I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    Not sure this is going to work, so if I make a mess....please excuse:


    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/07/house-gop-plot-obamacare-shutdown/


    Good article, but thinking a lot of you have seen it....if not, you certainly know there has been a plan for some time.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    Hoping this isn't a mess. I'm trying a copy and paste....though could put the link in too.

    Despite what House Speaker John Boehner says, these 22 Republicans would vote for a clean spending bill


    Here’s the list, updated from a similar list published by Huffinington Post, on October 6th. You can click on the name of any representative to see what he said and when he said it. (There are no women on the list. Surprise!)

    1. Rep. Pat Meehan (R-Pa)
    2. Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.)
    3. Rep. Peter King (R- N.Y.)
    4. Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa)
    5. Rep. Jon Runyan (R-N.J.)
    6. Rep. Rob Wittman (R-Va.)
    7. Rep. Tim Griffin (R-Ark.)
    8. Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.)
    9. Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.)
    10. Rep. Rodney Davis (R-Ill.)
    11. Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.)
    12. Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Ca)
    13. Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.)
    14. Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.)
    15. Rep. Randy Forbes (R-Va.)
    16. Rep. Michael Grimm (R-N.Y.)
    17. Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.)
    18. Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Minn.)
    19. Rep. Frank LoBiondo (R-N.J.)
    20. Rep. Leonard Lance (R-N.J.)
    21. Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho)
    22. Rep. Bill Young (R-Fla.)


    By my count, that makes 22 house Republicans who have publicly stated that they would vote for a clean CR, which would end the government shut down. Now admittedly these people are all Republicans. That alone makes it at least somewhat likely that a few on this list are saying one thing, while intending to do just the opposite. On the other hand, when you’ve publicly promised to vote a certain way, voters will hold you accountable. Especially under the current circumstances.







    Either way someone’s lying. It could be one or more of the above lawmakers, most of whom say that they would vote for a clean spending bill, if only Boehner would give them a chance (likely). On the other hand, it could be House Speaker John Boehner, who says he doesn’t have enough votes to pass a clean resolution (also likely). It has to be at least one or the other. Unfortunately, it could be both.


    As the shut down lingers on, moving now into its second week, the damage that it is doing to the economy continues to add up. We don’t have enough money to feed the poor, but we can afford to lose $300 million a day, just so Congress can prove to the Tea Party nut jobs that they’re ‘doing something to stop Obamacare.’ (They’re actually doing nothing to stop Obamacare.) If these lawmakers really support a clean resolution then they need to be putting the pressure on House Speaker John Boehner to bring one to the floor, before another day passes and another $300 million is piddled away.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2013


    Jackie - my arse Congressman isn't on that list though his aide claimed to me he is not a Tea Partier (his predecessor definitely was). Can he have it both ways? He knows he'd be TP'd right of this district, though, but I believe he represents the TP 100% regardless.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Blue - thanks for the link - GB really needs a white jacket with wrap-around-arms. So difficult to imagine there are people who listen to him, can't imagine who advertises on his program. Never heard him, never plan to. Giving thanks for my local NPR station as I type.


    Jackie - the YES count so far is 219, only need 217 to pass a clean CR. Probably more than 219, cuz think there are more names on the list you posted than I had this afternoon.


    All the media is LEADING WITH President Obama telling Boehner to just have a vote. Almost feel sorry for blubbering one, with the orange skin, the color of Tang - anybody remember Tang? Hey, maybe that's why he can't really be Speaker - he's just had too much Tang. Teahadist version of Kool-Aid. Tho Kool-Aid has kooler kolours. :-)

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013


    Well, for heaven's sake, St. Ronnie forced a universal coverage mandate for emergency care. Myohmy, SOCIALISM!


    Courtesy of the Washington Post:



    What’s that you say? Hospitals are mandated to give away free services?



    Yes. In response to some earlier bad behavior from hospitals called “patient dumping,” a mandate for unfunded medical care was created and signed into law by President Ronald Reagan in 1986. It said, “Hospitals provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay.”



    That’s right, Reagan created a universal coverage mandate, forced the private sector to pay for it, thereby creating the world’s most expensive, least efficient health-care program. Hospitals hated it, the poor and indigent took advantage of it, and prices were jacked up in response to it. Eventually, the costs spread to everyone else.



    Given that history, it is no surprise that hospitals were quietly pleased with Obamacare. After the Supreme Court ruled on the legality of the new rules in June 2012, hospital stocks rallied. It should come as no surprise: They get to remove a huge cost that they had no ability to control. They also get a massive number of new paying customers. And they now have some control over who their patients will be.

  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited October 2013


    Sunny, you're on a roll. Love the "kool kolours of Kool-Aid."

  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
    edited October 2013


    in case Glenn Beck and any of his flaming a''hole followers are unaware. We have laws against hate speech in Canada. He wouldn't be comfortable here.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013


    According to some, we don't have the right to drive, read, knit, drink or eat. Nope ladies and gentlemen, we need a post graduate degree too figure that out! hahahahhahaahh! I can't believe the shit I read sometimes! Some want to play the word game....only they should know I can have them for breakfast when it comes to word play!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013


    Kay, hate speech is a freedom (maybe even a right) for some, just like putting up a poster of an elected representative and shooting it down with an automatic weapon is a freedom of expression. hahahaha! All I can say is, some people need to get educated (maybe even post graduate) on the difference!


    ETA - And while we're at it......


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znS3gXjGCiU


    HAHAHA!


  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013


    Now for some awwwwwwwww moments!



  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    If I put this in before...oops, but I do think it is not a bad repeat. BLUE - with you all the way.


    Jackie


    See you all after work.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013


    The baby kitty and the mother retriever are just too, too sweet!


    BTW, I tried to post something here, and only my comment about it showed. What gives?

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited October 2013


    kay - you raise a good point. It was being told about our speech laws that made Ann Coulter cranky and decline to speak at all in Ottawa a few years ago. There might be some entertainment value to Glenn Beck coming here, being subjected to universal health care, gay marriage, full day school for four year olds in the public system, etc and then see what happens when he says the things he says. He might have to run back to the US and maybe even figure out that his "freedoms" are not being removed there at all. A life changing experience maybe?!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Oh, Blue, that picture is like getting a warm furry HUG. thank you


    well, a lot of media is leading with Boehner has the votes to pass a clean CR. Now what? Truly hard to accept he's more concerned with keeping his Speakership than the well being of the rest of the USA. Guess if I had Eric Cantor running behind me with a drawn sharp Bowie knife, I'd be running scared too...


    Gorgeous sunny crisp Fall day here - rains yesterday brought down a lot of leaves, but still good colour - hope Leaf Peepers are having fun. Still, of course, think of a Lion who loves cool weather...esp. during all these fashion shows...so hard to accept this as reality....

  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
    edited October 2013


    lassie. D'ya think? I don't think he or his ilk are capable of discerning differences, or at least the fact that we are different. (And damn proud of it.) I think that GB et al really think that all others who look sort of like him, you know, middle aged white male gas bag, think as they do.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013


    The Shutdown, in Ten Infuriating Sentences:

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited October 2013
    Time for a Quiz.

    http://www.people-press.org/typology/quiz/

    Of course, I came out "Solid Liberal"
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013


    Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I can't seem to get a VERY INTERESTING document to post. Go to Mother Jones and check out "The Shutdown in Ten Infuriating Sentences". Yes, it WILL infuriate you, but it will also provide answers if you get into a discussion with your GOP neighbour (!).


    ETA: Sunny, you'll find your answer about Boehner's "reluctance" in the above article.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013

    The Shutdown in 10 Infuriating Sentences


    At its core, the dispute over the budget and the debt ceiling isn't complicated at all. But it is full of misconceptions and urban myths. Here are the 10 facts worth remembering past all the obfuscation:


    1. Democrats have already agreed to fund the government at Republican levels.


    2. Despite what you might have heard, there have only been two serious government shutdowns in recent history, and both were the result of Republican ultimatums.


    3. Democrats in the Senate have been begging the House to negotiate over the budget for the past six months, but Republicans have refused.


    4. That's because Republicans wanted to wait until they had either a government shutdown or a debt ceiling breach as leverage, something they've been very clear about all along.




    5. Republicans keep talking about compromise, but they've offered nothing in return for agreeing to their demands—except to keep the government intact if they get their way.


    6. The public is very strongly opposed to using a government shutdown to stop Obamacare.


    7. Contrary to Republican claims, the deficit is not increasing—it peaked in 2009 and has been dropping ever since, declining by $200 billion last year with another $450 billion drop projected this year.


    8. A long government shutdown is likely to seriously hurt economic growth, with a monthlong shutdown projected to slash GDP in the fourth quarter by 1 percentage point and reduce employment by over a million jobs.


    9. No, Democrats have not used debt ceiling hostage taking in the past to force presidents to accept their political agenda.


    10. This whole dispute is about the Republican Party fighting to make sure the working poor don't have access to affordable health care.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited October 2013


    Hi Everyone!


    Sunnyflowers ... It was really cold this morning. About 55 degrees out. I finally had to break down and put the heat on for an hour to take the chill off. I even had to wear a flannel shirt when walking the dogs today.


    I am so NOT ready for fall and winter.


    I leave this Saturday for San Diego ... I am so excited to see my grandsons. Amazingly, their weather is about the same as it is here. Was hoping for hot Santa Ana winds and warmer temps out there.


    Blue ... The little pitbull puppy is so cute! How have you been feeling lately? Is the Botox helping with the pain?


    hugs,


    Bren

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited October 2013
    Bren,

    I was raised in San Diego and I love the Santa Ana winds. The smog and dust get blown out to sea and the air becomes crystal clear. Fond memories.
  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited October 2013


    Notself ... We're practically sisters! Did you go to high school in San Diego? I went to Monte Vista. I was raised in the Mt. Helix area and then moved to Pacific Beach.


    hugs,


    Bren

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