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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013

    OH!  Did I mention how much I really LOVE our new Pope!

    "You cannot serve both God and money"!

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  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited October 2013

    Il Papa is a lovely man

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  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited October 2013

    Suzie - I don't know all of the facts yet (and I doubt that anyone does), but it appears that this woman attempted to ram security barricades at both the White House and the Capitol Building, ramming two police cars and injuring a person in the process.  Not all deadly weapons are guns.  

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/republican-jesus.jpg

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013

    I sort of suspected this:

    NEW YORK (AP) -- The mother of a Connecticut woman who was shot to death by police after trying to breach a barrier at the White House said her daughter was suffering from post-partum depression.

    Authorities said the woman set off a high-speed car chase that put the Capitol on lockdown Thursday and caused a fresh panic in a city where a gunman killed 12 people two weeks ago.

    Two law enforcement officials identified the driver as 34-year-old Miriam Carey, of Stamford, Conn. She was traveling with a 1-year-old girl who avoided serious injury and was taken into protective custody. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation.

    Carey's mother, Idella Carey, told ABC News Thursday night that her daughter began suffering from post-partum depression after giving birth to her daughter, Erica, last August.

    "A few months later, she got sick," she said. "She was depressed. ... She was hospitalized."

    Idella Carey said her daughter had "no history of violence" and she didn't know why she was in Washington on Thursday. She said she thought Carey was taking Erica to a doctor's appointment in Connecticut.

    ABC News reported that Miriam Carey was a dental hygienist. Her boss, Dr. Steven Oken, described Carey as a person who was "always happy."

    "I would never in a million years believe that she would do something like this," he said. "It's the furthest thing from anything I would think she would do, especially with her child in the car. I am floored that it would be her."

     

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2013

    I think it may have actually been post-partum psychosis. Among some other delusions she thought that Obama was stalking her. 

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  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited October 2013

    So sad.  :-(  I'm sorry she didn't get the help she needed, and sorry for the two people she hurt and for her daughter.

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2013

    It is really tragic. I hope that little baby has good family support. 

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

    It is terribly sad.  I, too, hope the baby has good family support.  The poor woman must have been so scared and confused when they were chasing her.

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  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited October 2013

    I think the secret service and capitol police did the best that could be done under the circumstances.  It's a very sad situation, but one would think that the events, unfolding in real time, were very much "life and death".  Someone else mentioned this - they probably suspected a carbomb when she first attempted to crash the gate.

    Unfortunate all the way around. 

    What's disugusting, however, is that some Teahadists are trying to spin this politically.  I guess with the Boehner shut-down and all the infighting going on in their own party, they have to really grasp at straws to find something to change the subject!

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2013

    It's the old fling poo at the wall and hope something will stick tactic. UGH.

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

    I feel badly for the Cap police and the Secret Service, too.  I'm sure they are regretful that she was mentally ill, but she did try to hit people and crash their cars with her car.  And they didn't know, as Donna says, whether she had a car bomb or not.  And keep in mind, she was on both sides of the Capitol -- the "shots fired" call went out when they shot at her car the first time and she was some distance away when she crashed her car and they shot her. The officers where she ended up didn't know if she had exchanged gunfire or not.  How long do you wait to get shot before you shoot someone who may have a weapon?

    I agree it is disgusting that the regressives are trying to spin this.  That moron from Arkansas saying that the "violent" rhetoric from the President, Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid (MAJORITY MAJORITY MAJORITY folks) was responsible.  Disgusting.

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

    It is sad that a mother lost her life due to mental post-par-tum derangement, but there are instances where one cannot really pick and choose.  I'm sure the police who had to handle things that way don't feel so great about things either, but there were many people around who had to be protected. 

    No surprise what-so-ever   ( maximum expectations ) that the rt. regressive people would pick up the ball and make this into something it is not.  That is what they have always done best.  Obliterate reality and go for the throat.  Their is such predictability there.  Sigh !!!!  

    Jackie 

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013

    And I say we have more Fox News than we need, too!!!

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

    We might get some decent results this way:

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

    Always

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

    Photo: Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC 2) says she needs her $174,000 a yr ($3,300 a week) paycheck. Her husband is a physician, The average salary in her district is about $42,000 a year. Is this hypocrisy, or greed, or just plain don't give a :poop: ? {Suzy} Read about it here: http://www.indyweek.com/citizen/archives/2011/01/25/ellmers-screw-up-on-health-care-just-walk-away-renee Living Blue in North Carolina #LivingBlueNC

    Really, Republican voters - how DOES it feel to know you have been played?

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013

    Visa, Apple and Google manage to support both

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/10/shutdown-debt-ceiling-explained

    Mother Jones

    The Shutdown in 10 Infuriating Sentences






    —By Kevin Drum

    | Fri Oct. 4, 2013 3:00 AM PDT


     

    At its core, the dispute over the budget and the debt ceiling isn't complicated at all. But it is full of misconceptions and urban myths. Here are the 10 facts worth remembering past all the obfuscation:


    1. Democrats have already agreed to fund the government at Republican levels.
    2. Despite what you might have heard, there have only been two serious government shutdowns in recent history, and both were the result of Republican ultimatums.
    3. Democrats in the Senate have been begging the House to negotiate over the budget for the past six months, but Republicans have refused.
    4. That's because Republicans wanted to wait until they had either a government shutdown or a debt ceiling breach as leverage, something they've been very clear about all along.
    5. Republicans keep talking about compromise, but they've offered nothing in return for agreeing to their demands—except to keep the government intact if they get their way.
    6. The public is very strongly opposed to using a government shutdown to stop Obamacare.
    7. Contrary to Republican claims, the deficit is not increasing—it peaked in 2009 and has been dropping ever since, declining by $200 billion last year with another $450 billion drop projected this year.
    8. A long government shutdown is likely to seriously hurt economic growth, with a monthlong shutdown projected to slash GDP in the fourth quarter by 1 percentage point and reduce employment by over a million jobs.
    9. No, Democrats have not used debt ceiling hostage taking in the past to force presidents to accept their political agenda.
    10. This whole dispute is about the Republican Party fighting to make sure the working poor don't have access to affordable health care. 




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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013

    In all the caterwauling I've heard by the tea partiers about the ACA, I have not once heard WHY it's so terrible.  When I've tried to pin down ANYone (who is against it) about what exactly is bad about it, they cannot answer.  Yet, at the same time if I ask them - any of them - about specific provisions in the law, the like what they hear.

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2013

    GG, it's communism, don't you know! That despite the fact that it was originally developed by a right wing think tank. Where's that "crazy" emoticon when I need it?

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

    RL....as I read so many of these things I ( for the zillionth time ) wonder what it would take for those so affected to give up the delusions they are so attached too.  To give up believing the lies, and to see what credibility can actually do for you.  Even knowing the "draw"....... the amount of insulation it would take for most of the people I know to behave that way would be impossible. 

    I just re-watched the Park Ranger ( working for free ) say that she was proud that she was not turning the Veterans away from the WW11 memorial and thought ......does this guy not know or care what he looks like and sounds like as he is chastising her.  She kept her dignity, he dropped farther into lunacy.  Good luck to you sir.  Karma is all its cracked up to be.

    Jackie

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