tip about claritin and benadryl to prevent the bone pain associated with the Neulasta shot after the chemo? Some MO's aren't aware of it, and it truly makes a difference with the "toothache" kind of bone pain that goes along with the Neulasta. -
I was lucky in that my blood counts never got that low (has to be some advantage in having polycythemia!!), so I never needed Neulasta shots, although my MO told me she routinely did them after the second AC treatment. -
sbe...I have heard about those treatments, but the nurse did not mention them to me. Perhaps the PA will say something when I go in for the first injection on Tuesday. If not, I will ask.
I feel the "love and support". I am much better having a plan in place. I am so glad that I do not have to hold down a full time job. There would be no way I could teach high school biology and chemistry while going through this. For those warriors that fight this battle raising a family and holding down a job, you deserve all the "me" time available. When I come through this, I am going to volunteer to help those women in need.
I sorted all my pills for the next week. How many anti-nausea pills does one need? I still have an entire prescription left over from the BMX and they are a different name. The morning pills are enough to call a small meal
I am smelling marinara sauce with garlic toast. How are you Benny?
So I promised DH I would clean the house and iron his shirts today. So I had better get to my chores.
Have a wonderful weekend.
Love,
Jenifer -
Jenifer, everyone is different, but I wasn't given any pills ahead of time, or any instruction of any kind. The day of my first chemo they showed me a short video, which talked about SEs that might occur and what to do about them, and they also gave me some brochures with more detailed info. They also gave me prescriptions for Compazine (for mild nausea) and Ativan (for more severe nausea, and it's also good for anxiety and insomnia). I used the Compazine and that always worked well for me, I never needed the Ativan. During each treatment they would first give me a big dose of Benadryl, then a bag of Decadron (steroid), both of which were to prevent allergic reactions to the drugs, and a dose of Zofran, to prevent nausea. Then came the chemo drugs, one at a time, very slowly. The whole process took 5-6 hours the first time and 3-4 hours the rest of the times. They gave me the Neulasta shot to bring home and inject it the next day. Then 3 weeks later when I went for the next dose, they would draw blood first and check to be sure my counts were all good enough to get the next round. Everything kept going down, down, down every time - except the white cells which the Neulasta kept high - but never so low that I had to postpone the chemo, or get a blood transfusion or anything like that.
Pretty much everything they told me I already knew from reading here. I did take the Claritin the day of, and several days after, the Neulasta and I think it did help. It wasn't as bad as many have reported. The first one was the worst. 3-4 days of aches & pains. Not fun but bearable. My MO really had very few instructions for me. Said don't take vitamin E or anything with estrogen. Suggested I take Zantac for the duration, because chemo can be tough on the stomach. Said don't eat anything spicy, fried, or rich. Would probably regret it. I more-or-less followed that advice. Nothing really tasted good anyway.
Only time will tell what SEs you will have, but everyone here is so wonderful, there's sure to be someone who had the same thing and can tell you what helped. I am eternally grateful to BCO and all my sisters here, it got me through. And I know you will get through it too. We are all in your pockets! :-)
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