October 2013 Chemotherapy

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  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited October 2013


    Dear Relocated,


    I am in a different chemo treatment but I can tell you that the water intake is the most important piece to relieve you from SE.


    Drink tonight at least one liter. Before your treatment drink another one. And after the treatment keep drinking more to flush the toxins out.


    Bring crackers, ginger snaps, or any other bland food to the session. You might have to stay there longer than what you thought and get hungry. Today I brought slippers to walk to the restrooms while having the infusion. So much water makes you go very often.


    The first time I had the chemo i was so nervous that I asked for Ativan or Zanax in the IV. I never take those, but this time I requested them because I was so scared of the whole thing that it made sense. I felt tranquil after that and in this second session I requested the same.


    You will do great. Don't forget to bring your blanket. Try to feel at home.


    The nurse told me to bring a tiara next time and I might do it! You can be a queen for a day!


    Praying for you tonight!

  • Jianchi
    Jianchi Member Posts: 352
    edited October 2013


    why no to soy protein? I am having whey protein every day, hope that's OK. I need to google blood builder ...

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited October 2013

    Jianchi - soy CAN be an issue if you are ER+.  Whey protein is fine.

    You can find the Blood Builder at Amazon; that's where I find it at the best price.

  • Jianchi
    Jianchi Member Posts: 352
    edited October 2013


    Lili, thanks a lot!

  • MsJean63
    MsJean63 Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2014

    Vivian-i took a xanax before my 2nd session and it was a much more pleasant experience.  Xanax is comparable to ativan, which is another drug for nausea.  My SE during first treatment were horrible cramps, which made me nauseous.  I took a xanax and Tylenol and got a couple hours of sleep.  So, I say sleeping through SE, is the best if you can.

    Relocated- did ice chips both times during AC push, no mouth sores, plus is adds to fluid intake, every bit counts.  Nurse told me today I could bring in popsicles.  Made it hard when I tried to answer phone call from eye Dr., but I wasn't spitting out ice for anything.

    My friend made me a small pillow to put in my chemo bag, so if I wanted to take a nap I could.  It's noisy, there are 17 chairs, divided in two sections, with the TV, pump alarms going off, nurses running around, people talking, I'd need two xanax to sleep.

  • Jianchi
    Jianchi Member Posts: 352
    edited October 2013


    all of a sudden just want to have a good cry ...


    Good night everyone

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited October 2013


    Sorry to read about your surgery SpecialK. I hope you feel better.


    Good luck to the tomorrow starters and for the Wed gals I hope your day was ok and that everyone has a good sleep. I will be thinking of you.


    My home care nurse said my wound is getting smaller. I am taking iron for the anemia and am hopeful that things are going to improve.

  • JenSF
    JenSF Member Posts: 45
    edited October 2013


    hi SpecialK, thank you soooo much for your tips. Yes, the pain is worst at hip and all along legs. Couldn't even stand or walk for short while. I wrote to my MO who is usually off on Wed. Nothing from her yet, How relieving to see your note. It made sense now. I decided to take 2 Tyrenol an hour earlier instead of 1 like this afternoon. My DH said 2 is actually the regular dosage. I felt relieved almost within 30 mins. So it worked! Got to spent a happy hour with my daughter reading and warm chats..... Both of us were happy when I tugged her to bed. Lesson learnt - don't fight the pain by trying to avoid the med (foolish me!). it's okay when we need it....better than to create all these unnecessary stress.......Jen

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    Thanks everyone for the good thoughts!


    LiLi - for the record, my MO did not give me any restrictions either on food, lol! But he also gives Neulasta to all his patients from the outset. It worked beautifully for me, never struggled with low WBC, and I ate both raw and cooked produce throughout chemo. It is important for all of you to ask your docs their viewpoint on this subject, some are very good at providing this info ahead of time, others not so much!

  • Pam358
    Pam358 Member Posts: 294
    edited October 2013


    SpecialK - sorry you are needing to deal with another cancer and surgeries. I hope the incision heals quickly.


    Lisa and relocatedtarheel - good luck today. I did do the ice chips, clinic actually provided them for me, and I had minimal mouth issues.


    I have also been doing baking soda and salt rinses several times a day after brushing my teeth as instructed by my clinic. I have had salivary gland cancer and have had a gland removed so I need to be attentive since l am more prone to a dry mouth.


    The nausea SE seems a little improved since last time - we'll see what daybreak brings.

  • relocatedtarheel
    relocatedtarheel Member Posts: 159
    edited October 2013


    good luck lisa!

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited October 2013


    FYI, it is true that. Any MOs tell you to eat all foods. Remember they are not nutritionists and they might want to make you feel comfortable by thinking it is still your normal life. But if there is a way to prevent SE I would. So far not eating greasy fried food, spicy has helped.


    At my first chemo they provided me with a number of literature, one. I guess is free from the ACS and the other is from the infusion center's nutritionist. Please ask if there is a nutritionist in the premises. You will have plenty of time to talk to him or her while the infusion.


    As for the raw fruits and vegetables, they told me to eat fruits that have a hard skin like bananas, watermelon, cantaloupe, plus they are a good source of fluids. Somebody mentioned, i think Vivian about using a 10th of dish soap and a 10th of bleach with water to rinse the thin skin fruits and vegetables. All is to prevent any type of bacteria digestion. This is a very good norm for everybody in our families and to add to our lives after this war. We don't want to get this again! I opted for: no more read meats, more smoothies and juices, add yoga to my schedule. Still working on that one because of my tight schedule...


    Today I woke up fine, slept though the night except for my four stops to the ladies room. I have a little headache. Same as the day after the first chemo. I can now say I am half way through! Only two more to go! And PS said we can replace expanders for anatomic implants a month after the last chemo,if I don't need more expansions, yeeeh!


    Good luck Thursday girls! One less to go!

  • lgkgde13
    lgkgde13 Member Posts: 164
    edited October 2013


    I do ice chips during AC treatments and so far no mouth sores. I do have dry mouth issues for about one week post treatment. I have been using the biotene mouth wash. That seems to help. Thanks for the jolly rancher tip specialk that has helped as well. So sorry to hear about your incision and skin cancer. Hoping your incision heals quickly. A very close extended family member was just diagnosed with BC yesterday. She is my Mom's best friend. My poor mom is such a worrier so between me and her friend not sure how much else she can take :)

  • Macy187833
    Macy187833 Member Posts: 182
    edited October 2013


    Hope everyone is well!


    SpecialK, your story of flat tires, being dropped off at the center by a cop and the tornado induced power failures did give me a chuckle. I'm in no way laughing at what you've had to go through, but sometimes we just gotta find the humor in what is otherwise a rough journey! :)


    I'm feeling pretty good. I went for a follow-up check-up yesterday and my WBC was low. MO didn't seem to concerned and expected it to come up by next Wednesday in time for infusion #2. I've just been feeling dragged down the last couple of days, not sure if that is from the WBC or not. Feel a little better today!


    My cancer center also recommended the salt and baking soda mouth rinse. I've had no trouble with mouth sores so far. I will start using the rinse as a pre-emptive strike a couple of days before #2.


    Wishing everyone a good, SE-free day!

  • Macy187833
    Macy187833 Member Posts: 182
    edited October 2013


    @lgkgde13: my mom is the same way as your mom. She lost my dad and her best friend to cancer and then my aunt was also diagnosed with colon cancer this year. When I first heard my diagnosis, my first concern was for my poor mother. I figured the news would do her in, but she has been strong for me. I hope your mom does okay with everything. Sometimes I think it is almost harder on the ones who care for us than us, the ones who have BC. They feel so helpless!

  • 70charger
    70charger Member Posts: 963
    edited October 2013


    For anyone wondering about flu shots , this was posted at my Cancer hospital yesterday:


    If your treatments are every 1 or 2 weeks, get your shot day before treatment.


    If your treatments are every 3 or 4 weeks, get your shots 3 days before treatment.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    Thanks for the good wishes - I have had a lot of skin cancer, I am a California girl and definitely laid out by the pool or the beach - paying the price for the first 20 years! This is the first one that has had to be removed with this more involved surgical method, as it was a recurrence.


    macy - I have laughed at every one of those events, just for their ridiculousness - I want you to also!!! Much about this situation is laugh or cry - I have chosen to laugh every time! The tornado was interesting - the infusion room is all windows so there was enough light, and those of us who started early in the morning had enough battery power in the IV pumps, but they turned away all the people who came after noon for chemo. I imagine it made the next day a nightmare for the staff trying to fit everyone in. The worst part is that the bathrooms are windowless - it was so dark that the nurses had to stand outside with the door cracked holding a flashlight shining in - so much for any modesty! It was like getting chemo while camping, lol!


    I feel so bad for those who care for us to not only find out that we have breast cancer, but if they have others who have been diagnosed with cancer as well. One of the hardest people for me to tell was a good friend who mom passed from long term stage IV BC/ovarian. She is much younger than I am, but she has been a wonderfully supportive friend throughout all of this, but I always wondered if that support came at an emotional cost for her.

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited October 2013


    SpecialK, you are very special indeed! I just read what happened to you. I hope you stayed home after all day! Today you might want to play the lotto, you might win!


    What you just wrote is so true of what I feel and I think all of us think when sharing our cancer treatment, now obvious with no hair. All our friends and families have fears of all sorts. Sometimes age is a big one. Like my parents. I still haven't seen my mother. I don't want her to see me like this. I am usually doing a lot of charity events and raising money via fashion show, I am definitely not a model, but like to volunteer in all I can. For my parents to see me like this is very shocking. My dad and step mom had the hardest time the day of the surgery. They extended the time another three hours and they were calling my husband non stop with no more answer other than what the nurses told him: all is ok. My husband finally told me that story in tears. Too much stress for him having his parents with a lot of issues as well. It is like all happened at the same time.


    BUT WE HAVE TO BE STRONG, not letting anything, not even a stupid cancer get in our way to help other people and make them live the life they deserve.


    PS: just took a dexamethasone, oinc oinc! Hope it helps. I feel squeaky today.

  • gia444
    gia444 Member Posts: 68
    edited October 2013


    I am now on my 2nd day after chemo infusion. I sucked on the ice chips and I think it helped. The only SE I have now is fatigue and last night I had heartburn. Hope it stays that way. The anti nausea meds are helping.


    Thank you SpecialK for all the great information.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    headeast - I'm good - not to worry! I am taking it easy today, but going out to run some errands and then I will go to the Buc's/Panthers football game tonight. My DH was born and raised in Miami - he was in Miami Shores last weekend! One thing to remember about this experience is that the treatment part - with all its physical changes - does not last that long in the grand scheme of things. Your hair will grow back, you will resume your normal activities, and while you will be changed by this experience, life does return to a mostly normal state!

    It is hard on family and friends to see someone they love go through this but don't deny them the opportunity to support you because you don't want to scare or worry them - it is important for them to feel connected to you and able to help you. Hopefully you will all come out the other side of this with even more appreciation for each other!


    gia - glad to hear you are doing well!

  • Annecy
    Annecy Member Posts: 54
    edited October 2013


    Pam- hope that the SE remains minimal for the rest of the day.


    wrenn- so glad to hear that the healing has begun & the situation is improving for you.


    JenSf- It appears that we are on the regiment. I started my TX on 10/16 followed by 5 Neupogen injections. I have experienced excessive bone pain during the course of the injections and hearburn (not sure if it's related to Neupogen or Tylenol ?) Just wondering if you have already inquired with your MO about taking "Claritin" during the Neupogen shots ? Reading the posts, it appears that sisters on Neulasta & claritin have mush less SEs than us on Neupogen.


    SpecialK- what an incredible day you had on latest surgery day! I have been on BCO for a short time. However, I learned from your previous posts that you have gone through a lot in the past 3 years. It seems that you have remained strong & up beat . My hat is off to you, Sister!


    Good day to all!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited October 2013


    Lots of information today. Thank you. I think I will get my flu shot this week.


    Nicole do you have a "relationship" with your oncologist? There was a women in the bed next to me when I was in the hospital last time and her oncologist visited her often. I have only seen mine for 5 minutes at the end of the initial 2 hour visit where a resident doctor did everything. The next appointment I didn't see him at all but saw a resident who told me to not take Claritin and in fact chuckled at the idea. It is also impossible to contact the oncologist. You have to leave messages at the cancer agency and a nurse or counsellor calls back. I am kind of jealous of people who talk about asking their onc questions. I would especially like a long conversation at my next appointment where it will be determined whether I have chemo or not. I have a lot of questions and am already planning speeches in my head in response to their expected non response. The speeches aren't nice. Guess I should wait and see.


    I took the bus to get the Blood Builder and the woman at the store (Finlandia in Vancouver) was very helpful and had tons of information. I will go back if I don't get chemo to see what I can do to minimize chances of recurrence.


    I am hoping those getting their infusion today are doing ok and will have a good recovery from it. xoxo

  • lgkgde13
    lgkgde13 Member Posts: 164
    edited October 2013


    not sure if it is just me or what but I have definitely felt the fatigue after treatment 2 much longer than 1. I don't feel like doing anything :(. I don't know if it is fatigue or maybe depression from hair loss I know that sounds silly but I hate going out now bc I have to put wig or hat on. Maybe the change in weather here in NE? I have the sniffles too sigh... Trying to stay upbeat

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited October 2013
    Wrenn, I wouldn't like that type of treatment at all. It is not just you. We expect to be treated professionally, it is his job and seems he doesn't care about it. Can you talk to the social worker and tell about that and change doctors within the same team? I changed my whole group of doctors before getting into surgery, in fact, hospitals. I wasn't comfortable with an of them. No bedside manners. Maybe knowledge was good, but in moments like this we want the best and not to be relying on website members only.
    lg, I got used to my scarves and hats. I am wearing scarves and a hat on top of them. With matching colors. I guess people are used to them because I usually wear hats. Try big earrings instead of small ones.
    Nicole, my MO hasn't ordered Neupogen nor Neulasta for me. I am also on chemo 2. Had it yesterday. TC as well. Everybody is different.
    70charger, thank you for your post. Yes, in fact my MO told me to get a flu shot the week before the chemo. My treatments are every 3 weeks.
  • trudylary
    trudylary Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2013


    Currently going through chemo, just finished my 4th chemo last Thursday. I am getting it every two weeks. So far I am able to work full time, run and windsurf. Losing my hair was no big deal, however everyone thinks I am now an old Asian man. Reading this discussion board helps. My main concern is with re-occurrence after the chemo, as this seems to be the most dangerous part of breast cancer. I just read that re-occurrence happens in 20-30% of early stage cancer and this is usually when the cancer spreads and that deaths from cancer have really not improved in the last 40 years. Here's the link:


    http://forum.tnbcfoundation.org/tnbcf-joins-metastatic-breast-cancer-alliance_topic11580.html?FID=3&PR=3

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited October 2013


    Headeast I am going to bring it up at the next appointment. I think how our caregivers makes a huge difference with how we heal. Meeting my new family practice doc made me feel like I was getting strength just being around her.


    Trudylary It sounds like you are handling chemo really well. I was told there would be a 30% change the cancer would come back if I didn't have chemo and 20% if I did chemo. I have read a lot about people with low stage cancers moving on the stage 4 not too long after chemo. It is scary.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    Ladies - keep in mind that "early stage" includes up to, and including, stage 3. Try not to think about the percentage that do recur, but rather the much larger percentage that do not.

  • lonnie713
    lonnie713 Member Posts: 236
    edited October 2013


    thanks for the information. I was given the ok to juice and eat raw but only if I prepare it myself. I can't eat it out, nothing to do with the cancer itself but bacteria contamination.


    Specialk you rock! I will get those reditabs for sure. I feel like I am prepared (kinda sorta) for my first infusion on the 31st. So far everything you've suggested has been ok'd with my oncologist.


    Feel better to all who had an infusion.

  • lonnie713
    lonnie713 Member Posts: 236
    edited October 2013


    I got my flu shot today. My oncologist said that i would not be able to get it once treatment starts.

  • gia444
    gia444 Member Posts: 68
    edited October 2013


    lgkgde13, I can relate. I have only had 1 infusion and I am very fatigued. I don't know how people can work through all the treatments. I don't feel like doing anything.


    Trudylary, good for you, finishing your 4th chemo. I can hardly wait until I get to that point.


    SpecialK, that is a good way to look at things. You are an angel..

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