Gerson Therapy

abigail48

I would say we don't know what causes anything for sure, only suspects

jojo68

First of all...I would never trust anything from a source like Wiki!!!!

I don't know about salt causing cancer...I know table salt is bad, I use celtic sea salt.

new_direction

Momine writes: 'I must, however, take issue with this idea, often expressed and not just by you, that it all depends what someone "believes." I don't think it is a very good idea to base something like cancer treatment on "belief."'

I don't know I just felt a Little offended when I read this. Maybe because I don't want to say anything for sure unless it's absolutely proven. Maybe because someone here is looking for support and it's more like a battlefield where you need to have studies to prove everything.

About the salt - Im trying to find the place where I read it. It has something to do with the ratio of Na in proportion to Mg and I think 2 other elements.

About belief. As Ive mentioned before the placebo effect is not just something someone has made up. It is based on a persons belief.

At the moment I'm also reading "The anticancer mind" by D Servant-schreiber. He discusses among other Things the feeling of helplessness. For example there is a study of healthy people who were asked questions to evaluate their feeling of helplessness. 6 years later those who felt most helpless (it's impossible to reach goals, the future is hopeless) had a 3 times higher mortality rate and developed 160 % more fatal cancers.



Another quote from the book: 'Professor Herberman also demonstrated that women with breast cancer who are better able to face the disease psychologically had many more active NK cells than those who sank into depression and helplessness... Everything suggests that the White blood cells of the immune system... ...are particularly sensitive to feelings of hellessness.'

Maybe I know the answer. I think I felt offended because it wasn't constructive and only took away hope. To me hope is the strongest force we have to live with this disease and overcome it.

Momine

I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. It frankly did not occur to me that it could be taken as a controversial statement.

I agree that it is important to feel confident about your treatment, but I still don't think that is quite the same as basing your treatment on belief.

I also fully realize that many things are still unknowns and sometimes we have to go on gut, i.e. essentially belief. But I think it is useful to be fully aware of when we are going on evidence and when we are going on gut and not mix up the two or consider them equal.

abigail48

re "proven". apparently up to 60% of double blind (ie proven) studies are bogus. the peer review is I'll validate your study if you do the same for mine, is one problem of many. conflicts of interest: studies formed by the makers of the drug they're pushing, etc

Momine

Abigail, did you get that statistic from Gary?

abigail48

yes. & it may not be accurate, may be a smaller figure, possibly larger, I no longer listen that carefully, often reading here or somewhere else while listening & just perk up when I hear something grabbing my attention

MmeJ

abigail48, have you been diagnosed with breast cancer?

If not, why are you here?

Momine

MmeJ, Abigail is self-diagnosed and has had her condition for many decades as far as I remember.

abigail48

the cyst since 1964 when i used the first tier & mexican, (no script needed) "birth control" pills. the cyst rose, first noticed from a photo in 2010. (became hard & itched at the same time or a bit before. it began fumigating.during the hot weather this july I started dressing it daily at that time. 3 sterile pads, overlapped, taped, manuka honey & sometimes colloidal silver on the dressing. it began showing red in march of 2011, one spot then 2 then it began covering the whole cyst. in I guess, july I noticed it had grown out of the confines of the cyst. toward the duct. the dressing, advised by a member here, controls the bacteria & therefore I guess the fumigating.

abigail48

I'm here because the undiagnosed & natural only forum was locked in 2011 or 2012

Momine

Again, Abigail, if you have survived close to 50 years with an untreated breast cancer, all the more power to you.

abigail48

I'd guess from 1964 to 2011 it was merely a cyst

abigail48

today gary was talking about how good olives (& olive oil) are for you

abigail48

yesterday gary was talking about saponines, how good they are for you, I remember some years ago learning that ginseng? not sure. is rich in them

pupmom

Abigail, can you tell us from what medical school you graduated?

abigail48

today I took notes. He doesn't usually talk al the first half hr about breast cancer but today he did for most of it. best if you check him outyourself: progressive radio network listen live tune in.....m-f noon edst. my notes: first about pinenuts, have stuff that helps with eyes. resveritrol, dark grapes, knotweed etc, inactivates the brac 1 gene which is activated, he says, by persistent environmental pollution. curcumin, turmeric, reduces all deaths from tripple negative diagnosis. 19 separate studies about resveritrol preventing breast cancer. flax seed oil reduction of breast cancer deaths by 32% then a bit about oregon grape root, & wounds. helps heal them better than any other plant substance.

abigail48

& gary null said also on the broadcast today that blackberries have the most anthro(?) cyanins (?) of any berry. a good thing

MmeJ

I'd like to know where Gary Null got his M.D., as well.

Anonymous

There's a great Gerson Group on Facebook. Some great success stories and info from people who have been successfully doing Gerson for years. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Gersonsupport/

It's so impressive to see the depth of knowledge on that group.

Sorry to repeat info if the FB group has been mentioned here before.

abigail48

gary has a doctorate from an online school where he's said many times he knew far more that his teachers about nutrition. he read & reports on the professional medical journals. he councils terminal cancer patients & others who have been called terminal by their doctors. he runs marathons. he's nearly 63. from a west virginia town. his father was a judge & a tavern keeper. he was a vegetarian from a very early age, & would free farm animals destined for the table. He has a grown daughter & a granddaughter from her. he days on his fb page that he's divorced

pupmom

Lol, WHY am I not surprised?

abigail48

he was born in january 1945, so he's 68.

suzieq60

Abigail - I'm sure if your were to meet Gary, he would recommend that you actually go and have some tests to determine if you actually have breast cancer. Then you could target your nutrition to deal with it after surgery.

abigail48

he said ye.sterday that he recommends surgery to take out the main mass. but for me with my teeny irish bones & at age 77, & with my antipathy to modern medicine I think not. (he went on about angelina jolie taking out perfect;y undiseased breasts. .........the bulliers have thought it good to report the defender of the bullied, though the bullied have not reported the bullied because they know you can't stop speech without stopping some life/

abigail48

gary also said that the science behind the brac 1&2 is "grosely incomplete". I did meet gary quite some years ago at what he calls "sleep-aways". this one was at brown's resort hotel, nice rooms, delicious vegetarian meals, (some fish dishes), lectures, swimming dancing. It was a difficult time for gary & especially shelley null as the kitchen hadn't been stocked as promised & gary & shelley had to buy organics for I'd guess 75 guest, & she;;ey had to cook the meals for everyone. at the lecture that night, (on cheleation), I saw gary doing a lymph help to shelley's arms. they both must have been exhausted. I have the date somewhere, I did a report on the sleepaway, but no telling where it is. 90ies sometime probably

Momine

Abigail, since Gary is not a scientist or a doctor or even a nurse, I will take his opinions about BRCA, Jolie's surgery etc with about a handful of salt.

abigail48

he is a scientist. (also a poet, sculptor & inventor : automotive things), he worked for the institute of applied biology for many years in his 30ies I guess. got the rodents after the others were through with them, fed them good food, half of them, gave half of them somethings to do, played music for them. let them walk on him. the half that he helped in this way lived twice as long as the others. other experiments in the same vein. his phd is in nutrition .

abigail48

his thesis was on "caffienism"

Momine

He has an AA degree in business and a BA in science from a somewhat questionable institution. His Ph.D is from a mickey mouse school. So, no, he is not a legitimate scientist.