Gerson Therapy
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Not surprising. Do your research....Gerson is a fraud. -
I can see how veggie juices could help optimize nutrition. It may not cure cancer, but at least there is some sort of logic to that one.
What kills me is the enema business. There is absolutely no basis for thinking that excessive enemas (or even non-excessive ones) will do anything against cancer and the idea of doing it with coffee is so completely ridiculous that it still boggles my mind every time I see a reference to it. Besides, it can be downright dangerous to flush coffee up your rectum 3-4 times a day. -
Just letting you know that Jessica Ainscough mother, Sharyn, died from breast cancer last Friday. Jessica has just made a blog post about it. Also the type of cancer Jessica has is called epitheloid sarcoma. It usually grows quite slowly so it can take a long time before any serious symptoms develop, even without treatment. If you look closely at recent photos of Jessica you can see lesions in her arm and one of her fingers is always bent over. For these reasons, I believe that she still has cancer. She herself admits that she does not know if she is cured or not and has declined tests that would allow her to find out for sure. -
Evidence, thanks for letting us know. -
To anyone at all interested in the Gerson Therapy there are other, much more supportive sites than this one where the members are kind and community oriented rather than judgemental and cynical. I am healing just fine on Gerson. As Jess Ainscough herself pointed out this week, no one therapy works for every single person as every one of us is an individual. I know far too many people who have followed the advice of their doctors to the letter and still succumbed to their illness. It's important to respect each person's choice of treatment and not cast judgement upon them. We are all, I think it's fair to say, seeking healing at the end of the day. The Gerson Therapy is not particularly easy to follow but it can and does heal the human organism. However, it's important to remember that no protocol works 100% of the time for everyone. If you are genuinely interested in finding out more there are some great youtube videos of Charlotte Gerson on the net. There are some very mean spirited people who have posted here and I can only wonder at their motivation for doing so. I am glad that I've found other, much more supportive sites which is why I am no longer active on this one. -
Roadshow...Completely agree! Why do some people quickly point out when women pass away on alternative protocols but never make a point when women pass away using Traditional protocols like chemo etc.????
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There are no peer-reviewed (reputable journals), evidence-based studies that indicate the efficacy of the Gerson protocol. Plain and simple.
roadshow, as to the motivation of "mean-spirited" people who post here about alternative therapies that have zero evidence for their effectiveness, it's on behalf of readers who might be tempted to waste their time and money (and perhaps, lives) on cancer quackery. Has nothing to do with spirit, mean or otherwise. -
There are multiple postings about lives lost to this horrible disease. Most of those women received the traditional standard of care which includes chemo.
There is nothing mean spirited about pointing out inaccurate information. As mmej points out, there is no evidence that the Gerson protocol is effective against cancer.
The difference being that Oncologists dont claim that chemo is a cure....there is no cure for cancer. However, there is loads of evidence that it is beneficial to many women. Where is the evidence that Gerson Therapy is beneficial to cancer? There is no evidence...only testimonials. Coffee enimas? Really? The rest of the Gerson Therapy is certainly healthy but a cure for cancer? No way.
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Gerson has never claimed to cure cancer. And, we are not children here. We all make our own educated choices with all of our research, so please leave well enough alone. Worry about your own 'steerings' without giving any attacks. Testimonials mean just as much to me as peer reviewed studies. Nobody will fund a peer reviewd study for any alternative protocol as there is no patented money to be made...beating a dead horse here. I know of many women personally who are still alive many years longer who have done Gerson/Gonzalez etc etc. I know many women who did chemo and have died and vice versa. The attacks only come out of your fear. We all have fears of making a wrong choice of treatment...it's all a crapshoot or up to God...whatever you believe...xxo
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Joelle, I am all for live and let live (and may we all live long and happy lives). I must, however, take issue with this idea, often expressed and not just by you, that it all depends what someone "believes." I don't think it is a very good idea to base something like cancer treatment on "belief." -
We all have to follow our gut. There are many success stories on both sides of traditional and non-traditional. There is no proof that chemo works either.
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Gerson claims to be a non-toxic cancer treatment. Their site also provides a ton of testimonials about how someone was "cured".
What is it with the constant claim of "attack"? Your not being attacked, you just have someone who disagree's with you.
Testimonials mean just as much as peer reviewed studies? Please tell me you are joking. That would mean that I should believe any knuckle-head that can put together a youtube video saying that the Gerson Therapy is great? Thats evidence?
With regard to money, are you saying that Gerson isnt make a ton of money in his "clinics" and by selling "big Herba"? By the way, clinics that are not in the US because he was thrown out before he was thrown in jail! Mexico and Hungary? Really?
Cancer treatment is a gamble because there is no cure. You know many people who have survived cancer on Gerson? I bet you every one of them had surgery. Many cancers disappear via surgery alone. But that standard of care is fine for everyone. I call it the cancer treatment buffet.
Your not being attacked and im not in fear. I do not fear that I made the wrong treatment choice. Im very comfortable with it. Im sure you are comfortable with yours however much I may disagree with it. -
Has anyone else read "Do you believe in magic?" by Paul Offit? My very alternative healing SIL pointed me to this book. A very good read, helps to elucidate the positions of lots of practitioners who therapies/ideas have been discussed on this forum. Like Gerson, Mercola, and Burtynski (I apologise for misspelling his name). -
Joelle, I agree that there can be situations where we go on gut or have to go on gut.
It is absolutely not true that there is no evidence that chemo works. To try to make the evidence for Gerson and that for chemo out to be the same is simply not realistic. -
@Kay....Do u mean this Paul Offit??? http://drpauloffit.org/
If anyone is making money...it would be him!! LOL
Dr. Wong makes no money on his herbs from me...I order them from somebody else. His initial consult was very cheap compared to what your insurance company pays your oncologist....If you had to pay for your traditional cancer treatment out of pocket would you? I am wondering if more traditional minded folks would look elsewhere at other treatments if they didn't have insurance to pay? Interesting question. -
I'm on the library waiting list for Dr. Offitt's book. I'm looking forward to reading it.
joellelee, how many alternative practitioners treat people who have no insurance/no money to pay them? They are not mandated to do so, like conventional (evidence-based) practitioners are, so I don't see the relevance of your question.
Also, don't you think that alternative practitioners get kickbacks from "Big Herba" and the labs who market some of those questionable diagnostic "tests?" If your Dr. Wong wasn't making any money off you, directly or not, why would he have you as a client?
Re the enemas specifically - they are useless and in some cases dangerous. Someone with anemia and/or low white counts (maybe low platelets, too), like a cancer patient, should not be putting themselves at risk of bleeding or infection. -
it was not my intention to be part of a polarized conversation. I thought only to share some information, and feel that that should be the point of this forum.
Since you ask, I try to be open minded. Also as a Canadian I have excellent medical coverage, and have coverage for access to many alternative therapies through extended healthcare insurance. So I can have whatever floats my boat. I have looked long and hard at many medical and alternative medicine treatments to try to find the best fit for me. I did have a mastectomy and I did do taxotere and herceptin for 6 months. Then went to letrozole and herceptin, and now I am only having herceptin every three weeks. By the end of the 6 months I was bald, sick, bone crushingly, soul suckingly fatigued and very unhappy. My blood pressure was elevated. I was taking a BP drug, gabapentin, dilaudid and started the conversation about ritalin to deal with these issues. I looked at alternative therapies to counter act the side effects from the drugs I was taking to get me to NED and couldn't find anything that did not have its OWN set of rather nasty side effects. So, 4 years after my diagnosis, I decided that I needed to get off all medications, including vitamins and supplements, except herceptin,which I believe is a game changer. I go to yoga 2x week, and meditate. I play with my grandchildren and I try to live as if the breast cancer is just more thing in my life. I believe the chemo and mastectomy, while not perfect, gave me a chance to get to NED and then try to figure out a way to LIVE with what I have been dealt. If I had opted for alternative therapies, Gerson springs to mind, I don't think I would have been able to buy as much time as I have had. But that is only my opinion.
I think that everyone needs to take as much time as they need, without ridicule or censure, to make decisions that will work for them. I think that the sisters who are writing here to make sure that their sisters in BCO have as much information as they can get in order to make informed decisions about their own health care are not (for the most part) trying to pooh-pooh anyone's ideas. But want the whole story out there. Thanks for the link to a negative link about Offit. I also found several, BMJ, Medscape that were not coming from the same place. -
Joelle - you raise a very good question:
Assuming I had no insurance, would I pay cash for the cancer treatment I received? I can say with 100% certainty yes! Im a very "left-brain" thinker....analytical, evidence based, etc. The cancer treatment I received has been proven to reduce my risk of death. On the other hand, would I pay $$ to Gerson or Gonzalez or Burzynski or the like? No way. Why? Because its not proven, their is no evidence, there is nothing to analyze, there is no data.
Like you, im headed for DIEP recon soon. You know what a big surgery that is. Did you follow the docs instructions prior to surgery? Did you take the meds they gave you? Did you follow their post op instructions? My assumption is that your answer is yes to all. If thats true, why is a surgeon with a scalpel and an anesthesiologist with anesthesia ok but an Oncologist with chemo is not? I find it hard to see the difference. Maybe you can help me understand.
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Mardibra....Easy answer. I consider myself open minded to all treatments, evaluating everything. I am not against surgery to get a tumor out...neither is Gonzalez/Gerson for that matter. But, I am against traditional chemo as a 'standard of care' for EVERYONE and not individualized. I believe in IPT chemo and considered it. I am not one with tunnel vision...I am integrative at heart.
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Joelle, in all fairness, chemo is not standard of care for everyone. Not by a long shot. Many women with BC do not get chemo, either because of early stage or because of an oncotype test. The oncotype test is definitely a form of individualized treatment. -
Testimonials really cannot be considered evidence. I know lots of people who smoke and none of them have lung cancer. Is this evidence that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer?
While Jessica has finally admitted that Gerson is not 100% effective, her earlier posts gave a different impression. For her new year's resolutions she wrote "Cultivate an even deeper trust in my body and it’s ability to heal. Always realise that as long as I’m giving it what it needs, it will reward me with perfect health." An earlier post regarding her mother stated "But the beauty of not having had conventional interference (in the form of surgery, chemo or radiation) means that mum is already at an advantage and it is going to be much easier for her to reverse the disease."
These and other earlier posts would give people the impression that Gerson is very effective. It seems the people behind Gerson gave Jessica some misleading information and she in turn has misled her audience. That's why I felt it was important to share the news of her mother's death. -
Hello! This is a rather old post, are you still on this site? If you would reply we can talk about the Gerson Therapy (in a positive vein!).
Thanks, B -
Please direct me to those other sites. I have been doing Gerson for two and a half months and am looking for supportive and encouraging comments, rather than negativitity especially from people who have not done their research into this therapy by called it a diet which of course it is not.
Thanks!
B -
Wink from Otto NC, this is B from Sylva NC, would love to connect. -
I've been aware of the gerson therapy for 43 years or so. I actually met by accident charlott gerson. I was visiting my mother is carmel valley, CA, I'd bused to the thunderbird book store at the head of the valley, a wonderful place, with a restaurant full of books too, I found the gerson book & was taking the bus back when charlott introduced herself to me on the same bus. she was living in the retirement community on the way to carmel valley. she'd noticed the book I was carrying. my mother actually had bought a huse in this retirement community but she sold it before she would have used it. you needed to move in before you got sick. I gave the book to my mother, unfortunately, I think, the photo in the book was ill advised to have been included. I'll say no more about that. & as I told charlott, my mother too much loved spare ribs to be influenced by her father's work. when I went back to the house 10 years later the book was gone. It was charlott who said in a piece I read on the net, when asked, that it was salt caused cancer, that in her childhood at home there was never salt in the food or on the table. we on the other hand always had little dishes of it with little "salt" spoons to apply it -
Salt causes cancer? Okey-doke. -
perhaps because it holds water, she didn't say. it certainly causes meniers syndrome. need to be careful to ingest enough iodine though if you delete salt from your diet -
No, Abigail, salt does not cause Meniere's disease. However, if you have Meniere's you want to avoid eating a lot of salt, because you want to avoid retaining fluid.
Still, Meniere's disease has absolutely nothing to do with cancer from anything I have seen. -
I would disagree. the meniers syndrom came on after a lifetime of eating a lot of salt. I figured dizziness low blood pressure & ate more of it. had horrendous vertigo attacks complete with drop attacks, but none since I stopped the salt. still dizzy & one ear some deaf but no debilitating attacks, no vertigo, no crawling to the john -
Abigail, you are, of course, free to disagree. But if you look up Meniere's Syndrome on wiki or the Mayo Clinic or similar, eating salt is not listed as a cause. Not eating salt can help control the disease, as you have experienced, but that does not mean the disease was caused by eating salt.
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