I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013

    The "leadership" of both houses are meeting with POTUS 5:30 today.

    Many media sources are reporting out that the House has enuf votes for a CLEAR CR.  If the 200 Democrats hang together, which we can expect they will, there are 17 Republicans willing to vote out a CLEAR CF, which the Senate would pass in a second, POTUS would sign.

    Just have to get Boehner to allow the vote to take place.

    Any body in a betting mood???

    RL - loved the "levitity" -

    Alexandria - meant to ask, how's your Dad?  Hope he's better.

    WABBIT - also forgot to send you a hug, I cried after I read your reported conversation with the Soc. Sec woman.  That has always been my experience with my health insurance, Medicare etc.  Heartwarming, the way the world COULD and should work.  Meanwhile, still hugs to you...

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

    This is just too flipping funny not to post! (Thanks @[107699875915002:274:The Pragmatic Progressive Page])

    We should be so lucky, even with Jug-ears next in line!  (No, I have NOT forgiven him for Diana and never will, but that is another rant!)

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2013

    One good thing about the shutdown........

    "Ku Klux Klan Rally At National Park Getting Canceled Actually Makes Us Root For The Shutdown

    Shutdown-1, KKK-0."

    "A Confederate White Knights rally to protest the Obama administration and immigration policies was held at the Antietam National Battlefield on Sept. 7 near Sharpsburg, Maryland. Alex Wong / Getty Images"

    "A KKK rally at the historic Gettysburg National Military Park was cancelled due to the federal government shutdown, reported NBC10 Philadelphia.

    The Confederate White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan based in Maryland had been granted a permit for a Saturday rally at the historic site of the American Civil War which included a First Amendment demonstration by the white supremacist group. However, park officials rescinded all permits for special events because of the shutdown.

    Officials of the Gettysburg Park said they had approved the permit for the KKK because the land was “available for citizens to exercise their right to freedom of speech, even if the views expressed are contrary to those of most Americans.”

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/klu-klux-klan-rally-at-national-park-getting-canceled-actual

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2013

    The opposition forces are working hard to spread lies and stop healthy young people from registering for insurance. They think if they can contain ACA enthusiasm to the old and sick they can drive enough young people OUT of the program and drive rates up. The Koch Brothers are of course behind this "campaign."

    Here is the article (from September):

    http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-battle-moves-to-college-campuses-200027191.html

    and if you read that article, you'll notice the update they added at the end of the article:

    "Update: Generation Opportunity posted a Craigslist ad on Thursday seeking actors to dress up like Creepy Uncle Sam at an event in Chantilly, Virginia in September. The gig pays $275 for the weekend:




      

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    And here is the inimitable Stephen Colbert talking about this:

    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/429446/october-01-2013/adorable-care-act---generation-opportunity

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited October 2013

    Apologies if this was already posted.  Jimmy Kimmel asks people if they prefer Obamacare OR the Affordable Care Act.  File this under, really??????

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

    The New York Times gives Boehner the beating he so richly deserves.  He may be too stupid to recognize it and too evil to care, but here it is:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/opinion/john-boehners-shutdown.html?_r=0

    NYTimes Editorial





    John Boehner’s Shutdown

    By  THE EDITORIAL BOARD

    Published: October 1, 2013

    By Tuesday morning, the leadership failure of Speaker John Boehner was complete. In encouraging the impossible quest of House Republicans to dismantle health care reform, he pushed the country into a government shutdown that will now begin to take a grievous economic toll.

    At any point, Mr. Boehner could have stopped it. Had he put on the floor a simple temporary spending resolution to keep the government open, without the outrageous demands to delay or defund the health reform law, it could easily have passed the House with a strong majority — including with sizable support from Republican members, many of whom are aware of how badly this collapse will damage their party.       

    But Mr. Boehner refused. He stood in the well of the House and repeated the tired falsehood that the Affordable Care Act was killing jobs. He came up with a series of increasingly ridiculous demands: defund the health law, delay it for a year, stop its requirement that employers pay for contraception, block the medical device tax, delay the individual mandate for a year, strip Congressional employees of their health subsidies. All were instantly rejected by the Senate. “They’ve lost their minds,” Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader, said of the House Republicans. “They keep trying to do the same thing over and over again.”       

    Finally, at the last minute, when there was still time to end the charade with a straightforward spending bill, Mr. Boehner made the most absurd demand of all: an immediate conference committee with the Senate. Suddenly, with less than an hour left, he wanted to set up formal negotiations?       

    For six months, the Senate has been demanding a conference with the House on the 2014 budget — talks that might have prevented the impasse in the first place. But the House leadership has adamantly refused, knowing it would not succeed in getting all the cuts to taxes and spending that it demands. For Mr. Boehner to call for a conference near midnight was the height of hypocrisy.       

    The consequences of Mr. Boehner’s failure will be immediate: 800,000 government employees thrown out of work, over a million more working without pay, offices that provide important services closed, and programs on which poor people depend — like the Women, Infants and Children nutrition system — cut off. The longer Republicans refuse to approve a rational spending measure, the more federal agencies will be affected and the greater the damage done to an economy still in recovery.       

    Having let down the public, Republicans will now, inevitably, scramble to save their reputation. They are desperate to make it appear as if President Obama and the Democrats are the ones being intransigent, hoping voters will think that everyone is at fault and simply blame “Washington.” Mr. Boehner even mocked the president on Monday for refusing to negotiate over health reform, as if he actually expected Mr. Obama to join in wrecking a law that will provide health coverage to millions of uninsured Americans under threat of blackmail.       

    On Tuesday, Republicans came up with another self-serving offer, proposing to open a few government departments whose closures are likely to produce negative news coverage, such as Veterans Affairs and the national parks. Democrats quickly made it clear that only a full reopening of government would suffice, and three of the bills died in the House. More are expected, however.       

    Earlier in his presidency, Mr. Obama made the catastrophic mistake — in the face of just this sort of extortion — to believe in Mr. Boehner’s willingness to be reasonable. This time, however, the cynical games of the Republicans are not going to work.       

    The Republicans’ reckless obsession with destroying health reform and with wounding the president has been on full display. And, as the public’s anger grows over this entirely unnecessary crisis, it should be aimed at a party and a speaker that are incapable of governing.






  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2013

    Chris Van Hollen is doing some interesting thing on the floor right now.  Since I'm just joining in from a hike, and don't totally see the bigger picture, I think he's caught them - the Republicans, in some rules issues.  Anyone watching this?

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

    I haven't had C-Span on today, Kam, but here is a nifty article from Wonkblog (Pearlstein used to be the WaPo's economics columnist before he retired.  Boy does he loathe the U.S. Chamber of Commerce!):

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/02/democrats-can-use-this-one-weird-trick-to-end-the-government-shutdown/

    Democrats can use this one weird trick to end the government shutdown

    By Steve Pearlstein, Published: October 2

    So here’s Plan B, which would temporarily solve both the funding and the looming debt ceiling crises without requiring Boehner or the Republican caucus to do anything other than abide by the rules of the House:

    House Democratic leaders should immediately file a bill with two simple provisions:  one, providing for short-term funding for the government until Jan. 1, 2015, and a second lifting the debt sufficient to comfortably get the government past New Year’s (with the shutdown, the two issues are now effectively joined at the hip). The deadline should provide for plenty of time to negotiate a grand bargain while keeping pressure on everyone to negotiate.



    Then the Democrats should circulate what is called a discharge petition for a special rule to bring it to the floor for an immediate vote.  All it would take is about 20 responsible Republicans to sign the discharge petition, along with nearly the entire Democratic caucus, to create a majority that could force the vote and pass the bill. There are said to be at least that many Republicans willing to support such a bill, and as the shutdown proceeds there will likely be more.


    Under House rules, once the discharge petition, with the requisite 218 signatures, is filed with the clerk, it immediately goes on what’s called the “Discharge Calendar.” And once the newly filed “clean” funding-cum-debt ceiling bill has sat in committee for thirty days, petition discharging the committee from further consideration can be called up by any member of the House on the second and fourth Monday of any month. As a “privileged motion,” it would interrupt almost all other business pending before the House.

    This is a well-established way for a majority House members to get around a recalcitrant speaker or majority caucus — it’s been used successfully dozens of times in the modern era, including the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law.  The question isn’t whether it would work.  The real question is why House Democrats didn’t think to set the process in motion last week, when the shutdown was already a real possibility.

    Due to the calendar, a discharge petition, at this point, won't avoid a shutdown, or even a problem with the debt ceiling, but it will provide a backstop and possibly put the pressure on the Republican leadership to allow an up-or-down vote by the entire House.

    Correction: This post originally stated that a bill needs to sit in committee for seven days before a discharge petition can be used. It's actually 30 days. We regret the error. 

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013

    I love this guy!  Can't make it smaller.

  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited October 2013

    that was hysterical, Blue!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013

    I love his last statement!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2013

    RL - with the Discharge Petition, when could the clean CR be brought forth?  i.e. When did the clock start ticking on the CR the Senate passed?

    Per this from your article:

     The real question is why House Democrats didn’t think to set the process in motion last week, when the shutdown was already a real possibility.


    I'm sure this has been said somewhere on our thread, but yes, supposedly, a clean CR would pass right now, in the House, with all Democrats and the 20 or so "supposedly" disgusted Republicans (mostly, if not all, from NE states).  Ok, if there are 20 of these and atleast 20 wackos, that looks like a draw to me, but it isn't.  Why is that?  And this is the part I"m sure someone stated above - Donna?  I can only come to the conclusion it is not the internal forces within the House that are keeping a clean CR from coming up for a vote, but external forces.  What forces would side with the 20 wackos and not with the 20 reasonable GOPers?  There's only one answer to that question - the Koch brothers.  They're all afraid of being primaried out and with the unlimited spending in campaigns now, the Koch brothers rule.  They hate the ACA.  

    Those 20 "good guys" are publicly stating one thing, but thus far have voted with the majority of the majority on every silly ammendement put up since the shutdown.  They and Boehner, cannot stand up to the Koch brothers or they will be strongarmed out by same, yet they are afraid of losing their their general elections, so must appear to be reasonable.  I doubt they would vote a clean CR and they definitely fear it coming to a vote when they'd have to put their money where their mouths were.  Eloise Slaughter alluded to this in a Rules Committee hearing.

    I"m almost convinced, these are the guys, the Koch bros., pulling the strings.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited October 2013

    Blue .. the last comment on the page you posted had me giggling.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2013

    Obama 'exasperated' over government shutdown, warns we're 'in trouble'



     



    Source: NBC News

    President Barack Obama said Wednesday that he is “exasperated” by the government shutdown and warned Wall Street that the country is "in trouble." 

    "During the course of my presidency I have bent over backwards to work with the Republican Party and have purposely kept my rhetoric down," he said in an exclusive interview with CNBC three hours before he was set to meet with congressional leaders from both parties at the White House. 

    "I think I'm pretty well known for being a calm guy...sometimes people think I'm too calm. But am I exasperated? Absolutely I'm exasperated. Because this is entirely unnecessary." 

    Asked about Wall Street’s relatively calm reaction to the crisis in the nation’s capital, Obama said it was out of step with the reality of the situation. 

    “I think this time’s different,” he said of the current shutdown and impasse. 

    He noted he had just met with the Financial Services Forum, a group of high-profile business leaders and heads of major banks and warned them that while partisan disagreement is normal, they should be worried in this case. 

    "When you have a situation in which a faction is willing to potentially default on U.S. government obligations, then we are in trouble," he said. 

    "And if they’re willing to do it now, they’ll be willing to do it later.” 
  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited October 2013

    I was interviewed for an extremely important job along with another candidate.  This was a job where the person who held it could really affect the functioning of the company.  Another candidate and I went through a primary interview together.  We had completely different agendas for the company but we were both given a chance for a final interveiw.

    At the final interview, I was selected by a majority of board members to fill this vital position.  The other candidate's vision was rejected not only once but twice by the majority of board members.  When the other candidate was told he did not get the job he contacted me.  He told me if I didn't manage the company the way HE thought it should be managed, he would burn the company down. Perhaps I should call the cops and report this case of extortion and domestic terrorism.

    Just kidding folks, but this the equivalent of what the Republicans are doing to this country.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013

    I miss our Athena!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2013

    PERFECT, notself!  The ROTW (Rest of the World) that shares democratic values with the U.S. cannot believe that a very small group (some 10% of elected members) can commit extortion and actually get away with it.  Unbelievable!

    May your President stay strong!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

    Notself, that is EXACTLY the analogy. And they are absolutely willing to destroy the country. They are already using the Constitution as toilet paper. They really are an insurrectionist group bent on the overthrow of the duly elected government and the destruction of the United States. I don't think that is overstating the case.



  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited October 2013

    If Obama were white, they'd all be in jail now. Or it would have never come to this. Disgusting.

  • GatorGal
    GatorGal Member Posts: 2,550
    edited October 2013

    Love that our president refuses to negotiate ... He's compromised enough with the republicans over the ACA. Glad he is standing strong!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013

    He shouldn't negotiate. There is nothing TO negotiate. THE PPACA IS.THE.LAW. If he negotiates over this, what is next? Eliminating the minimum wage from the Fair Labor Standards Act? Eliminating equal pay for equal work? Reinstating segregation?



  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013

    notself - PERFECTION!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

    Wow.....a day away and so much catching up.  Articles are all spot on.  Blue....that piece you put in ( the last guy ) should be tape-recorded and every one in Congress have to listen to it.....over and over. 

    I have thought that almost all of the credit for this fiasco ( since it has been stated in one way or other -- over and over the the last five yrs. ) will for the most part end up resting with the GOP.  Of course, I hope Boehner loses his position, but mainly because he is one of the least deserving people I know.  Frankly....any of the gutless wonders un-able to stand up and do what is right deserve to "lose' their job/public trust. 

    Many rules need changing.  I don't know if that can happen, but if anyone can be said to be giving it a little steam....the GOP is first in line right now.

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
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    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

    Don't we wish:

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013

    No words needed here:

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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