I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited November 2013


    Yes - single payer health care. Let me count the ways it works.

  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited November 2013


    Single payer, for sure. I want to make ACA the best it can be...on the way to single payer.


    I read another nickname for Sarah - "Bible Spice." Hahaha

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


    There are always lots of names for total ditso's and I do recall the "SparkleMoose" which always produced ( and still does ) a chuckle from me. She and Bachmann -- a true sister-hood-match made where???? in loo-loo land I suppose


    I am waiting for the good numbers to start coming in ( considering I don't feel the first are all that bad ) on the ACA and I could do single payer easily.....but I do have Medicare and V.A. so I'm covered well. I do pay out a little as I'm not a disabled vet and feel ok with that. I don't mind feeling I'm helping someone who is a dis-abled vet -- after all the Right does not seem to think they are deserving but these people went to places and fought just as hard for me as they did anyone. The shame and disgrace of my life would take place if I did not do what I could....which in fact, is not really much at all.


    Ran across this article which was interesting in view of its concerning Rand Paul. While the author was giving no pats on the back for veracity in general to Jennifer Rubin.....it does sound like Paul really should fade into the woodwork. Was he too busy plagiarizing to work fruitfully on his board procedures. It doesn't look too good. Still needs a grain of salt or maybe a few but the way I see it.....when you start to stoop to shortcuts in one area, the possibility of it showing up in another one is not all that big of a stretch. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/08/1254153/-More-problems-for-Rand-Paul


    Jackie


    came back to re-edit. I should have used to word NO which I have now entered, as to the line where Jennifer Rubin's name appears. I should have re-read it then, but had something to attend to and forgot to get back in a timely fashion.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013
  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited November 2013


    It's interesting to me how consistent the right wing response to errors by their representatives is. The first response is denial, followed closely by someone else did something wrong too. Usually the someone else's error is decades ago, misstated or just plain didn't happen.


    It certainly is evident with our Rob Ford debacle - his brother's defence of him this week was to shout at council to ask who else might have done marijuana. In fact the issue wasn't marijuana -- it was cocaine, gangs and lying about it all, but a good offence is the only defence in such a case. I see that pattern mirrored in other places.

  • kad2kar
    kad2kar Member Posts: 336
    edited November 2013


    So RIGHT on,LassieThumbsUp

  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited November 2013


    Haha I love that "Don't squint there's nothing there." It's true. They don't care that so many people are without healthcare. It's a "screw you I got mine" mentality. And it really burns my biscuits.


    lassie - You nailed it. The denial then "they did it too" is so pathetic. If you get caught, just own it, apologize (if you're really sorry- otherwise don't bother), and take your medicine. It sucks, but it will make life a whole lot easier and less SNL material worthy.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


    Thought about not putting this here....a bit on the graphic side, but since the name has come up lately....well, talk about getting put in your place. I've usually always enjoyed Martin Bashear and I hope its right.....that we might hear a bit less of little Dimple Fritz.


    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/11/16/palin-martin-bashir/


    Jackie

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2013


    Oooh, I learned a fun, fun fact a couple of days ago. Nebraska has SOCIALIST electric power! Nebraska's electric utility is wholly public - owned by the state and an administrative and political division of the sate. http://www.nppd.com/about-us/




    "NPPD and its wholesale partners work closely on many issues to bring the best, energy-related services possible to Nebraska’s electric consumers at affordable rates. As the only, wholly public power state in the nation, Nebraska utilities have a unique relationship and a common purpose: to provide low-cost, reliable service with local control. Initiatives between NPPD and its wholesale partners ensure the advantages of public power are brought to all Nebraskans."


    Socialism has been in our heartland for DECADES!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


    RL-- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited November 2013


    Don't tell the Conservatives in Nebraska. They might just pass out

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2013


    Gee, a publicly owned and run power company. I wonder if it cuts off folks peripatetically, or doesn't produce "enough" electricity to cover everyone at all times. Or if getting hooked up is a long, long wait. Those government-run institutions...they might save ya money, but let's face it, ya just can't trust 'em, can ya?


    /snark

  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited November 2013


    Haha love that comparison!!

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited November 2013


    never thought about it, but my city here in Texas also runs its own electricity and sells the extra to neighboring communities.


    .10 a KWh.


    Commies in Perry's backyard! Yikes!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


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    He has a most difficult job.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2013


    Have you noticed how the acronym WWJD (What Would Jesus Do) is never, ever used anymore? Could it be that the Teavangelicals know the answer and do not like the answer? If ever there were another group of religious zealots who purport to follow the Bible and claim Jesus as their saviour, and then do the opposite of what their "Saviour" would have done, I don't know what it would be.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2013


    When they were using WWJD, they usually got it wrong anyway. Like W.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


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    Here, this seems to fit -- THEM !!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2013


    Doris Lessing died. She was 94. Paper reports, peacefully, etc. Makes me wanna go back & reread The Golden Notebook.


    Reading my first Donna Tartt, The Goldfinch. WOW. Now I know why every one was SO eager for her next book. She's only written two others, 10 years between each book. Don't plan to do ANYTHING after you start to read it, except eat & sleep :)


    Hope all in Midwest are safe & warm. It is so foggy outside my windows, can't even see a a tree, like some one dropped my little house into a wad of cotton.


    Back to reading..... :-) ( really don't like the new emoticons!)

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2013


    Sunny, I like a couple of the emoticons, but most don't really express how I'm feeling. They are either too bland, too weird, or not understandable. Also we really do need a HUG emoticon!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2013


    The New York Times


    Op-Ed Columnist


    Prudence or Cruelty?


    By. Nicholas D. Kristof


    Published: November 16, 2013



    When members of Congress debate whether to slash the food stamp program, they should ask if they really want more small children arriving at school having skpped breakfast.



    As it is, in the last few days of the month before food stamps are distributed, some children often eat less and have trouble focusing, says Kisha Hill, a techer in a high-poverty prekindergarten school in North Tulsa, Okla.


    “Kids can’t focus on studying when their stomachs are grumbling,” Hill told me.



    Some 47 million Americans receive food stamps, including some who would otherwise go hungry — or hungrier. A recent government study found that about 5 percent of American households have “very low food security,” which means that food can run out before the end of the month. In almost a third of those households, an adult reported not eating for an entire day because there wasn’t money for food.



    Meanwhile, 14 percent of American toddlers suffer iron deficiency. Malnutrition isn’t the only cause, but it’s an important one — and these children may suffer impaired brain development as a result. This kind of malnutrition in America is tough to measure, because some children are simultaneously malnourished and overweight, but experts agree it’s a problem. We expect to find malnourished or anemic children in Africa and Asia, but it’s dispiriting to see this in a country as wealthy as our own.



    Let me take that back. It’s not just dispiriting. It’s also infuriating.



    “The cutback in food stamps represents a clear threat to the nutritional status and health of America’s children,” says Dr. Irwin Redlener, the president of the Children’s Health Fund and a professor of pediatrics at Columbia University. Dr. Redlener said that one result of cutbacks will be more kids with anemia and educational difficulties.



    Food stamp recipients already took a cut in benefits this month, and they may face more. The Senate Democratic version of the farm bill would cut food stamps by $4 billion over 10 years, while the House Republican version would slash them by $40 billion.



    More than 90 percent of benefits go to families living below the poverty line, according to federal government data, and nearly two-thirds of the recipients are children, elderly or disabled.



    Let’s remember that the government already subsidizes lots of food. When wealthy executives dine at fancy French restaurants, part of the bill is likely to be deducted from taxes, which amounts to a subsidy from taxpayers. How is it that food subsidies to anemic children are more controversial than food subsidies to executives enjoying coq au vin?



    Meanwhile, the same farm bill that is hotly debated because of food stamps includes agricultural subsidies that don’t go just to struggling farmers but also, in recent years, to 50 billionaires or companies they are involved in, according to the Environmental Working Group, a Washington research group.



    Among the undeserving people receiving farm subsidies has been a New York Times columnist. Yes, I have been paid $588 a year not to grow crops on wooded land I own in Oregon (I then forward the money to a maternity hospital in Somaliland). When our country pays a New York journalist not to grow crops in an Oregon forest, there’s a problem with the farm bill — but it’s not food stamps.



    Granted, safety-net spending is more about treating symptoms of poverty than causes, and we may get more bang for the buck when we chip away at long-term poverty through early education, home visitation for infants, job training and helping teenagers avoid unwanted pregnancies.



    That said, food stamps do work in important ways. For starters, they effectively reduce the number of children living in extreme poverty by half, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in Washington.



    By improving nutrition of young children, food stamps also improve long-term outcomes. In recent years, mounting scholarship has found that malnutrition in utero or in small children has lasting consequences. One reason seems to be that when a fetus or small child is undernourished, it is programmed to anticipate food shortages for the remainder of its life. If food later becomes plentiful, the metabolic mismatch can lead to diabetes, obesity and heart disease.



    An excellent study last year from the National Bureau of Economic Research followed up on the rollout of food stamps, county by county, between 1961 and 1975. It found that those who began receiving food stamps by the age of 5 had better health as adults. Women who as small children had benefited from food stamps were more likely to go farther in school, earn more money and stay off welfare.



    So slashing food stamp benefits — overwhelmingly for children, the disabled and the elderly — wouldn’t be a sign of prudent fiscal management by Congress. It would be a mark of shortsighted cruelty.





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    So, all of you sanctimonious so-called "Christians" who applaud the cutting of food stamps and other safety net aid, who speak piously and smugly about a "culture of entitlement" and the undeserving poor, who say hatefully that people should just get jobs or make their children a peanut butter sandwich for lunch -- go to hell. And starve while you are there. You are what is destroying this country, one malnourished child at a time.



  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited November 2013


    Well said RetiredLibby. I try to remind the Conservatives that one million vets are on food stamps - and ask how patriotic they are.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


    Extremely well said as I came to share something I just saw..............just met one part of the scum of the earth here. He belongs in jail and should have been there long ago. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/11/17/james-okeefe-acorn-aca-video-lies/ Of course, you can count on Fox News to get the scoop first and use it gleefully.


    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2013


    The opposite of the slime-ball above.


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  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2013


    Yay. Yes, rich people CAN be a force for good - if they are good people.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2013


    Jackie - thank you THANK YOU for posting about Harris Rosen, what a wonderful human being. Hope you are SAFE, the weather we're hearing about in your part of the country is so bad - be safe!

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