Negative for BRACA gene, but had strong family history
Hi,
I have a strong family history of breast and other cancers on my mothers side of the family. My Mom had five distinct cancers (not metatasis) and two were breast cancers, her two sisters both had breast cancer, my maternal cousin died of breast cancer at 26 about 40 years ago, my other maternal cousin died of colon cancer at 54 and her brother was diagnosed with colon cancer at 56.
I have been getting annual mammograms and MRI's for five years and in the winter of 2012 was tested for the BRACA gene mutations and did not have them. Four months later, May 2012 I was diagnosed with Stage 1, Grade 3, HER2 Positive Breast cancer and underwent a Bi-lateral Mastectomy, reconstruction and chemotherapy and a year of herceptin treatments. This summer I did more testing for a larger panel of genetic screening and was just called and told that one of the genes was positive for a mutation. It is called the NBN gene.
I haven't yet met with the familial cancer oncologist and genetic counselor to better understand what exactly this means for me and my family. Do any of you have any experience with these more indepth genetic cancer screening test?
Thanks,
Julieho
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i was checked for several syndromes BEFORE they checked me for BRCA because I had ovarian cancer and both my dad's mom & sister had colon cancer, but I was negative for them all. This is why I tell people to ask for a referral for genetic counseling, not BRCA testing. There may be more likely candidates when they do a full family history.
I hadn't heard of this one before. Evidently it runs in people of Slavic descent. -
Melissa,
Thanks for your response. The little I have been able to research about this gene mutation is that it runs in people of slavic descent - which is strange because as far as I knew my mothers family was english/welch on my maternal grandfathers side and english/german on my maternal grandmothers side.
But, I am wondering now if the German in my mothers family - which were my great grandparents, so it was prior to the "East/West Europe" distinction were in fact Eastern European Germans.
Anyway, I will find out more on November 7th when I meet with my genetic counselor and the familial cancer specialist but sometimes I have found this site to be really helpful in finding out what actual women have experienced themselves so I thought I would also post it here.
I agree with you - that if you have a strong family history get a more complete genetic screening than just the Brca test. Although, like you I was negative for that and four months after found out I had breast cancer so the genetic testing helps you understand your risk, etc. but by no means is a clear indicator either way that you will or will not have the disease.
Thanks for posting.
Julieho -
thank you for the interesting post Julieho. What kind of screen was yours called? Meaning what kind of test? I had neg BRCA but never am too confident that there isn't something else. What is the name of the test to ask for? -
Beacon, I was checked for PTEN & CHEK2 before BRCA because of the colon cancer in my family. -
Beacon800
Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner regarding the test I had. I wasn't sure of the answer. I met with the genetic counselor yesterday and all I know is that it was a 40 gene panel done from a blood draw and sent to the University of Washington Medical Center and is called a BROCA cancer risk panel. I tested positive for what is called a heterozygous deleterious mutation in the NBN gene. This mutation is linked in studies to a two to threefold risk ratio for breast cancer vs the regular population and is also possibly linked to colon, sarcoma, lymphoma, melanoma and prostate - although there have not yet been any conclusive studies for this gene mutation in those cancer groups.
I was told that because I already had a BMX when they found the tumor in my left breast and was treated with chemo and herceptin for my HER2 positive status that my follow up would remain the same. No annual scans, 10 year checks for colon cancer, annual skin checks and every three month follow ups with my breast surgeon or oncologist. If I have any symptoms of concern they would of course follow up on those.
My children will be tested to see if they inherited this gene mutation but not until they are 35 years old as that is when the genetic counselor and oncologist felt a positive for this gene mutation would mean they would begin screening for breast cancers and at 40 begin screening for colon, prostate (in the males) and skin cancers.
Not sure if this is helpful to you but wanted to follow up.
Take care,
Julieho -
I had the Broca testing after BRCA came back negative, too. There were no mutations found for me. My HMO was willing to pay for it because I had a personal history of colon cancer at 30 and pre-menopausal breast cancer at 42. I've said in many posts that any suspicion of a genetic basis for cancer should be discussed with a licensed genetic counselor. As Melissa has said, there are times when syndromes other than BRCA should be tested first. Melissa - were you tested for the mutations that cause Lynch Syndrome? The classic Lynch cancers are colon and uterine, but there are several others. My GC had the lab pull my old colon polyp and run an IHC test as a first step in my process as Lynch was her first suspicion. That particular test isn't 100% especially with an in situ cancer like mine but Lynch was definitively ruled out thanks to the Broca panel. This is all in its infancy and many doctors have no training or education that qualifies them to request or refuse tests. My GC had me examined by a geneticist to look for signs of any of the other known syndromes before they authorized the Broca. Stick with a GC to start the process. -
My sister was diagnosed with IDC breast cancer at age 44. Her treatment included a lumpectomy, radiation, and chemo. She is now 60 and has remained cancer free. I was diagnosed with DCIS this past winter at age 64. I had a bilateral mastectomy. Following my diagnosis but prior to my surgery, I underwent genetic testing for BRAC1 and BRAC2 and my results were negative. My sister then decided to also be tested; however, her test included 25 additional genes. She was found to be BRAC1 & BRAC2 negative but was found to have a variant in the NBN gene. We are of Slavic, Eastern Europe decent and have a history of breast, ovarian, and uterine cancers on my father's side of the family. My sister is still waiting on a follow-up letter from the genetic counselor but was sent the following article regarding the gene. We found it interesing.
http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/NBN
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Hi Everyone!
Yes! BRACA testing in my opinion is so very incomplete in determining the hereditary genes and I worry that a lot of bc patients do not understand this. This test is pushed with most treatment but, it only tests for genes that have been identified by researchers known for the hereditary link. There are still so many unknowns!!!!
I tested negative and my mother in law tested negative. Since paternal and maternal sides for my daughter have had bc, my onc told me she should begin mammograms at age 25. I never did go to a Geneticist.
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So good to finally have some responses on this thread.
We finally tested my deceased maternal Aunt who died if breast cancer and she also has the same NBN mutation that I have. Two of her children got colon cancer in their fifties, one died and so far the other survived.
What is odd is with all the breast, lung, colon, and other cancers into maternal family and confirming that two generations of us have these gene mutation they don't seem interested in studying our family, which we offered.
They keep saying well we don't really know a lot about the NBN mutation so just ask family members to be screened prior to age forty and if they have it we will watch them more closely.
Due to all of my aunts and Mom having multiple breast and other cancers and having two maternal cousins die one of breast the other of colon and now two more, myself having breast and a cousin having colon this seems counterintuitive.
Very frustrating and I am so frightened I passed this mutation along to my children. They will be screened for it when they are 35.
Thanks for posting jarmick and vfay49.
Julieho
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Wow - So glad I happened upon this thread. (Gulp - I think I'm glad.) vfay - thanks for the link re: nbn mutation. I guess I'd better ask my genetic guy about this.
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This was the test I got. The insurance agreed to pay for it because of a strong family history.
http://www.ambrygen.com/tests/cancernext
Thankfully all were negative. But in some ways that is not necessarily good news. They still think there might be some genetic predisposition but just one they haven't discovered yet, and the genetic counselor kinda has the attitude "better the devil you know than the one you don't" so to speak. But I'm glad. I just have routine monitoring, nothing special.
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Hi Everyone!
I guess the benefits of being tested outweigh not knowing?? The benefit (unfortunately) is knowing if you are tested positive. The knowledge can help our children although I hate to think they will fear being pre-disposed to the disease. That is what I worry about for my kids is their mental state regardless of my negative result. Cancer affected my own paternal and mothers side of the family. Other than a mother with skin cancer at 88 and a sister at 64 who have been blessed with remaining free of the disease, I have many uncles, cousins, my grandmother, who have all had different types of cancer from bc, ovarian, prostate, lung, kidney, colon, the list goes on and on. Geesh! How depressing! I am an excellent example of testing negative and having many hereditary incidences. Testing negative means squat in my family!
Hugs to everyone!
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I tested negative and two cousins on my maternal side tested positive for the BRCA mutations. Every woman save for me has had breast cancer. My mother and two aunts died from it. So I couldn't agree more with you jramick. There's a lot more work to be done mapping out familial risks.
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Hi, jumping in here because I've got a bunch of similar questions.I was dx w stage 1 lobular BC in 2010 at age 49. Had the BRCA test which was negative. Decided to have the extended gene sequencing tested because we have a curious thing going on in my family. I have 6 cousins who have had BC all related through my maternal grandmother, yet none are a first degree relatives of mine. My mother, her sister and their mother or her sister didn't have BC, yet these cousins in my generation did. The sequencing showed 3 brca2 mutations of unknown clinical significance. None of the other cousins have had the extended sequencing done and I sometimes wonder if they'd find the same mutations and perhaps we would discover a new mutation. We are of eastern European, Slavic Ashkenazi Jewish descent. Mom did have lung cancer in 2009 and survived. Dad died of leukemia in 2012. Not sure if this is relevant. Lots of smart geneticists here in israel due to the prevalence of the BRCA genes in the population and they told me not to think about this. But I do wonder. Any thoughts would be appreciated:)
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sgreenarch - So glad you did "jump" in! The extended sequencing you had done - was that the same as the BART? If not, is there a name for the extending sequencing? That is what I love about this site. We get to tap the resources and wisdom of folks all over the world.
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farmerlucy,
Actually according to Myriad, the stats are more like 92.5% of those with a mutation tested positive on BRCA, and 7.5% tested positive on BART. HOWEVER, less than 1% of those who test negative on BRCA actually get a positive on BART. Those of Latin American, Carribean, etc descent are more likely to be positive on BART than those of European descent.
I am one of those with a negative BRCA/BART result - and so I was left as an uninformed negative rather than a true negative as there are no know mutations in my family. Initially after testing negative I was left dealing with some uncertainty for a while and a real desire to find the one true answer for my family's cancer history. I did have other testing done and a few variations that have been linked as perhaps being lower to moderate penetrance variations in various genes (like BRCA2, PALB2, and a few others) did show up. At this point there is nothing "clinically actionable" or even decisive about risk for those variations, or combination of variations though so it is not like it clarified anything that way or there is much that can be done with it. Maybe it is just of interest for researchers at this point. However, for me it was enough at that point to say "yup, given my family history it is possible that there are polygenic factors at play and these may or may not be some of them" and accepting that I might not ever have a firm grasp of whether or not there is a 'significant' mutation going on. There may be, but it really might be the result of many smaller less significant variations to which I may never have a certain answer. My genetic counselor feels quite certain that my family history is likely the result of polygenic factors, and that is not something that at this point in time one can figure out if they are a "true negative" for or not.
My family history also so far involves metastatic disease/recurrence in every case, most recently my mother, 8 years out of her diagnosis. I understand there can be genetic factors involved in that too, but quite frankly, it only drives home the point for me that counting on "catching it early" in my family has not worked out too well. For me high risk screening was not enough for me. I am hoping my surgery will increase chance of being the first woman in my maternal family to see my 60s in a long time (though I hope my mother beats me to it and can get a few good years in).
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Divecat - Thanks for the correction. I suspected my % were wrong. Yeah - the whole catching it early thing sucks. I'd hope not to catch it at all!
I hope your recover is going well. I hope you mother is also doing well. Take care!
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Thanks Ladies for sharing this info.. I had the BRCA1 AND 2 TEST done because of strong family history on my mother side of the family and father's side of the family. My results came back Negative but was told everyone should still be tested because I may just have a gene they not testing for and someone else in the family may have the current gene being tested for. My family have all types of cancer's in it. My diagnosis has made me feel more transparent to everyone about the importance of getting care.
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