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  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Hi friends,
    Wow...are we going through a toe phase? I fractured the tip of my second left toe a couple weeks ago. Some how I lost my balance and the tip ended up bending all the way down. It has gone through the various shades of the color wheel and now is still a little red. Ouch!!!

    Okay, I know it has taken me a while but here is a current picture taken by Steven this afternoon. The hair is a little dark because I just colored it. The lashes are back and the eyebrows are almost back. I don't know why they have taken so long to grow back. What do all think?
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    And yes, that is Ms. Maggie. She has become so attached to me - does not leave my side. Last week after the port removal, she was very gentle with me and just wanted to be on my lap. Isn't she sweet? I really think God wanted her in our life because everyone in the family has accepted her; even the folks who do not like dogs.

    Love and hugs,
    Odalys
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Margerie - I love the beach; haven't been there since diagnosis mainly because of the sun. We are enjoying our pool instead. Steven is a little scare of the ocean this year because there has been several shark attacks in FL. The last one was this week, a 9 y/o girl was playing in the shore and a shark took a bite of her leg. She is okay but received over 100 stitches. I keep thinking that as soon as the port wound heals we will be headed to Miami Beach. We will see.... Worst case scenario, I will take him and Maggie to a state park so all three of us can swim.

    Do your kids enjoy the ocean? Have they learned to swim yet?
    Take care,
    Odalys
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2006

    Oh how funny (and painful)....I was chasing after Daniel a few weeks ago, and slammed my toe into his dresser...it was totally huge and purple. I could sort of bend it, so I figured it was bruised, but I can't bend it very well at all now, so I think I'd like to request membership to the Toe Club!

    I'm getting ready to go to my simulation now, but I wanted to stop by and say hi to my sisters.
    Thank you all for the insider info on stretching out. I'm still not sure why I was told to wait, because I started asking if I could stretch by day 5. Anyway, I have been careful to stretch lots, and it is improving!
    Daniel is yelling, "MAMA!!!!!!!!!!!" right now...Greg is giving him a bath with his new Crayola bath tints, and it seems important to the little guy that I see it! Gotta go....
    Love and prayers, Debbie
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Amazing! So far membership in the Toe Club is at 4 (Margerie, Anna, Debbie, and I) anyone else joining this weird club? Thank God for open toe shoes!

    Love and hugs,
    Odalys
  • AnnaM
    AnnaM Member Posts: 1,387
    edited July 2006
    Yep, I sure do like those open toe shoes!

    Oh how I love those bath crayons! My daughter used to play and play in the bathtub, so much so that sometimes I had to change the water so she wouldn't be sitting in an ice cube! I think I will go out and get me some of those crayons. Why should they be limited to tiny people? I haven't taken a bath in a while, showers are so easy. But nothing beats the relaxation of a nice soak.

    Good luck on your simulation, Debbie.

    Here I go for Herceptin 26. I hope I get that wonderful new nurse who knows how to take my BP for a change. Has anyone else been through 7 oncology nurses? Why do they rotate so frequently? Probably because they don't get the pay they deserve.

    I agree, there's nothing wrong with hope.

    Hugs,

    Anna
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Anna - good luck with treatment today. Yes, I had a different nurse every time I went in for chemo. What a pain that was!!!!!!!! I hated having to explain to her about the depth of the port and asking for a 1 1/2" needle every time. Ay, my friend...hang in there, soon it will be over for you too. Yes, Hope is a wonderful emotion.

    Debbie - hope your simulation is not painful and goes without glitch.

    Have a good day ladies,
    Odalys
  • Margerie
    Margerie Member Posts: 526
    edited July 2006
    I am very lucky- my onc has 3 very good nurses. I don't have a port and one nurse was/is particularly good at getting a good iv set up. I asked at my third visit, back in December, if she could be my "first-string" nurse (they would call her in when they would miss) and she has been my nurse ever since.

    Odalys- yikes a girl-munching shark would scare the beans out of me! We have one swimmer, one sort-of swimmwer and one life-jacket girl. We have a pool and we work on one kid learning to swim each summer. So next summer - they should all be little fish! We have a nice beach 20 minutes away, but can't compete with Florida. Our water is COLD and our sand is brown. I grew up on the coast of Mississippi and miss that powder white sand and warm water.

    Anna- are you getting weekly herceptin? I am on the 3 week schedule and doing well.

    So interesting to read about the differing opinions of our oncologists regarding 1 week vs 3 week herceptin, ooph or no ooph, AI or Tamox, etc.
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Margerie - We've had several munching sharks and even women eating alligators this year! There has never been so many attacks before and researchers are trying to investigate what is going on. I try not to let the bad news discourage me from the white sand and warm water. It's like experiencing a piece of heaven for a day.
    Odalys
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2006
    Odalys, I have to tell you I had a dream last night that I went to the town I used to live in when I lived in Wyoming. I went to some house where there was a "Resale Shop" of sorts in the driveway, like a mega garage sale (I'm a garage sale addict). Suddenly, YOU walked over to me and introduced yourself! You were the owner of the shop! Hee hee....

    Anna-How is the Herceptin thing going? I'd go crazy with a different nurse each time. I just feel such a sense of comfort when I get the same person every time, because they know that I tend to laugh hysterically when I get nervous, that my veins collapse when I get nervous, that I liked to snack on Cheddar and Sour Cream potato chips during chemo (LOVED the salty goodness). I like Margerie's idea about the "first-string" nurse.

    Simulation was a little weird. It wasn't bad, but there was a point when I thought I'd prefer to chew off my arms to be more comfortable. Also, when they did that wire thingy around my "bump formerly known as a boob" it really hurt my scar area! I really felt a twinge of pain. It was freezing in there, too. This is odd, coming from someone who sweats while in air conditioning.

    Hey, where the heck are our others sisters?!?!?!?!?!? NancyK, Lat56, Mary Lou, and of course, Kaye! I miss you all, and want to know how you are doing.

    I'd better go and take some Ambien. I really didn't sleep well last night. Hey, that is a question for you all-how long did it take for you guys to sleep in a bed (in comfort) after surgery? I've been in the recliner all this time.
    Love and prayers, Debbie
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2006

    OH YAY! I hit the 400 mark on posts!

  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Debbie - I love it. Did I atleast give you a discount? Too funny.
    Sorry to hear the simulation was a bit painful. I hate how they keep us in the same position for so long and the room is always so cold. Glad to see this part of the journey is also over for you. The actual treatments don't take very long and are not so uncomfortable. I'm happy that treatments are moving forward, soon you will be done too.

    BTW- What Ambien do you take? I used to take regular 10 mg but I stopped taking it while on rads because rads made me so sleepy. I could sleep for hours. Now I am on the new Ambien CR 6.26 mg. but I prefer the regular Ambien because the new one does not get me to sleep right away. Some nights it takes me 2 hours to fall asleep. I wish I did not need it but if I don't take something to fall asleep the Femara will keep me awake most of the night.

    Good night ladies. Hugs,
    Odalys
  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited July 2006
    I lost 5.2 lbs this week !!!!! I feel so much better after a week of control. Even had Dairy Queen! I stayed within my points, so I was fine. Ate out twice also.

    Sorry all the toes are hurting

    Odlays I love the hair I went to the lake this past week end, it is beautiful. We also have a beach at Claytor lake state park. You can see it on the web. I love to go there.

    Not been to the beach since 2000. May go later this year. A shark attack happened less than 24 hours after leaving the beach the last time we went. Kinda freaked me out.
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    MaryLou - Wow, great start. You go girl!!! Thanks, love seeing our heads covered with hair again. I think I'm going to keep it short from now on.
    Hugs,
  • kim825
    kim825 Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2006
    MaryLou, congrats on your weight loss. That is a great start. Keep going.
    Sorry to hear about all of your toes. Ouch. I haven't broken or bruised any, but the nail sure do look ugly from the Xeloda.
    Anna, congrats on your half way mark.

    We are getting central air put in today!! Well, it will take about 5 days to complete since our house was built with baseboard heat and not even close to what we need for central air. So 7 years ago it would have cost 5,000 now it is more than double. Of course the heat wave we are having in the NE will be gone once the a/c is working. We have window units, but I am stuck in the Family Room. Upstairs is so hot. I feel so bad for these guys working in my hot attic in this weather. Oh well they are getting paid alot. lOL!
    I am feeling pretty good. I think I am on cycle 7 of Xeloda and it really hasn't been too bad. Just a little sore feel and ugly toe nails. I hope hope hope it is working and I can stay on this oral drug. When I started chemo in Oct the center I went to I had the same nurse and loved it. Then when I switched to the bigger center, I had a different nurse every time. I didn't like it. (also had to wait about 1 hour after seeing the doctor to get a chemo room).
    Hope you all are staying cool.

    Love and hugs,
    Kim
    I am not a beach person, I love a pool. When we go to Myrtle Beach the kids and dh love the beach while you find me at the pool. I was always scared of shark attacks.
    Odalys, I love the hair.
    Deb, glad the simulation is behind you. Now on to rads.
  • kim825
    kim825 Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2006

    I don't know what happened in that last post. lOL!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2006
    Woo Hoo to Mary Lou! Hey, weird question, did you ever get a package I sent you when you had that shotgun-before-you-could-even-think-about-it surgery? The only reason I ask is because my best friend saw the author speak about the book (I guess it is like a one-woman show), and raved about it.
    Kim-so good to hear from you! I have a package question for you, too! Have you received the exchange package yet, because nobody has seen it for a bit...I just haven't emailed people directly, but thought I'd ask, because someone else thinks she sent it your way and is afraid it got lost in the mail. I'm doing my own mini tracking!

    Odalys-I totally agree with you about the Ambien CR. I hated it, because I felt like I had a reverse effect with it, too! I tried it for about 2 or 3 days and said, "FORGET IT!!!!" I actually got excited when you said you got sleepy from rads, because I want to get off my Ambien soon. I get really weird from it if I try to stay awake after taking it.
    Time for lunch! Love and prayers, Debbie
  • AnnaM
    AnnaM Member Posts: 1,387
    edited July 2006
    Kim, congratulations on the soon-to-be A/C! You will love it and I sure hope your going to all this trouble to have it installed will cause an end to this heatwave. Yikes!

    I agree again, Odalys, I am beginning to really like this short stuff on my head. Yesterday I bought myself some pommade and it's pretty obvious I don't know what I am doing cause I either look like a slicked-back chicken or I look like I just stuck my finger in an electric socket. I'll keep playing with it. At least it smells nice.

    My toe is still purple, but it doesn't hurt as much.

    Mary Lou, you have inspired me. I will go and hunt around for my little point guides. I remember how easy it is if you just set your mind to it. The trick is not eating haphazardly, but really "being there" when you put something into your mouth. My very favorite thing is eating and reading at the same time. I obviously can't read at mealtimes since my husband is there and he likes conversing at the table. So I find other times to read and eat, like mid-morning with the paper and a snack, or mid-afternoon with a cup of tea and a few cookies..... The worst thing you can do is eat and do something else, cause you don't even fully enjoy that food. I keep telling myself that but the urge is so great!

    Kim, I hope you get good results from the Xeloda. How long will you be taking it?

    It's not that I get a different chemo nurse each time, it's that they quit after having been my chemo nurse for a while. First I had Jason for 3 A/Cs and he quit, then Twee for two sessions and she went on maternity leave, then Melanie for about 8 treatments and she quit to be closer to home, then Jessie and she quit to be closer to home (the traffic in Northern Virginia is truly murderous), then Heather, now Laurie. I have liked every one of them, but of course some ot them are more experienced, hence confident, than others. Laurie is very confident and she calls me her angel, so of course I am praying she will stay and stay and stay.

    Debbie, I hope your rad sessions are more comfortable than the simulation was.

    My hubs takes Ambien. It's the only thing that calms his irritable bowel syndrome so that he can sleep through the night. Weird, huh? I guess he must have been a colicky baby. Poor MIL. He likes the timed-release one.

    I LOVE beaches, especially the sound of the ocean. I love it love it love it love it! We usually spend four months at the ocean (end May-end September) but last year we had to come home for you-know-what and this year we have to stick around for treatments.

    Margerie, my oncologist likes doing Herceptin weekly if the patient can handle coming in that often, but she also gives it every three weeks. She has said I can have two separate month-long vacations from Herceptin starting after the summer. Maybe I'll like it so much I'll switch to the three-week schedule. Right now this works for me. It gives a certain routine to my summer here in Virginia. Of course if I had kids at home like you do, I wouldn't want that kind of added routine, would I?

    Whew, this has been a long one!

    Hugs to all,

    Anna
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Quote:

    Yesterday I bought myself some pommade and it's pretty obvious I don't know what I am doing cause I either look like a slicked-back chicken or I look like I just stuck my finger in an electric socket.




    Anna - I was laughing so loud while reading your post I forgot I am at work and others can hear me. Oops...

    Love your sense of humor.
    Odalys
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Margerie - I remember a while back you had lost 7 pounds. Have you lost any more weight?

    Kim – Glad to hear the Xeloda is oral, much easier to take than through a port. I know how you feel without A/C. The heat is stifling. Last year we were without it for two weeks due to the hurricanes and everyone was miserable. We ended up buying a small window unit for our bedroom and we spent most of the time in that one room. Air conditioning makes a world of difference. I hope you get yours quickly.

    Debbie – Our secretary (who is also a bc survivor) suggested I take the calcium supplements at night to help me sleep. Have you heard this before?


    Love you all.
    Odalys
  • kim825
    kim825 Member Posts: 284
    edited July 2006
    Debbie,
    I did receive the package and sent it to #10 on the list, down in Philadelphia PA. I asked Giovanni to pick a number and he said 10 that is how it was sent. I don't remember her name though.

    Kim
  • Margerie
    Margerie Member Posts: 526
    edited July 2006
    Odalys,

    I forgot to say that you look fabulous!!

    I like having short hair- it's my first time. Will probably keep it short for awhile. Got my first cut (all the frizzy ends) last week. It was fun. Still some gray, but a lot is growing in brown now. I am a pomade novice also. Sometimes I look like the heat miser.

    I did lose 7 pounds after chemo- but have not lost anymore. I did have a month where I couldn't really do much, after my ooph, and I have had plenty of sweet treats. So I am very lucky to be holding steady considering I am now in menopause!

    We have one more birthday party for my 5 yo this weekend, and then I swear I will get my act together! I can't really lose a bunch as my diep is coming up and he wants to use that belly fat. I always knew I was saving it for a good cause.

    About sleeping, the Arimidex was worse than the decadron for me. I started taking it in the morning instead and that helped a lot. Still a few nights a week I can't seem to fall asleep. So I have been rotating an ativan, Tylenol PM, or melatonin as needed. The ativan works the best. But I don't want to get hooked on them.

    We built our current home and made sure they put in 2 air conditioners. I am especially glad now- with Ms. HotFlash residing.

    Hope that Xeloda keeps treating you well Kim. Crank up the A/C and have a nice cool drink......................
  • joey50210
    joey50210 Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2006
    Hi Kim,
    I'm so glad you received the package, it was me who sent it to you and it seemed to be lost. I guess it's not lost, it's just that no one has posted about it. I hope you found something you liked in there, I had fun picking out some special things.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2006
    Thanks Kim! I'm glad we have an idea. I think that next time we should tell people to post on a seperate thread when they send the package. It would save some angst over where the heck it is!
    Love and prayers, Debbie
  • AnnaM
    AnnaM Member Posts: 1,387
    edited July 2006
    You know, Kim, the reason your A/C installation costs double what it would have cost seven or so years ago is that the one you are having installed is oh so much more efficient than that one would have been. Our system is approximately that old and was installed before we bought this house two years ago. Our heat is in 5 zones, but the A/C is one zone, which was not a good idea for a three storey house. If we want our second floor to be cool enough we have to crank the A/C so far that the downstairs is like an icebox. We have bought two of those portable A/C units for the upstairs, and that has solved the problem, but when it comes time to replace the A/C we will definitely do some zoning.

    Odalys, you mention taking calcium supplements at night. I am wondering if any of you have some insight into calcium. I read over and over that what I should be taking is elemental calcium carbonate with vitamin D and magnesium. I have found the calcium carbonate with D, but can't find it with magnesium, and have to buy the magnesium separately. Also, the calcium I buy is awfully expensive, but none of the less expensive ones are the carbonate kind. What are you all taking?

    Margerie, so you have started the Arimidex while getting Herceptin treatments. I wonder why my onc. says we'll decide on the AI after I finish? I had a FSH test last month to determine whether I was menopausal or not and apparently I am. I hardly dare say it, because I sure don't want to jinx myself, but I have not had any of those "warmish spells" my doctor keeps asking me about. I must say I was dreading them because I have always been one of those people who get all hot and sweaty on the head, ever since I was a wee thing. I really do like the short short hair, but I miss being light blond, which I guess came from my hair being out there in the light of the world. Now that it's super short it looks more like a dirty blond, or even light brown.

    As I said, Mary Lou has inspired me and I routed around and found my Points Marker from WW and have determined to write my points down. I remember how encouraging I used to find it that I could eat what I wanted and still feel in control.

    Margerie, you do need that belly fat. You might still be a little puffy in the tummy area after your DIEP, and you might say hey, what about that tummy tuck? But let me tell you, after your stage II revisions you will be a true flattey! My physical therapist, who is in her early 30s, keeps marveling at how tight and toned my tummy is. Now, if I could only do that to my arms.....

    I love you guys!

    Anna
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Just a quick note. If anyone has an opportunity to get central A/C go for it. It will maintain even temperature in your entire house and has really helped with the hot flashes.

    I'm off to see the onc to discuss ooph, again! Stay cool.
    Odalys
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2006
    Just a quick note from me, too...
    What is with all the hair dreams I'm having?! I dreamed the other day that I had the most AMAZING hairdo (although I was still growing it out from chemo in my dream, too), and suddenly Greg comes running after me with scissors screaming, "I NEED TO FIX IT!"
    Then last night, I dreamed that I looked in the mirror at my hair, had the short brown 'do that I am sporting, then when I looked at it again, it was grey, frizzy, and horrifically curly.
    I keep waking up in a nervous sweat from these dreams, they are so real to me!!!!

    I just want everyone to know that I am really thinking of all of you as we all keep on track in our journey. I also want to say that I am really so proud of all of us! Wait, can I scream that part?

    I AM SOOOO PROUD OF US!!!!!
    We really have overcome a lot, and it is nearly a year for us! When are we going to meet in person?
    I'd better get going before Daniel wakes up,
    Love and prayers, Debbie
    PS-the package is safe and sound, everyone! As an avid Ebayer, I was starting to think it got lost like many an Ebay purchase!
  • AnnaM
    AnnaM Member Posts: 1,387
    edited July 2006
    Debbie, I think that was my hair making an appearance in your dream; while it isn't grey or frizzy, it sure is horrifically curly! You know where I said if I use that pommade stuff I can make it look like I stuck my finger in an electrical socket? That actually only lasts a few minutes; it quickly reverts to curls and I look like a poodle instead.

    Did I mention I had to get a Procrit shot when I went in for my Herceptin and they did my blood counts? I thought I was so over that. My hubs says it's because I won't eat meat anymore. Are any of you having trouble with the idea of meat? I only like fish now. It's lucky this is wild Alaska salmon season, I don't know what I'll do once we can only get the farm-raised stuff again. I'm getting a steak tonight. Ah well, I should be grateful there's food on my plate, right? The things I take for granted....

    I agree, Debbie, we have come a long way. When I think of where I was last July 20. That was the day I met with the plastic surgeon from hell. That was when I thought I'd only be losing one breast and didn't know what type of reconstruction I wanted. At that point my diagnosis was just lots of multifocal DCIS, so I thought I'd be finished after the surgery. That was almost two months before my surgery and four months before I started chemo! Whew!

    Hugs,

    Anna
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
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    I am wondering if any of you have some insight into calcium. I read over and over that what I should be taking is elemental calcium carbonate with vitamin D and magnesium. I have found the calcium carbonate with D, but can't find it with magnesium, and have to buy the magnesium separately. Also, the calcium I buy is awfully expensive, but none of the less expensive ones are the carbonate kind. What are you all taking?




    Anna,
    I'm taking regular Calcium with Vitamin D, CVS brand. Onc did not mention anything about the carbonate kind. I read, on one of these boards, that 1500 mg helps reduce joint stiffness and I think there may be some truth to that because I feel less stiff since I up the dose to 1500 mg/day. The dose seems a bit high but the pharmacist said it would be okay. How many mg do you take?

    Hugs,
    Odalys
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited July 2006
    Debbie,
    Too funny. No, no hair dreams for me but some days I do feel like a boy with earings. I can't wait to get some volume/layers on top of my head. Wow...I never realized before now how attached we are to our hair.

    Hugs,
    Odalys
  • AnnaM
    AnnaM Member Posts: 1,387
    edited July 2006
    Odalys, I have been taking 600 mg/day because I drink a glass of skim milk in the morning and I eat some cheese. Both my oncologist and my PCP aren't into advising me about calcium. I will ask my new gyn when I see her in early August. I had a bone density test BEFORE the breast cancer and that showed osteopenia. I have no idea where I stand now.

    Anna

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