prophylactic mastectomy - documentation needed?

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sophie0
sophie0 Member Posts: 4


My insurance company covers prophylactic mastectomy for a number of different scenarios (positive gene test, first-second-third degree relatives with various cancers, etc.).


I'm 32 and have had a number of mammograms since 27, due to suspicious lumps. I've not been diagnosed with anything, but my testing is always in question due to scar tissue from a previous breast surgery, fibrocystic breasts, and dense tissue that all of my clinicians have said make reading the results extremely difficult.


Two second degree relatives (aunt, grandmother) and two third degree (great-aunts) relatives on my maternal side have died of breast cancer.


My actual question is this...under my insurance terms I qualify for a prophylactic mastectomy (which I want and which my doctor supports), but what documentation do I need to provide besides my doctor's recommendation? Do I need to locate and somehow obtain my relatives medical records to show their diagnosis? This is all so confusing to me!


Sophie

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  • natalieashton
    natalieashton Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2013

    Hello ! I look forward to a answer with you I am in the same exact boat! Good luck

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited November 2013


    why don't you ask your insurance company about the documentation they will require to approve the surgery? I would think that they would be the best ones to answer that since the approval is in their hands.

  • sophie0
    sophie0 Member Posts: 4
    edited November 2013


    I plan to ask my insurance company, I was just curious if anyone else had been in the same situation and what was required of them.


    Thanks.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited November 2013


    Sophie, my advice that you really look into what's involved with a prophylactic MX - and what it's like to live with the results for the rest of your life - before you make any decisions. For women who are very high risk, a PBMX is often their best option in order to avoid the high likelihood of a breast cancer diagnosis in the future. But a PBMX is major surgery that changes your body for the rest of your life - you lose all natural sensation (except possibly surface sensation) and you may have permanent numbess and other side effects. Reconstructed breasts are nothing like natural breasts.


    Have you talked to a genetic counsellor? There is a lot of family history of breast cancer on your maternal side, and that could indicate the presence of a genetic cause, such as a BRCA mutation. But the fact that your mother hasn't been affected also could mean that she didn't inherit the gene, and that would mean that you couldn't have inherited it either. In that case, your risk level might be completely normal - just average risk. A genetic counsellor is the right person to do this type of assessment.


    As for having dense breasts, so do the majority of 32 year-old women. And about 60% of women have fibrocystic breasts. You may have more symptoms than most women, but having fibrocystic breasts is so common that it's now considered to be a normal breast condition. Having a PBMX and changing your body forever, for something that is normal and common place....


    I do understand the fear and frustration that goes along with having these conditions, and the difficulties with screening. I had my first surgical biopsy when I was 16, and then another at 24. I've been having mammograms for as long as I can remember. I've had 6 biopsies in all, and more fine needle aspirations (for cysts) than I can remember. I too have extremely dense breast tissue, and I've been dealing with call-backs all my life. It's not easy and there have been many times over the years when I've wondered if I should consider having a PBMX. It seemed like such a simple thing to do - just scoop out the natural breast tissue and fill it up again with an implant. Done. Well, no. It turns out that it's not anything like that and it's not nearly so easy.


    At 49 I was diagnosed with breast cancer when calcifications were spotted on my mammogram. My breast cancer was completely unrelated to all my previous issues. The good news for me is that because I had all these issues, I always have been very careful to get my screenings, and so when I was diagnosed, my cancer was caught at the earliest possible stage. I consider that to be the silver lining for all my years of problems and because of that, my prognosis is excellent. In the end I had to have a MX - and I learned how different it is in reality to what I had thought it would be. So in hindsight I am very glad that I had both my breasts (and all that natural sensation) for all those years. When I discovered that I needed to have the MX, despite all the years of thinking that maybe I should get rid of them both, I made the decision to have a single MX, and now, 8 years later, I'm glad about that decision too.


    Maybe a PBMX is the right thing for you to do in order to get peace of mind if you really are high risk - I'm not saying that it's not or that it would be the wrong thing to do. I don't know what's right for you. But make sure you make an educated decision, fully understanding whether you really are (or may be) high risk, and fully understanding what's involved with a MX and reconstruction (if you plan on having reconstruction). The grass is always greener on the other side, but don't under-estimate what's involved or how it might impact your life and your body.

  • DiveCat
    DiveCat Member Posts: 968
    edited November 2013


    To add to what Beesie has said, the majority of young women do have dense breasts (I do too! As well as very painful fibrocystic breasts that make sure I am ALWAYS aware they are there, ha). Have you discussed with your medical providers the possibility of adding annual MRI breast screening to your annual mammograms? They do end up returning more "false positives" as they are so much more sensitive, but they are much better for screening dense breasts than mammograms are.


    I also agree with her about seeing a genetic counselor, if you have not already done so. They are best to actually go over YOUR actual risk and provide you different options for prevention and/or early detection if your risk assessment does put you into a high risk category. They may also have recommendations for testing.


    As Beesie said, PBMX may be the right decision for you in the end, but do go in very eyes open. I am not much older than you, high risk, and after years of consideration and many discussions with genetic counselors and other medical providers, am in early stages of planning my PBMX with my surgeons, but I am also going ahead with very open eyes to the complications and realities of this surgery. I am definitely not doing this because of density, or fibrocystic condition, but truly my high risk and family history. Some do have very few complications, but you still will be dealing with lost sensation, a potentially long recovery, and so forth. Others do have more serious complications...like failed flaps or implants, necrosis, chronic pain, infection, and so on. I have seen a few young and healthy women getting prophylactic mastectomies for high risk/BRCA+ who have had pretty serious complications, so being young and healthy does not give us a pass from those!






    I would call your insurer to ask them exactly what they need. They will be the one doing the approval and are best to advise what they in particular need (it may vary from insurer to insurer anyway). I am in Canada so no insurance issues to deal with or real "approval" system. Basically I just had to have my risk assessment, which puts me into the high risk clinical guidelines that include prophylactic mastectomy, and my surgeon be on board.

  • lisa-e
    lisa-e Member Posts: 819
    edited November 2013


    I would like to echo Bessie's post. A BMX, with or without reconstruction, is not something to enter into lightly. Before making a decision you should be fully educated about the risks and possible side effects, you should understand your risk of developing breast cancer and you should consider how it will effect your life. I have permanent side effects from a bmx to treat my cancer. It is one thing to have side effects from necessary surgery, it is another thing to have them from prophylactic surgery.

  • sophie0
    sophie0 Member Posts: 4
    edited November 2013


    I have already seen a genetic counselor, and we are working on a detailed family history, plus submitting documentation for approval for genetic testing. I'll discuss the remaining issues with my doctor and genetic counselor.

  • lisa-e
    lisa-e Member Posts: 819
    edited November 2013


    It is good that you are seeing a genetic counselor and getting genetic couseling.



    I think you should also meet with a physical therapist, to discuss the ramifications of a bmx, including lymphedema. It is good to gather as much information as possible, from many different sources.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited November 2013


    Sophie, your genetic testing will only really be meaningful if someone in your family who has had breast cancer is also tested.


    The question is whether there is an identifiable genetic cause for all the breast cancer in your family, and if so, whether you have that same genetic mutation. If it is known that a particular genetic mutation is causing the cancer in your family and if you don't have that mutation, that will be a true negative and you will know that you are average risk and not high risk.


    However if you test negative for all the known mutations without knowing if any of these mutations are in your family, that will be an "uninformed negative" and it really won't tell you whether you are high risk or average risk. It could be that a yet-to-be discovered mutation is what's causing all the cancer in your family and in that case, there is no way to know if you have that mutation or not. So without knowing whether or not a known mutation is causing the cancer in your family, there much less value in your results.


    The exception of course is if you test positive, in which case you will know that you are high risk. But given that you don't have any first degree relatives with breast cancer, your likelihood of testing positive is probably less than 25%. Even if you knew that your mother had a known mutation, your risk would only be 50% because this is a gene that we inherit either from our mother or our father. So your mother having the mutation only gives you a 50% chance of having it too. Knowing that a grandmother or aunt has the mutation would put your risk at about 25%. And not knowing whether they do or not would lower your likelihood of testing positive even more.

  • sophie0
    sophie0 Member Posts: 4
    edited November 2013


    Unfortunately those that had breast cancer have all passed away, so I have no way of knowing about their testing. I do already meet with a PT, as my previous breast surgery left me with such horrible scar tissue that I have lasting issues (even ten years later), including pain, limited motion, etc. Another surgery would only cause further damage, so I would be making sure my PT and doctor are on the same page before I decide anything. Thanks for the additional information.

  • AZ85048
    AZ85048 Member Posts: 2,613
    edited December 2013


    Hi, sohie0,


    I just had a PBMX in August of this year. I got one bad mammogram, and then another. I was then told to go see a surgeon and because he didn't like the look of the microcalcifications that had shown up in the mamogram, he sent me for a needle biopsy where they found DCIS. I then had a left breast excision during which they found LCIS. As I've had a severe case of fibrocystic breast disease in both breasts for over twenty years, that was also a consideration. And when I revealed that aside from a family history of breast cancer - mother, grandmother, aunts, cousins, both sides of the family - my mother had taken a drug called diethylstilbestrol during her pregnancy while carrying me. So having not one but four different high risk conditions put me on the fast track to a PBMX and I had mine just three weeks after the excision. I never had to provide anything to the insurance company as my surgeon submitted all the documentation. And after all is said and done, we all have to live with our decisions and I can honestly say that I made the right one for me - I'd do it again in a heart beat. I hope that helps you a little...

  • sarahjane7374
    sarahjane7374 Member Posts: 669
    edited December 2013


    I did not have to submit anything to the insurance company - my surgeon handled all that. To my knowledge, the fact that my sister had BC at age 28 was included in my file but he did not have to submit any proof of that to help justify my surgery. They did deny the first submission, however after a brief phone conversation from my BS, they approved the procedure and everything proceeded on schedule.

  • Bibo
    Bibo Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013


    I did not have to supply any thing like that...I have it in most of my medical records that my mother and sisters and many other relatives died of breast cancer and various other cancers, and that was good enough for my insurance company...I did not have to do brca testing either. I had a couple lumps removed on a previous insurance and i still had a small scar,,,did not even have to get those records either...Good luck to you.

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