I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Chickadee - I don't know what a "short bus" signifies, but I just want to say ( probably for EVERYONE who posts on this thread) I ( we) are so, so, so sorry for anything which offended you or your beloved boy, during these times of political frustration, I know we sometimes step over lines, that goes for 51/50 too, I am so out of it, I don't know what either means. PLEASE give yourself a hug, from all of us, some who haven't yet read your post, but will join me in soothing ANY hurt feelings, as soon as they read it.


    More hugs....and good thoughts to E, and maybe Boston. And many sorts for rr and whoever else would like some. They seem to be plentiful here in the hills of western MA, think some of it must be my still giving THANKS for finishing 5 years on Arimidex. Tho terrible allergy times ( leaf mold, and anything it seems which moves in the breeze or breathes this time of year!) but being without aches, pains, and having more energy - whew...wish this for everybody ( when they finish their time on the A Team)

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited October 2013


    I just did something I swore I wouldn't do anymore. I looked at the comments on an AOL article about next year's projected COLA increase for Social Security, etc. Did you know that it is all Obama's fault that it is only projected to be around 1.5%? That's right folks ... it has nothing to do with a formula that has been used for years (since 1975 I believe) and that the President has nothing to do with. These folks don't even know that such a formula exists. One brave soul is trying to explain ... but it all goes whoosh right over the dingbat's heads and he just gets called a 'communist'.


    And of course we wouldn't have these problems except that Congress doesn't pay into Social Security so they don't care about it. Except that they have been paying into Social Security since 1984 ... whoosh again. Just how long does it take to get facts out about this stuff? You would think over 30 years that info might have trickled out!


    It scares me how ignorant and easily mislead a portion of the American public is! We can argue facts and agree to disagree on solutions ... but these idiots are going to doom us all.


    Don't know that many people who have been to the health exchanges for a look-see but daughter mentioned a friend who works for a very small company and found her exchange coverage would cost her much less and be better than the current employer coverage she has. She's hoping her employer will drop coverage so she can use the exchange. But it may be that the employer will be able to use the Small Business part of the health exchange to get a better deal than they have in the past also. Daughter's employer is also a Small Business and has been crunching numbers trying to get the best deal he can for all of them. Lucky for her he's a good guy who wants to do right by his people ... whatever that turns out to be. At least there is information out there and choices. Time will tell.


    Sending healing vibes and magic fairy dust to all human and furry friends that need them.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    Jumping down here before I read anything. I owe you an apology Chickadee. I have never seen or known anything about short busses and was confused at the end of the line with the 51/50 numbers when are new to me as well. So became a bit un-sure about the whole post. It is not my wish to upset anyone.


    Fortunately since I was gone this afternoon the mods were kind enough to delete the post for me.


    Again, I am sorry for any upset to you. It was not meant and I am happy that someone could delete it in my absence.


    Jackie

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited October 2013


    IL, I got your PM. Thank you for that. For those who don't know, it's the special needs kids who ride the short busses, hence using it to imply that someone isn't mentally normal. Cops use 51/50 as a derogatory term for those they encounter who are or seem unstable.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    Thank goodness...no bias here.( eyebrows severely arched ) http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/13/campus-reform-fox-shutdown/

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013


    We make a mistake, we apologize, but it's still Obama's fault! Damn!

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited October 2013


    Happy Thanksgiving, Blue and our other Canadian ladies!


    My apologies, Chicky. I know I've used "short bus" before but will endeavor not to in the future. Thank you for pointing it out.


    Did anyone watch the Tigers/Red Sox game last night? What a surprise ending!


    E

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013


    Thank you E.....turkey's in the oven (since 6 a.m., it's a big'un)!



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    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • kad2kar
    kad2kar Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2013


    Happy Thanksgiving to the "Strange" Canadians here. Have a wonderful day!!!---kad2kar

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Happy Thanksgiving to all, esp those leading the singing of "Oh, Canada."


    Jackie - thanks for apologies - ALL ACCEPTED - there are only well meaning women posting on this thread, which makes it VERY safe to make a mistake, say I'm Sorry, and give thanks for knowing we are all learning to be as gentle with ourselves as we are with other people!


    E - didn't watch the game, but CHEERED when I read the paper this morning. If it weren't so chilly, I'd wear my Jimmy Fund tee shirt. Guess I'll get a Jimmy Fund sweatshirt to wear now. ;-) The Green Monster is just around the corner from Dana Farber, we can almost hear the cheers.


    Blue, gorgeous flowers, did I tell you I'm using a printout of the "steps with purple flowers on both sides" to do a watercolour painting. LOVE it. Don't have to look anywhere else for inspiration, just come here ;-) THANK YOU.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    With RL in Cancun, here's interesting reading from the Washington Post, Rubin is a CONSERVATIVE columnist...makes it even funnier.


    20 signs you’ve drunk the Kool-Aid



    By Jennifer Rubin,

    Updated: October 11 at 12:00 pm

    There has been, to put it mildly, some mass self-delusion going on in right-wing circles. Here’s how to tell if you are suffering from the ill-effects of the echo chamber:



    1. You think Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) has it nailed when he tells the Value Voters Summit that the Dems are “feeling the heat” in the shutdown fight.



    2. You think the problem is Ken Cuccinelli isn’t conservative enough.



    3. You think if only the shutdown went on longer the GOP would win this fight.



    4. You think poll numbers showing the plummeting favorability of Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Cruz’s 2-to-1 negatives are “skewed.”



    5. You think that if the GOP doesn’t win the shutdown fight it will be because of the mainstream media.



    6. You think Americans want to shut down the government to get rid of Obamacare.



    7. You think the problem is that Cruz didn’t talk long enough or that the media didn’t cover his 21-hour speech fairly.



    8. You think the right-wingers who lost Senate races in 2010 and 2012 should run for the Senate in 2014 because the GOP “let them down.”



    9. You think it is better to have 30 “true conservatives” than 51 Republicans in the U.S. Senate.



    10. You think Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) had it wrong when he backed immigration reform and right when he went to bat for the shutdown strategy.



    11. You think the biggest threat to the GOP is politicians like Gov. Chris Christie and Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.). You think it’s about time someone primaried Sens. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) or John Cornyn (R-Tex.) from the right.



    12. You think the GOP should have stood pat on the shutdown.



    13. You think Hispanics will never vote for Republicans so there is no use in pursuing immigration reform. You think it is fine for the GOP to win elections relying almost entirely on white voters.



    14. You think Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) is a sell out because he thinks repealing Obamacare can only happen by electing a GOP Senate majority and capturing the White House.



    15. You think Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) have betrayed the conservative movement.



    16. You think the GOP needs candidates like Ted Cruz to run in for Senate places like Michigan, Virginia and Colorado.



    17. You think the GOP would have done better with Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum or Ron Paul as its 2012 presidential nominee. You think Santorum blew it when he stopped talking about contraception.



    18. You think Republicans should run hard at the national level on a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.



    19. You think President Ronald Reagan would decry compromise and support primarying the Senate minority leader.



    20. You think right-wing talk radio hosts are a good barometer of American public opinion.



    If you answered “yes” to more than half of these, it’s time to rethink your political assumptions.

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013


    If you answered "yes" to more than half??? I'd say if you answered yes to more than one of those it's time to do some serious re-thinking..... (and I feel I'm being generous with more than one!!)


    Edited to add.... HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! to all our lovely Canadians.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013


    Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian sisters! Dang, now I want turkey and there is no way I'm going to be able to roast a turkey today...oh well.


    Sunny, thanks for the continued sorts. I'm pretty good now, just have my seatbelt fastened and hanging on to see what happens. Re Jennifer Rubin, wow seems like she's waking up. I hope she wakes others up too.


    Thinking of RL in Cancun...enjoy.


    Good morning all. It's sunny and 55 here, supposed to get up to 62 - a simply beautiful day.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited October 2013


    happy thanksgiving. I couldn't stand it and roasted a small turkey yesterday. Just had to have a turkey/mayonnaise sandwich. Yum. Pumpkin pie next on list.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2013


    Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadians! Wow, what a summary, Sunny. I definitely flunk the rightwing purity test!

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited October 2013


    Happy Thanksgiving to all of Canada!!!


    I do have to say - I've been on the federal website for healthcare and it is damn frustrating. I'm 61, when my husband loses his job in February, he'll be eligible for Medicare, but I won't - and we have a 21 year old. Because our crappy governor, Christie, opted not to set up a state exchange, we're in the federal system - which is annoying. I finally submitted an application, and we'll see what happens. I was a big fan of the single payer idea. STill, what we've got is better than what we had before - or what the Republicans propose - which is nothing.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2013


    Hey - all of those digits crossed WORKED. Thank you friends. xxo My Boo does NOT have cancer or atleast it has gone to the "bottom of the list." I got the news last night and I hope that Vet had ear plugs in. More work to be done. She is still not eating more than a tsp of food a day, and she's still in the 24 hour hospital, but that Vet seemed so sure of cancer from what she saw on the US she hadn't done the pancreatitis tests, which should be done this morning. I go everyday and she eats from my hand and this is the only eating she is doing, which makes me wonder if it isn't her surroundings, more than her illness, at this point. I can't tell you....


    Yorkie - I hope your Vet will give you good news. The pain is unbearable for our little furbabies. I felt like I was reliving my own last cancer returning scare.


    Since I have to do taxes yet, go many miles to see my Ms Boo each day and have art classes all day Tuesday, if I even make them, I won't do much more than post any updates and maybe that will just be about my disgust with Republicans (hopefully).


    Sheesh...Michelle Bachman is on CSPAN making it sound like she charged Mount Suribachi in the battle of Iwo Jima opening up the WWII Vet Memorial. I hope Americans can finally see the crazy.


    Love you guys and thank all that PM'd etc. I feel like such a drama queen at this point, but was truly made to feel that cancer was the only dx that made sense since Friday afternoon.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Whew, Kam, what a relief. Looking forward with you to her coming HOME, and eating, lots.


    Yorkie - I laughed reading Jennifer's column - so, so true too.


    Dang, I want turkey now too..

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2013


    Don't know if this has been posted here before, but it is a very interesting survey about Social Attitude.


    http://slackhalla.org/~demise/test/socialattitude.php


    Kam, good news about Boo! Chloe is at the vet right now. The technician did not think the extended bone in her neck was a problem. What worries me is the amount of weight she has recently lost. All her life she has been around 10 lbs. The last couple of months she's dropped 2 lbs. Anyway, we'll be meeting with the vet and will know more later.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    Nearly fell off my chair at #17. Had to wait a minute to read the rest. I had just gotten over chortling at #1 by then. Rubins is a good indicator. Does seem like some media saw themselves earlier and maybe have chosen to not go so far down with the ship....or maybe I'm just nuts as always.


    Now I'm starting to think about turkey too. I think we should have all ran for the border and Blue's house. Nothing like ( we always eat a noon meal ) the evening re-play of Thanksgiving noon where the bread comes out and sandwiches made.....maybe a very small amt. of parts of the meal.....I especially like a side of cranberry salad with my sandwich.


    I do work usually ( in some fashion ) on all holidays. Have animals needing care.....that is 365 at all times. No holidays, birthdays, or vacations. If I weren't ok with it....I wouldn't do it......I just like taking some left overs ( meat tid-bits ) with me the next day.


    Back to my in-box to see what is there.


    kad2kar "Strange".......great.


    Jackie


    Forgot to say....Blue, I love that butterfly. Would make a great avatar.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013


    Kam - fantastic news about your baby. Hopefully they will soon find the problem so that fixes can begin.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013


    I have a 25 pounder in the oven.....all are welcome!

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited October 2013


    Kam - WHOO_HOO. What great news! Hope Ms. Boo gets better soon and goes home. I had a similar experience. Six years ago, Lizzie, one of my two cats, started having trouble jumping then she started walking in circles. We paid for an MRI of her head which showed a huge mass. the vet was sure it was cancer and her prospects were a few weeks at best. But, just to rule everything out, he did a blood test for a fungus called cryptococcus, (spelled wrong) which can rarely cause masses in the brain. Sure enough, that's what she had. She was treated with an antifungal, and she's still here with me.


    Yorkie, good luck with Chloe at the vet.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013


    Yorkie - took your test....


    These scores indicate that you are a moderate progressive; this is the political profile one might associate with a university professor. It appears that you are skeptical towards religion, and have a pragmatic attitude towards humanity in general.



    Your attitudes towards economics appear capitalist, and combined with your social attitudes this creates the picture of someone who would generally be described as libertarian.



    To round out the picture you appear to be, political preference aside, a devoted egalitarian with several strong opinions.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    This piece is NYT Hendrik Hertzberg and is I think a good summary of our present fiasco. Hoping ( since I couldn't get a link that it is not too horrible c & ped.




    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

    Amendment XIV, Section 4.



    By the time that long-obscure, lately apposite sentence became part of the Constitution, on July 9, 1868, the insurrection that occasioned it had been thoroughly, and bloodily, suppressed. Throughout the Civil War and afterward, Republicans in Congress had enacted some of the most forward-looking legislation in American history: a national currency, the Homestead Act, a transcontinental railroad, support for higher education, the definitive abolition of slavery—all thanks to the extended absence of delegations from the self-styled Confederate states. Now that era was about to end.


    The party of Lincoln, grand but not yet old, feared the mischief that Southern senators and representatives might get up to when their states were readmitted to the Union. The Republicans’ foremost worry was that Congress might somehow be induced to cut funds for Union pensioners or pay off lenders who had gambled on a Confederate victory. But the language of the Fourteenth Amendment’s framers went further. Benjamin Wade, the president pro tem of the Senate, explained that the national debt would be safer once it was “withdrawn from the power of Congress to repudiate it.” He and his colleagues didn’t say just that the debt could not be put off, or left unpaid. They said that it couldn’t even be questioned.


    The new insurrection is different from the old one, and not only because this time it’s the Republicans who are the insurrectionaries. The old insurrectionaries wanted to destroy the government; the new ones wish merely to decimate it. The old ones’ weapons of choice were muskets and bayonets; the new ones confine themselves to mendacity, demagoguery, and obstructionism. The old ones were exclusively white and Southern; the new ones, while overwhelmingly white, are more widely distributed. The old ones no longer wished to be citizens of the United States; the new ones, some of them, profess to wonder if the President is a citizen at all.


    Still, there are similarities. Prominent among them is a belief that a federal law need not be repealed in order to be nullified. Equally noteworthy is an apparent inability to be reconciled to the results of an election. Last November, after a campaign that turned largely on the issue of health care, Barack Obama was reëlected with a popular majority of five million. In Senate races, Democrats drew ten million more votes than Republicans. In the House of Representatives, Republicans, whom Democrats outpolled by a million and a half, retained their legislative majority only by dint of the vagaries of districting and redistricting. The Confederates had a better case: in 1860, Abraham Lincoln got barely thirty-nine per cent of the vote, a smaller share than any Presidential winner since.


    In the current imbroglio, Republicans threatened that, unless their demands were met, they would (a) shut down most of the government and, more alarmingly, (b) deny the Treasury the ability to borrow the money it needs to pay expenses that Congress has already authorized. The first threat was carried out on October 1st. As for the second, John Boehner, the Speaker of the House, suddenly offered last Thursday to postpone the deadline for carrying it out—but with conditions, and for a mere five weeks. The new proposed deadline is November 22nd, the fiftieth anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy.


    The ransom demands kept changing. At first, it was the Affordable Care Act: in exchange for a few weeks of fiscal peace, repeal it; defund it; delay it; dismember it. Then the price ballooned, with some two dozen additional conservative fever dreams: plutocrat-friendly tax cuts, Medicare means-testing, a green light for environmental depredations, financial regulatory rollback, even the end of Internet neutrality. Then it was immediate “entitlement reform” (meaning cuts in social insurance) and “tax reform” (meaning lower rates for corporations and the rich). “We have to get something out of this,” one bewildered backbencher finally bleated, “and I don’t know what that even is.”


    When Lincoln faced secession if he continued to resist slavery’s expansion, he remarked, “A highwayman holds a pistol to my ear and mutters through his teeth, ‘Stand and deliver, or I shall kill you—and then you will be a murderer!’ ” Obama updated Lincoln, minus the lethal imagery: “If you’re in negotiations around buying somebody’s house, you don’t get to say, ‘Well, let’s talk about the price I’m going to pay, and if you don’t give the price then I’m going to burn down your house.’ ” Neither quip quite captures the perversity of the extortionists. They propose to shoot themselves as well as their hostage, and the house they would burn down is their house, too.


    At the weekend, as public esteem for the Republican Party plunged to record lows, the elephants stampeded for the exits, raising clouds of dust. At this rate, the government shutdown may itself have been shut down by the time these words are read, with or without a fig leaf to cover the pachyderms’ privates. But the fanatical denialism of a large faction of the Republican Party is such that a default or the serious possibility of one may still be in the not too distant future. What then?


    The President is constitutionally sworn to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” but if he enforces the debt ceiling, established by one law, he cannot meet obligations that other laws command him to fulfill. Nor can he submit to blackmail, lest the Constitution be informally amended to provide that any law, duly passed by the House and the Senate and signed by the President (and, if challenged, upheld by the Supreme Court), may be effectively voided by the action of one faction of one party in one half of the national legislature. And he absolutely cannot permit default, the consequences of which would be global and catastrophic.


    It is widely said that the Obama Administration has “ruled out” recourse to the fourth section of the Fourteenth Amendment. Not so. In 2011, when the Republicans test-drove their debt-ceiling gambit, Timothy Geithner, then the Secretary of the Treasury, read the section to a breakfast gathering of reporters. A squall ensued; the President calmed it, saying that “lawyers” had advised him that the Fourteenth was not a “winning argument.” Similarly cagey equivocations have been forthcoming this time around. Obama has been careful to keep the option on life support. At his news conference last Tuesday, he noted that there had been some discussion about his powers, under the amendment, to “go ahead and ignore the debt-ceiling law.” He continued:




    Setting aside the legal analysis, what matters is that if you start having a situation in which there’s legal controversy about the U.S. Treasury’s authority to issue debt, the damage will have been done even if that were constitutional, because people wouldn’t be sure. . . . What matters is: what do the people who are buying Treasury bills think?



    What also matters, of course, is: compared with what? In the end, Obama could have no honorable choice but to invoke the Fourteenth. There is little doubt that he would prevail. The Supreme Court would be unlikely even to consider the matter, since no one would have standing to bring a successful suit: when the government pays its bills, who is damaged? The House Republicans might draw up articles of impeachment, adopt them, and send them to the Senate, where the probability of a conviction would be zero. This would not be a replay of Bill Clinton and the intern. President Clinton was not remotely guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, but he was guilty of something, and that something was sordid. Yet impeachment was what put Clinton on a glide path to his present pinnacle as a wildly popular statesman. President Obama would be guilty only of saving the nation’s economy, and the world’s. It would be all he could do to head off a post-Bloombergian boomlet to somehow get around another amendment, the Twenty-second, and usher him to a third term.


    Fingers crossed.....always looks just fine before submission.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    Another piece for which I could not get a shortcut to put in a link. Hope my luck does not run out. Good piece --very entertaining section at the end re: a Pres. Romney. Hmmmm, really.

    Ted Cruz and the Politics of Hara-kari


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    Just when you thought that the G.O.P. might finally be wising up, and looking for a way to stop damaging itself in the eyes of voters, up pops Ted Cruz, the Texas firebrand who helped to get this whole shutdown/debt-ceiling thing started. Appearing before an audience of conservative activists in Washington on Friday, Cruz urged his colleagues to hang tough in the budget battle, and declared, “The Democrats are feeling the heat.”


    Cruz may be right. It’s quite possible that Democrats in the White House and on Capitol Hill have spent so much time cheering and high-fiving each other in the past few days that they might need a glass of water to cool down. Just hours before Cruz graced the boards at the Omni Shoreham Hotel, which was hosting something called the Values Voter Summit, NBC News and the Wall Street Journal released a poll showing that the approval rating of congressional Republicans is at twenty-four per cent, its lowest since the pollsters started asking the question. The same poll showed that a majority of voters blamed the G.O.P., rather than President Obama, for the shutdown. Indeed, the President’s approval rating has ticked up a bit since last month—from forty-five per cent to forty-seven per cent.


    Now, you may think that twenty-four per cent is a worryingly low approval rating for a Party whose Presidential candidate picked up forty-seven per cent of the vote last year, in an election widely regarded as a rout. Who could go lower than that? Well, Ted Cruz, for one. According the NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey, the Texan’s personal approval rating is fourteen per cent, which puts him three points below John Boehner. About the only good news in the poll for Cruz was that almost half of the respondents (forty-four per cent) either didn’t recognize his name or weren’t sure what they thought about him. Evidently, his twenty-one-hour monologue on the Senate floor last month didn’t register with many people.


    For serious politicians like Boehner and Paul Ryan, who want to preserve the G.O.P.’s rapidly diminishing chances of winning the Senate in next year’s midterms (and the White House in 2016), the message of the polling data couldn’t be clearer: whatever attendees at events like the Values Voter Summit and contributors to conservative Web sites such as Red State may think, it’s time for the G.O.P. to stop committing hari-kari. If reversing course means offering to end the shutdown without securing any meaningful changes to Obamacare, in addition to dropping the immediate threat to force a debt default, most of the G.O.P. leaders are now willing to do it in return for a token gesture from President Obama. And if the president publicly humiliates them, as he did on Friday, by rejecting their initial surrender terms and signaling a determination to torment them for a few more days, well, they’ll grimace and accept that, too.


    But Cruz and his supporters won’t. They subsist in a conservative echo chamber where everybody outside “the movement”—from members of the media to K Street lobbyists to opinion pollsters to Boehner, Mitch McConnell, and other members of the Republican leadership—is regarded with suspicion. Later on Friday, when Cruz got back to Capitol Hill after attending the budget talks at the White House, a reporter from NBC News stopped him in the hallway, brought up the NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey, and asked him if he believed that he had damaged his party. Cruz replied:



    I’ll note that that poll was very heavily weighted with an awful lot of Democrats, with an awful lot of Obama supporters, and 20 percent of the people polled were government workers… If you seek out liberal Obama supporters and ask them their views, they’re going to tell you they’re liberal Obama supporters. That’s not reflective of where this country is.


    Ah, those dastardly left-wing pollsters who get their checks from radical agitators like Rupert Murdoch and the Comcast Corporation. They’re always trying to put down the Grand Old Party. Why, just last year, they suggested that President Romney was going to lose the election to former President Obama. You can’t believe any of their numbers. Fortunately, there are a few brave patriots, such as Cruz, who are willing to tell it like it is, and put their faith in ordinary Americans—just as long as they’re not those public-sector workers, liberal professors, and other Obama lovers who corrupt the polling data.


    “None of us knows what is going to happen on this Obamacare fight right now,” Cruz said in his speech at the Omni Shoreham. “In my view, the House of Representatives needs to keep doing what it’s doing, which is standing strong. That is the model for every other fight. We need no more Washington solutions. We need to go back to the American people.”


    To which the response from the White House is equally effusive, if not quite as audible: you go, Ted! And keep it up for as long as you can.


    Jackie ----- my luck ran out.


  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013


    Kam -- So happy to hear that Ms Boo is NED re cancer. If she's eating out of your hand, I suggest that it IS her surroundings. Cats don't eat when they are nervous or fearful.


    It appears that we Canucks have you guys to thank for our own Thanksgiving celebrations. The United Empire Loyalists brought your tradition back to Upper Canada at the time of the Revolution. Since our growing season is -- in most parts -- about a month shorter than yours, the decision was made to celebrate Turkey Day on the second Monday in October, making for a nice, long, legitimate weekend! (Still can't figure out why yours is on a Thursday -- oh well!!).


    BTW, the Thanksgiving tradition in my DH's family is to gather at the family cottage(s) and, before the main meal, to sing our own version of the hymn "We gather together to ask the Lord's blessing". Some 37 verses (one for each year), and each verse is a summary of important stuff that happened in the family. And yes, all the verses are sung, with tears intermingled when a verse notes the passing of a family member, and smiles when noting the birth of one.

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