October 2013 Chemotherapy

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  • lgkgde13
    lgkgde13 Member Posts: 164
    edited November 2013


    hi all - I found the fatigue didn't worsen for me either from treatment 2 to 3.


    I can't believe how winded I get sometimes and have learned to take many breaks :)

  • marley2
    marley2 Member Posts: 58
    edited November 2013


    Hi Ladies,


    I have not posted her before but started my TC treatments in late October. I just had my second TC on Thursday and am looking for advice. I have terrible stomach pains the first night after treatment. Feels like I have poisoned myself (go figure!) and my stomach is eating itself. Anyone else have this and found something that helped?

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited November 2013


    Pam, I am glad I could help.


    Marley, welcome! The stomach is an issue for me, I had ulcers before. I take Omeprazole 40mg in the am and Gasex and Motrin if needed. For some reason this TC 3 my stomach is doing fine, as well as my fatigue, almost no SEs! Everybody is so different.


    Something that I think has helped is that now I am taking L Glutamine every day, I am not sure if it has anything to do with it though...Good luck and let's kill the beast!

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited November 2013


    Marley -- welcome to the oct thread! I had stomach pains after my first tx, but not so much after the 2nd. The pain felt like gas pains, but I didn't actually seem to have gas -- weird. First time through I took Motrin, which helped, and Senecot-s at night as well, since I had the big C at the time. I also had been eating a lot of dried fruit (for the C), and it seemed to help when I stopped eating that. Walking seemed to help the pain, and got things "moving" as well -- I put on my headphones with some music, and tried to swing my arms and take good sized strides -- but stayed within a block of the house just in case. Good luck with it -- hope you find a combination that works.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    I'm hoping things I am already taking help stomach problems. I take nexium for reflux and I also take magnesium citrate (because it doesn't absorb well with nexium) and the magnesium gives the best 'regularity' EVER. I am most worried about nausea and effects of the steroid.


    I feel lucky that you guys are going first so I can horn in on your solutions. :-)

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn - don't worry too much about nausea.  They give you premeds in your IV before chemo and you are sent home w/anti-nausea meds.  If you are only given 1 take home anti-nausea (as I was)....you may want to ask them to write you a script for a back up med as well in the event the first does not work.

    Regarding the steroid - If you think sleep is going to be an issue, ask them to give you Lorazepam for your anti-nausea medication.  It has a sleeping med (or some agent that makes you very sleepy) in it.  It works GREAT for being able to sleep while taking the steroids.  I didn't get that med until day 3 after my first chemo.  I was only sent home w/Compazine for nausea and it did not work well for me but I sucked it up hoping the nausea would lessen as the hours passed....it didn't - it just got worse.  So day 3 I called the MO on call and he prescribed Lorazepam.  Works wonderful for me for the nausea and makes me very tired - so it does 2 things I personally need!  Perhaps you can suggest the same if you think it would help you.

  • marley2
    marley2 Member Posts: 58
    edited November 2013


    Thanks Headeast and TeamKim for the help.


    Wren- don't worry the meds really do take care of nausea. Good Luck!

  • axg24
    axg24 Member Posts: 12
    edited November 2013


    Happy Sunday to all!!!


    marley- I too had cramping and it got relieved if I pass gas. I am already taking nexium for my reflux just like wren so doctor told me to take tums and it did the trick for me. Also avoided too much beans and legumes.


    Kittykate- loved your picture! My scalp had been very sensitive that I can't sleep lately even if I already am using satin sheets. I started shredding more hair so I went to my hairstylist to get it buzzed. She did a Mohawk on me first which I wouldn't have dared do in the 80s before shaving it all off. It was so much fun, gave me a rush, some kind of empowerment, it's amazing! Thanks for the idea :-)


    Are you putting anything on your scalp? It feels so prickly. Its hard to put on binnie or scarf because it felt like I have velcro on. Not regretting it at all as it is definitely better than seeing the bunches of hair fall off and having to pick them up too. Just looking for tips on how to care for scalp.


    Thanks.

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    axg - I was having the same problem this last week.  I was so done with the little pricky's rubbing on my head coverings and just an hour ago, I took my foil electric shaver to my head.  It worked!  Not all the stubble is gone (I've never done this before and it felt weird and think I need my DH help when he gets home to finish it up) but most of it is and the areas that were rubbing worst on headcoverings is now relatively smooth.  And feels SO much better.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    thank you so much for the reassurance guys. I would not be doing chemo if it weren't for you. I'd have chickened out.


    Lisa i have lorazepam (ativan). It is an anti anxiety med and when i got the prescription rewed this week i mentioned to my doc that it was being used by many people for nausea she said it wouldn't work. I told her it stopped the nausea from my vertigo and she was surprised. The medical community is learning a lot since we all got together. :)


    About the prickly head. If you shave before hair starts falling out i assume you have to keep shaving to avoid stubble?


    I hope everyone is doing ok today and especially those about to start. Thank you again to the women dealing with SE for coming here to let us know how it is going. Xo

  • lgkgde13
    lgkgde13 Member Posts: 164
    edited November 2013


    feeling tired today, day 12 after AC 3. I don't get treatment until next tues. Is it normal not get blood drawn every week? They are not having me come on this week which I think is odd considering neutrophils so low last time (300) at day 14. For me my counts seem to be ok at day 7 but dropped at day 14. They did say to call if not feeling well but what should happen before I call?


    My DH and I went to lowes today to buy a few things and he kept asking me if I was ok bc I guess I kept sighing and deep breathing as we walked through store. When we were checking out I turned to him and was like I don't feel good. Now back in bed. Ugh just sick of being fatigued.

  • Pam358
    Pam358 Member Posts: 294
    edited November 2013


    The way my MO nurse explained it to me when I was having difficulty with my nausea was that there are different med for different parts of the brain that "create" the nausea. So when they tend to add meds they add a med to combat it a different way. For example in my pre-meds I get Aloxi on Wed and then two days later (Fri) I get more Aloxi - it's long acting and given through IV. But while I'm getting the Aloxi I can't take any Zofran untill after 3pm on Sunday, however, I can take my Compazine and Reglan scheduled starting Wednesday. The other, often silent or behind the scenes, person on our medical team is the pharmacist. The pharmacist at the hospital where I get my treatment actually did some research to help come up with my antinausea plan. Wrenn, your right, the Ativan/Lorazepam is primarily an anti-anxiety med that has that extra quality to help with nausea.


    Welcome Marley!


    Wrenn - yes the hair does keep growing from the buzz cut when you get it cut before that magic 14 day mark for when it usually starts to fall out when you are on Adriamycin, I would assume for the others as well.

  • Pam358
    Pam358 Member Posts: 294
    edited November 2013


    lg - I only have lab work done just minutes before my treatment. They look at the numbers and decide whether to proceed or not. As for the fatigue - it's funny this morning in church I was thinking, could we get to a sit down part!

  • Furfriend2
    Furfriend2 Member Posts: 299
    edited November 2013


    Hello Ladies,


    I too get blood drawn every week. Just before infusion then the following week on Tuesday I go.


    All my counts are down this time around & must be why I feel so tired? Everyone at work is hacking. I still have not taken the Ativan the MO gave me just in case for anxiety and nausea this time around. I know it makes one sleepy and I already am sleepy. Was suppose to visit with Mom and my brother and his family this evening but too tired and the kids are sick so I need to stay away.


    Tomorrow tx #4. Then onto Taxol. I hope I do ok tomorrow as I get so much anx before thinking about it.


    I hope everyone feels better soon

  • Malakies
    Malakies Member Posts: 40
    edited November 2013


    Hi everyone!


    Happy Sunday to all. Reading through all the posts, and it makes me feel a bit 'better' that I am not alone in all these awful SE's! The worst for me is the overwhelming feeling of fatigue! When the ONC told me that I would most probably feel 'fatigued and cranky' through chemo (cause they have drugs for most of the other SE's) I thought to myself... "ok that's pretty normal for me.. I am always tired and cranky anyhow LOL!! " Boyyyy was I surprised to actually feel what it actually means to be fatigued!! It is absolutely draining and I feel like I am 100 yr old lady!


    My 4th AC is on the 25th and I am hoping the 12 weeks of taxol won't be so frigen draining! This past Friday all I did was break down and cried .. all day. I could 'smell' the medication .. I felt overwhelmed...even though I took an Ativan to calm me... it seemed to not work. I cried regardless. It sucked. Today I am better. I honestly can't wait for this to be over!! Seriously!!


    Kitty... what an awesome pic of you and the middle finger!! I am right there with you girl!! F Cancer!!!Happy

  • Furfriend2
    Furfriend2 Member Posts: 299
    edited November 2013


    Hi Malakies,


    LOL- I know right? So so tired.


    I know what you mean about the smell. Sometimes/most times I want to vomit when I think about what we are going through. Poison in/ Poison out. I get bouts of crying or low points but this is all normal.


    Take it easy Winking

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited November 2013


    I will start round 1 of AC tomorrow. I was prescribed some meds for the nausea to use as needed they are prochlorperazine (1 every 6 hrs as needed) and ondansetron (1 every 8!hrs as needed). Have any of you ladies taken these meds? The prochlorperazine seems like nasty stuff as I read in the insert that it is prescribed for schizophrenia and a side effect ins agitation. I really do not need to be agitated more than I already am, especially if I will be given steroids in my premeds. I really don't want to take the prochlorperazine. Can you recommend anything I can suggest to my MO to prescribe instead? Thanks.


    I hope all of you have a good week!

  • naiviv
    naiviv Member Posts: 535
    edited November 2013


    Hello,


    I get weekly blood draws. (I am also anemic, not sure if this is why) Every week I go for herceptin and they do the CBC from a finger stick. Two days before TCH I go in for CBC and the Chem Panel (from port). I also always see Onc, two days before the TCH.


    I have only had 1 TCH and 4 H so far and I am also very tired. I clean for a bit and have to sit down, I'm cooking and have to sit down. I am trying to walk more to see if I improve, but everytime I finish one go around the block, I feel like I could just sit and fall asleep. I hope the effects of fatigue are not cumulative. I have also been eating a bit heavier/comfort food gained a few pounds(food tastes good now) and I wonder if that is also adding to it, because I know whats coming next week.


    I have xanax, it works well for me even though it doesn't have the anti nausea property. It is more short acting than Ativan. I tried Ativan for a few days while in the hospital, I'll keep xanax. You may want to try it. it helps me relax and in turn it does help get rid of nausea when its at its worse.


    Be well


    Vivian

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited November 2013


    For those asking about hair -- I had mine buzzed to about half and inch long when it started falling out (day 14/15 of tx 1) and most of it fell out over the next two-three days after the buzz. What was left was not worth mentioning -- I looked like a moth eaten stuffed animal. It really hasn't grown any stubble since then, and I never shaved it altogether. I have been washing it daily with baby shampoo and a washcloth. Day 15 of tx 2 I started getting itchy/sore bumps here and there. As some suggested on this thread, I have been putting some hydrogen peroxide on a cotton ball and swabbing all over my head twice a day, then dabbing some cortisone cream on the itchy ones.


    I am also getting itchy red bumps here and there all over my body, and that has happened throughout both treatments but is getting worse, so I am not sure this is a hair thing -- when I saw the MO 7 days after tx 2, he said the Taxotere is giving me these little rashes. Now, 17 days after tx, you would think that would be out of my system, though. Itching is driving me nuts!


    For those struggling to drink enough water, this week I discovered Sobe Lifewater goes down easy -- I tried a couple of flavors and liked the blueberry one.

  • naiviv
    naiviv Member Posts: 535
    edited November 2013


    Hair... I had cut it very short with buzz and spiked top (1/2 inch) last week and just buzzed it yesterday to almost nothing. After washing it a lot more of the stubble just washed off, but I still have some left. I am finding a wig/turban/anything really very hot and uncomfortable. I actually went to Publix without one and just smiled at the stares.


    Team Kim.......I have the bumps also. Mine is like a fluid filled little bump and if it breaks it spreads to wherever it goes and does it itch. I have mostly on my hands, but had a patch on thigh. Mine became worse around day 13-14. I was prescribed Triamcinolone Acetonide .1%.(hydocortisone,benadryl lotion did nothing) It takes about three days but it dries it out. Very dry hands feel rough and peeling, but no itch. Heat makes it worse, wash dishes and hands in cool water and if the itch gets really bad put a cool/cold wash cloth over the area. It was explained to me that even though it has left your body it leave immune system weaker and certain parts of our bodies/skin are more susceptible to stress/stressors and we can break out in those areas. I am going to get some Aquaphor to put on my hands tonight to help with the dried skin.


    I hope the itchies goes away, but please try not to scratch...


    Vivian

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2013


    smrlvr - Proclorperazine is Compazine - it is a med that has been around a long time, don't get too worried about it. Odansetron is Zofran - a good anti-nausea med for most - did not work for me at all, and gave me a wicked headache.

  • lgkgde13
    lgkgde13 Member Posts: 164
    edited November 2013


    specialk- I am feeling really fatigued today. Really tired just walking up stairs. Get really tired and have to lean against wall or sit down. When is fatigued bad enough that I should call doc?

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2013


    lg - when is your next CBC?

  • axg24
    axg24 Member Posts: 12
    edited November 2013


    thanks for all the hair tips Lisa, Vivian and TeamKim.


    Lisa, today I found silky doo rag and a satin scarf at a beauty supply store that's thin enough so head can breathe a little. I may use it for sleeping too.


    TeamKim- i see that we have exactly the same chemo drugs and schedule. you are one session ahead of me so I can follow your lead

  • SchoolCounselor
    SchoolCounselor Member Posts: 452
    edited November 2013


    Today started off fine. Went to therapy, then went shopping for yoga pants because that is all I am wearing. Met up with a friend while shopping. Then I glanced down at my hands noticed my nail beds are turning grey and burst into tears, right in the middle of the store. Bald head I can do, and I expected , the nails.....sigh. Bought myself a strawberry shortcake cake and then ate Mexican food. This is some toiugh stuff...,,,,,

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited November 2013


    Vivian -- thanks for the tips on he itchy bumps. Mine look like mosquito bites, and are sometimes individual and sometimes in clusters. Right now I have one on the tip of each elbow, and a little spray of them on my right hip (last weekend was left hip). The only constant place is the back of my head, just above the hairline. The ones on my head are making me crazy when I wear hats or wig, so not exactly sure how I will get through work this week if it doesn't improve. I'll write down the name of the med you were prescribed and have it in hand if I need to call -- if I can hold out til Thursday's infusion, I'll have the onc nurses take a look. They have given me very practical and effective advice.


    Axg24 -- good to know we are heading to the bar for our twin cocktails on the same day. Everyone is different, but I have gotten a lot of support and information out of reading posts from the gals here and on the TC thread who share my regimen..... I'll be thinking of you Thursday!


    Everyone with fatigue -- I hear you!!! At work my office is on the 2nd floor and the bathroom is in the basement (historic building, no elevator). I have to keep hydrated, so I am descending and climbing those stairs frequently throughout the day. I go up 10 steps and stop to rest on each landing -- feel like an old lady! Lol! It was a little better 2nd tx with the Neulasta -- 1st tx I was really dragging when WBC was so low. The fevers I got from Neulasta were draining, but not in the same way the low WBC count was. My MO told me that the fatigue is cumulative, so will get a little worse each time, but people usually bounce back a little faster after the last tx; knowing you are done is a psychological lift. Can't wait!

  • marley2
    marley2 Member Posts: 58
    edited November 2013


    smrivr- I also was given zofran and compezine for nausea and they worked well. The compezine actually made me sleepy.

  • lgkgde13
    lgkgde13 Member Posts: 164
    edited November 2013


    next Tuesday before treatment. I got a good night sleep so I will see how I feel today. If anything like yesterday I will call

  • mfm48
    mfm48 Member Posts: 110
    edited November 2013


    Teamkim and Naiviv - I've had a rash since my 2nd treatment. Although it started 16 days out of my 2nd treatement and hasn't really gone away, My MO commented that ever since the TC chemo has gone "generic" she has seen more skin conditions. Who knows? I take Allegra every night, and the Dermatologist prescribed hydroxycine which seems to keep it at bay. I also have a cream I put on. But it travels all over. The nape of the neck was the worst! With these three meds though it is manageable. Before that I thought I was going to itch out of my body!


    I finished my 4th and final TC last week. Heading to radiation in a week or so. Feeling okay this time. SE's not hitting quite as early, although I know they are coming. For those that have the stomach pains, I get them each time. I am fortunate not to have any nauseau, D, or Constipation, just bad cramps and back pain. My MO prescribed 600 mg IB the Day after the Neulasta shot and then for three more days. Sometimes the ibuprofen works, sometimes I move on to a stronger med. Right now, the IB is working. yay.


    For those having trouble on the steroids, I have always used the Lorazepam (Ativan) on the day before and 2 days after the tx (the days I am on steroids) and I sleep like a baby. Somehow it counteracts that crazy steroid up that you get.


    Good luck this week everyone. There is always light at the end of the tunnel. Its the journey that is difficult. :0

  • lgkgde13
    lgkgde13 Member Posts: 164
    edited November 2013


    Schoolcounselor- hang in there! That must have been tough. It hits all at once sometimes and gets overwhelming, I know. We can get through this.


    I am glad you treated yourself :) sometimes we gotta do it. My DH teases me about that there is an ice cream shortage in our town bc of me.

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