I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    A bit of a comic.


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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013


    Jackie, your link to the piece on Tim Miller gives me hope. The following link should go to just his letter not the whole piece. The whole piece is worthwhile, I'm just trying this to see how it works here.


    http://www.slideshare.net/dylanhock/tim-miller-1000-rays-of-flight-press-release-26891068

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013


    Jackie, don't you know? I'm the only hacker on this thread!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    RR....the link worked well. I had to zoom up the size, but I had to do that when it was in the article too. It was refreshing to read that piece. It does create a little inspiration. All it takes are a couple to start getting ideas and feelings and ideals like that out in the REAL physical world.


    So many others have said a resounding no, but the dark stain lingered. It is the Republicans who have to change and I hope this just keeps going. Many of them have allowed their hands to be tied and it time to set themselves and the Tehadists free. If the latter group is so wonderful they can stand on their own.


    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013


    Couldn't happen to a nicer guy - not.


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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2013


    Jackie - in reference to your graphic above:


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    I think part of the answer is in this article written by Joan Walsh for Salon.com




    The real story of the shutdown: 50 years of GOP race-baiting

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Good morning. Gardengumby - thank you for standing up for the image of loons. I've been watching the PBS series on Aerial Views, of Bird Migrations over several continents, so amazing. Has anyone else seen it. If not, watch out for it on your PBS station.


    From today's Washington Post: Editorial Page


    The myth about job-killing Obamacare



    By Editorial Board

    Published: October 5

    FOR YEARS, Republicans have labeled President Obama’s Affordable Care Act a “job killer.” But as the essential elements of the law begin to phase in, conservative critics have become more specific, latching onto alarming stories about certain businesses cutting employees’ hours or declining to hire workers — all, apparently, because of the health-care law’s dictates.



    As usual with Obamacare, it’s not that there isn’t something to be concerned about. But Republicans have blown the law’s potential problems so far out of proportion that their attacks sound like a “Saturday Night Live” parody.



    “Americans all over this country are suffering because of Obamacare,”Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) said last month. “It is the single biggest job killer in America.”



    Well, here’s what the law requires: All firms that employ 50 or more full-time workers — or the equivalent in part-time workers — must provide health-care coverage to all of their full-time employees. If they do not, starting in 2015 the government will assess a fine based on the number of employees the businesses have. The fear is that companies on the cusp of hiring their 50th full-time employee might hold back. Other businesses might try to cut their employees’ hours.



    The potential for some reduction in the availability of low-wage work is real. But mainstream economists aren’t seeing anything like the catastrophe Republicans have foretold, and they don’t anticipate a calamity, either.



    That is because only 3 percent of small businesses — those with fewer than 500 employees — have more than 50 workers, so 97 percent of small employers are exempt from the law’s mandates. Meanwhile, virtually all large companies already offer health insurance to their employees. Aside from things such as reporting requirements, Obamacare’s mandates will directly obligate only about 1 percent of American businesses to do anything different.



    In its oft-touted economic analysis of Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) calculated in 2010 that Americans will put in one-half of 1 percent less time at work with the law in place, a finding that Republicans have repeatedly used to attack the law. Yet, the CBO explained, its figure primarily reflects an anticipated change in how much people will want to work after they get more health-care options, not a change in employers’ demand for their labor because of the law. Economists argue that unrelated factors — particularly consumer demand for the products and services companies offer — still will dominate in hiring decisions.



    There are other concerns. Some observers argue that uncertainty about how much health-care premiums will rise under the law could discourage hiring, at least until the cost picture is clearer to businesses. But there will be countervailing effects. People won’t be as locked into their jobs, since they won’t have to stick with certain employers to ensure they have health-care coverage. That will make it easier for people to move into jobs they’re better at, and it could promote entrepreneurship. With more reliable care, workers might better manage the symptoms of one-time or chronic illnesses, which could cut down on the number of sick days they take. And the health-care industry probably will hire more people.



    The net effect is hard to predict exactly. But it won’t add up to anything close to Mr. Cruz’s employment apocalypse.


    Jackie- I LOVE LOVE LOVE your posts...'specially the AB one...perfect!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    And another expected effect from the availability of insurance from the ACA is that people who are currently working ONLY for the health insurance offered by their employer because they aren't eligible for Medicare yet and they need health insurance will be able to stop working (freeing up jobs for unemployed people!) because they can get health insurance on the exchanges.


    Duh!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    to add to RL's wise words - many who are staying at jobs they don't like because of health insurance for themselves and/or their families, will be free to be entrepreneurial and do something else. How many know people who are AFRAID to try anything new because health insurance ties them to their present work. Jeez - this should be a "no brainer" for real Conservatives, who are waiting to vote to pass a clean CR.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    I keep saying over and over that the regressives and seditionists CANNOT prevail because it would destroy the Constitution and the republic. "The Economist" (notably NOT a liberal publication!) feels the same way:



    The Land Of The Free Is Starting To Look Ungovernable





    THE ECONOMIST Oct. 4, 2013





      Sept. 30th approached, everybody on Capitol Hill blamed everybody else for the imminent shutdown of America’s government. To a wondering world, the recriminations missed the point. When you are brawling on the edge of a cliff, the big question is not "Who is right?", but "What the hell are you doing on the edge of a cliff?"





    The shutdown itself is tiresome but bearable. The security services will remain on duty, pensioners will still receive their cheques and the astronauts on the International Space Station will still be able to breathe. Some 800,000 non-essential staff at federal agencies (out of 2.8m) are being sent home, while another 1.3m are being asked to toil on without pay (see "The federal government: Closed until further notice"). Non-urgent tasks will be shelved until a deal is reached and the money starts to flow again. If that happens quickly, the economic damage will be modest: perhaps 0.1-0.2% off the fourth-quarter growth rate for every week the government is closed. The trouble is, the shutdown is a symptom of a deeper problem: the federal lawmaking process is so polarised that it has become paralysed. And if the two parties cannot bridge their differences by around Oct. 17th, disaster looms.



    Battles over spending are nothing unusual--indeed, Congress has not passed a proper budget on time since 1997. But this battle represents something new. House Republicans are blocking the budget not because they object to its contents, but because they object to something else entirely: Barack Obama’s health-care reform, a big part of which started to operate this week (see "America’s health-care upheaval: Will it get better?"). Their original demand was to strip all funding from Obamacare. In other words, they wanted Democrats to agree to kill their own president’s biggest achievement. That was never going to happen. As the deadline for a budget deal approached, Republicans scaled back their demands. Instead of defunding Obamacare, they said that its mandate for individuals to buy health insurance (or pay a fine) should be delayed for a year.


    The bane of budgetary brinkmanship



    That may sound more reasonable, but it is not so, for two reasons. First, delaying the mandate could wreck the whole reform. Obamacare sits on two pillars. Everyone is obliged to have insurance, and insurance firms are barred from charging people more because they are already ill. If only the second rule applies, the sick will rush to buy insurance but the healthy will wait until they fall ill before doing so. Insurers will have to raise premiums or go bust, making coverage unaffordable without vast subsidies. Obamacare will enter a death spiral and possibly collapse. For some Republicans, that is the goal.



    The second reason is that Republicans are setting a precedent which, if followed, would make America ungovernable. Voters have seen fit to give their party control of one arm of government--the House of Representatives--while handing the Democrats the White House and the Senate. If a party with such a modest electoral mandate threatens to shut down government unless the other side repeals a law it does not like, apparently settled legislation will always be vulnerable to repeal by the minority. Washington will be permanently paralysed and America condemned to chronic uncertainty.



    It gets worse. Later this month the federal government will reach its legal borrowing limit, known as the "debt ceiling". Unless Congress raises that ceiling, Uncle Sam will soon be unable to pay all his bills. In other words, unless the two parties can work together, America will have to choose which of its obligations not to honour. It could slash spending so deeply that it causes a recession. Or it could default on its debts, which would be even worse, and unimaginably more harmful than a mere government shutdown. No one in Washington is that crazy, surely?


    Step back from the edge



    America enjoys the "exorbitant privilege" of printing the world’s reserve currency. Its government debt is considered a safe haven, which is why Uncle Sam can borrow so much, so cheaply. America will not lose these advantages overnight. But anything that undermines its creditworthiness--as the farce in Washington surely does--risks causing untold damage in the future. It is not just that America would have to pay more to borrow. The repercussions of an American default would be both global and unpredictable.



    It would threaten financial markets. Since American Treasuries are very liquid and safe, they are widely used as collateral. They are more than 30% of the collateral that financial institutions such as investment banks use to borrow in the $2 trillion "tri-party repo" market, a source of overnight funding. A default could trigger demands by lenders for more or different collateral; that might cause a financial heart attack like the one prompted by the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008. In short, even if Obamacare were as bad as tea-party types say it is (see "Lexington: Cruz missile"), it would still be reckless to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip to repeal it, as some Republicans suggest.



    What can be done? In the short term, House Republicans need to get their priorities straight. They should pass a clean budget resolution without trying to refight old battles over Obamacare. They should also vote to raise the debt ceiling (or better yet, abolish it). If Obamacare really does turn out to be a flop and Republicans win the presidency and the Senate in 2016, they can repeal it through the normal legislative process.



    In the longer term, America needs to tackle polarisation. The problem is especially acute in the House, because many states let politicians draw their own electoral maps. Unsurprisingly, they tend to draw ultra-safe districts for themselves. This means that a typical congressman has no fear of losing a general election but is terrified of a primary challenge. Many therefore pander to extremists on their own side rather than forging sensible centrist deals with the other. This is no way to run a country. Electoral reforms, such as letting independent commissions draw district boundaries, would not suddenly make America governable, but they would help. It is time for less cliff-hanging, and more common sense.








    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-land-of-the-free-is-starting-to-look-ungovernable-2013-10#ixzz2gxXbXYeV

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    RL - just what Sec'y Lew was saying on MTP this am.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    OK, wildly frustrated because DH is on PC and I am on iPad and therefore unable to fix wonky code at the beginning of my post that I tried to delete (twitter sharing crap). Trying below with just text from article:


    Which is not working. Crap. Go to the link and read the first graf, too. I can't get it work and I have to stop before I chuck my iPad out the window.

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited October 2013


    No chucking iPads Libby!!


    Election financing and district gerrymandering are two pillars which, if reformed, would eliminate the motivation for the crazies to reach for even crazier IMHO

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2013


    This shutdown was expected by the GOP based on their "secret" plan to get rid of Obamacare.


    Darn, I'm having no luck with the link option in the toolbar!


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?hp&_r=0



    A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning






  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013


    And another very interesting, but also depressing, article from New York Mag (which, I hope, I can figure out how to include in this post!)


    http://nymag.com/news/politics/nationalinterest/government-shutdown-2013-10/

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2013


    So adorable blue! Reminds me of my nemesis Bob!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    Never mind. Posting memes from FB on iPad not working. :-(

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013


    That's right. Tried to post something hilarious from FB, and no go.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013


    Some people are sick in the head....really sick.....evil sick. They are glad that Obama is looking like he hasn't slept or eaten in a month.


    Maybe he's looking ragged because he's worried about his Country and fellow Americans. Because the IDJUTS are not playing fair??????????? I thought Christianity was all about sharing. Maybe they should listen to the new Pope! Lousy hypocrites!


    No problem though because what goes around, comes around!

  • kad2kar
    kad2kar Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2013


    Hi All---I have a question about car insurance vs health insurance; is there really ANY difference? Laws and penalties are put in place regarding auto insurance and having it. SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? Not asked as sarcasm.-----kad2kar

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