I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    Politics in California - Yeah Governor Moonbeam!!

    New Rule: Conservatives who love to brag about American exceptionalism must come here to California, and see it in person. And then they should be afraid -- very afraid. Because while the rest of the country is beset by stories of right-wing takeovers in places like North Carolina, Texas and Wisconsin, California is going in the opposite direction and creating the kind of modern, liberal nation the country as a whole can only dream about. And not only can't the rest of the country stop us -- we're going to drag you along with us.

    It wasn't that long ago that pundits were calling California a failed state and saying it was ungovernable. But in 2010, when other states were busy electing whatever Tea Partier claimed to hate government the most, we elected a guy who actually liked it, Jerry Brown.

    Since then, everything Republicans say can't or won't work -- gun control, immigration reform, high-speed rail -- California is making work. And everything conservatives claim will unravel the fabric of our society -- universal healthcare, higher taxes on the rich, gay marriage, medical marijuana -- has only made California stronger. And all we had to do to accomplish that was vote out every single Republican. Without a Republican governor and without a legislature being cock-blocked by Republicans, a $27 billion deficit was turned into a surplus, continuing the proud American tradition of Republicans blowing a huge hole in the budget and then Democrats coming in and cleaning it up.

    How was Governor Moonbeam able to do this? It's amazing, really. We did something economists call cutting spending AND raising taxes. I know, it sounds like some crazy science fiction story, but you see, here in California, we're not just gluten-free and soy-free and peanut-free, we're Tea Party free! Virginia could do it, too, but they're too busy forcing ultrasounds on women who want abortions. Texas could, but they don't because they're too busy putting Jesus in the science textbooks. Meanwhile their state is so broke they want to replace paved roads with gravel. I thought we had this road-paving thing licked in the 1930s, but not in Texas. But hey, in Dallas you can carry a rifle into a Chuck E. Cheese, cause that's freedom. Which is great, but it wasn't so great when that unregulated fertilizer plant in Waco blew up. In California, when things blow up, it's because we're making a Jason Statham movie.

    California isn't perfect, but it is in our nature from being on the new coast to be up for trying new things -- and maybe that's why the right wingers are always hoping we fail. On the campaign trail last year, Mitt Romney warned that if we didn't follow his conservative path, "America is going to become like Greece, or... Spain, or Italy, or... California." And that was a big laugh line with Mormons, because Greece, Spain and Italy have some art and poetry and theatre, but nothing like Salt Lake City. Yes, Mitt sure hates California, which is why he moved to San Diego. To the house with the car elevator.

    What conservatives fear about California being a petri dish for the liberal agenda is well-founded. For example, as Obamacare gets implemented here much more successfully than predicted, the movement to just go all the way to a single payer system is gathering steam. It actually passed the legislature twice, but was vetoed by Schwarzenegger, who argued it didn't go far enough to cover the children of that natural, beautiful love between a man and a cleaning lady.

    In lots of areas, California seems to have decided not to wait around for the knuckle-draggers and the selfish libertarian states to get on board. They can mock "European style democracies" all they want, we are building one here, and people like it -- the same way when Americans come back from a vacation in Europe they all say the same thing: "Wow, you can see titties on the beach!" But they also remark on the clean air, the modern, first world infrastructure, the functioning social safety net, and bread that doesn't taste like powdered glue. And they wonder, "Why can't we get that here?" Unless they're Republicans, in which case they wonder, "How can people live like that?"

    Well, swallow hard, guys, because California is eventually going to make all Americans live like that. Why? Because we're huge. The 12th largest economy in the world, the fifth largest agricultural exporter in the world, and of course number one in laser vaginal rejuvenation. There's 40 million of us -- so, for example, when California set a high mileage standard for any car sold in this state, Detroit had to make more fuel-efficient cars; we're just too big a slice of the market, and it would be too expensive to make one car for us, and another for shit-kickers who want something that runs on coal.

    It's so ironic -- the two things conservatives love the most, the free market and states rights -- are the two things that are going to bend this country into California's image as a socialist fagtopia. Maybe our constipated Congress can't pass gun control laws, but we just did. Lots of 'em. Because we don't give a shit about the NRA. Out here that stands for "Nuts, Racists, and Assholes." So while the rest of America is debating whether it's a good idea to allow guns in bars or a great idea to allow guns in bars, California is about to ban lead bullets. Which is a no-brainer, because bullets don't need lead, and lead kills birds and gets into the food supply of people who hunt their own food. Which explains why Ted Nugent is such a raving lunatic.

    While other state governments are working with Jesus to make abortion more miserable -- because otherwise women would use it for weight loss -- California is making it easier. We actually have a guy dancing on the street corner dressed as the Statue of Liberty spinning a big arrow that says, "Abortions!" And a new law will even let nurse practitioners perform abortions. And dog groomers can aid assisted suicides by Skype.

    California was the first state to legalize medical marijuana, our minimum wage is almost three dollars higher than the national rate, and in 10 years a third of our electricity will come from renewable energy and 15 percent of our cars will be electric.

    And while Republicans in the rest of the country are threatening to deport every immigrant not named Ted Cruz, California just OK'd driver's licenses for undocumented aliens. That's right, we're letting them drive cars -- just like white people! You Red Staters may ask, "How come they're lettin' Meskins drive?" Well, it's because they have to get to their jobs. You see, here in California we're embracing the modern world -- we can't be worrying about all the nonsense that keeps Fox News viewers up at night when they should be in bed adjusting their sleep apnea mask. Our state motto is, "We're Too Busy for Your Bullshit."

    The bottom line is that we are moving the country's largest economy into a place where we can all be health-insured, clean air-breathin', gay-married, immigrant-friendly citizens who don't get shot all the time. And my message to the rest of America is: do not resist. Kneel before Zod! California has been setting the trends in America for decades, from Silicon Valley to silicone tits, and it's not going to stop now. We say jump -- you say, "Please sell me new exercise clothes for jumping." We said put cilantro in food, and dammit, you did, you put cilantro in food, even though neither one of us knows what it is. Almond milk? We just had some extra almonds and thought we'd fuck with you. The enormous earlobe hole? You're welcome. We also invented the genius bar, where the kid with the enormous earlobe hole takes your MacBook in the back and fills it with animal pornography.

    Bill Maher, host of HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher

     

     

     
  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited September 2013

    Maybe I'm just used to hearing the downside but I'm having a bit of trouble believing in a California miracle. Maybe Bill Maher can live comfortably in California but many have moved to Vegas and other points because its too expensive. There's a wall keeping them Mexicans out. House prices are frightening.



    Oh Texas isn't broke, Governor Goodhair won't touch the rainy day fund even when there's a tsunami. Not defending all the dumb things this state is doing but looking for some balance in Bills rant.



    I do hope Gov Brown and the legislature keep moving in a positive fashion because California does have so many of our national treasures.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Mary...I am sorry to hear about your former co-worker....51 is to young to die from anything.  Feels worse I know that it was UC. 

    Kam.....the Moyer piece was great.  I expressed the thought myself many times when I was a long-time resident of the state that Californians were always the FIRST at everything or so it seemed.  Almost always cutting edge.

    RL - you as well had a fantastic piece  to read.  I had read an article or two, but yours had very salient points. 

    We have I-heaters here too Kam.  They are tricky to use and I think most of our success is due to a well-insulated house, but we are sometimes not as warm as we would like.   We have a fairly open concept to our house....lg. foyer with a rt. turn into the living room, and from the living room, a turn to the left and you are in the kitchen...........so all three rooms  in something of an L shape are a part of each other.  It's a lot of space to warm.  Fuel costs were either down or maybe the new company in town is fostering competition....our budget gas ( propane ) bill went from $95.00 per month last season to $70.00 this coming season.  We pay for 9 months and get 3 months off.  That by the way had nothing to do with our being seniors, it is just the way it is done here.

    Jackie

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    California is expensive for the exact reason you state Chickadee.  People want to live here.  The wall?  I thought all states had the wall.  Our hispanic population is quite strong. 

    The reason California got into debt in the first place was because Enron (in Texas) was holding our state hostage with high energy bills using market manipulations.  Arnold's predecesor was forced to borrow billions in order for California to have electricity.  That ended in a conveninet recall of our Democratic Governor Gray Davis.  And guess who was waiting in the wings - after meeting with Ken Lay at the Beverley Hilton - Arnold Swartzencan'tspellname.

    I grew up in this state so tend to take for granted, but after seeing more of the USA, I do appreciate the variety in geography, the weather and the progressive community we have.  We were calling women women, even in the 60's!  Yes, I could own a mansion in most parts of Texas for the price of my small abode here in California, but then I'd be in Texas.  I have been in Texas, several times, btw ;)

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    Jackie - what is an I-heater?  My heater, called a Monitor, is a rectangular box and kerosene is piped in from a tank outside. I set the temp, put on a timer, or just turn it off and on.  Nothing to light.   I know propane is much more expensive here than kerosene, but currently, electricity is cheaper than any fossil fuel.  We do not have natural gas, though, in this mountainous part of the state, and that would be the one exception.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Kam.....I-Heater is an Infrared heater.  Stays cool to the touch but slowly heats the oxygen in the room and can run for as long as you want to leave it on.....costs approx. $1.00 per day so is pretty economical.  Our propane is higher so we use the I-Heater as a suplement so we can be warmer.  We set the thermostat at 67 or 68 and the I Heater to 74 and it stays around 72 degrees in the major living area of our house. 

    Jackie

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited September 2013

    Hundreds of US miles without a wall. I can't ever see them walling Big Bend. El Paso has a sad chain link fence. Of course Texas is strongly Hispanic as well. Since the economic turn down in construction the immigrant population has almost disappeared....well into the shadows I'm sure, but there hasn't been any work.



    However our first venture into Texas took us to San Antonio and we stayed for a couple months in our RV. We really enjoyed the impact of diversity. We traveled for several years but when it comes to retiring we can afford it here and Austin is cool.



    We traveled all the way from San Diego to the Oregon coastline and other than the beautiful national parks there was little that appealed to us in Calif. Hardly a fair review just trusting our guts for what we like.......I wouldn't go too far from Austin though because I need to believe someone in this state isnt flat out stupid.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2013

    Gov. Moonbeam.  Makes me smile to remember when he got that nickname.  Good People, he isTongue Out used to remind me of Yoda in his wisdom...thanks for the update Kam, I forgot how much I liked him.

    Chickadee, I'd consider it cruel and unusual punishment to have a person watch your 'junior' senator.  Heard he was generous in showing the 800# to send him money.  And then, after spewing his "green eggs & ham" to prove that he doesn't understand a WORD OF IT...what a joke he played on himself & probably still doesn't realize it, he went to the House and called a meeting of the R ( won't say thuglican, in honor of one of our posters who asked us to be more civilWink but I'm allowed to THINK IT - never, NEVER, NOT DONE EVER, for a senator to go to the House and "lobby" them -

    Hope others get the Sunday Newspaper insert USA Weekend with this week's cover story by Chris Matthews, WHEN POLITICS WORKED.  Really special and wonderful article. Cover pic shows Regan and Tip O'Neill talking & smiling with each other.

    Stay warm & dry on the west coast - we're still getting this weirdly wonderful 70 & sunshine.  Feeling we'll miss it this winter - but honestly LOVE all the 4 seasons - one of my favorite things about living in MA.  Something very special abotu each season.

    BLUE - please stop wasting your PRECIOUS time reading junk.  Talk to Wendell instead, he makes MUCH more sense than posters over there...where?  Remember, there is no there, there.  Jackie's learned...Tongue Out

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    You're right Sunny.  They have their facts ass backward and don't know the double entendre for the word "Exceptional".  Simple paranoid minds!  Oh and btw, just for the record Obama was elected twice, which means more than half of Americans want his policies (Obamacare anybody), and I guess Bush didn't bushwhack you guys into a war nobody wanted either! Hucking Fypocrites!  Some memories fall shorter than mine! LMFAO!

    As far as Bill Maher goes, he's the funniest, tell it like it is, comedian I watch.  Never miss his show!  The Right can't stand him, and for good reason!

    And I will leave you with this, while I go smoke my doobie (for medicinal reasons, of course!).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGmkM4v9AaY

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited September 2013

    Blue,

    Here is the 1968 "video" of the Iron Butterfly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4

    The drummer must have been the most physically fit guy on the planet.  I am going to dance to it every day.  17 min. of that music will get my heart pumping.

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited September 2013

    I wish someone could teach people on the right wing the meanings of socialism and communism.  Simply having the privilege of venting on a web forum about the President, using rude names for him and not going to jail for that, is proof that the US is not communist. Allowing the health insurance companies to make even 1 cent of profit from your health issues is proof that the health care system is not at all socialist.

    I am not sure what is is where my one liner on the other side ("Hi, how are you?") got deleted and now my posting and reporting privileges are limited. It certainly is not the beginning of respectful, possibly helpful discussion. My Canadian friends IRL were astounded and had me repeat what I said when they heard that discussion here is limited to talking to like minded people.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Hmmm, highly agree with the last two posts   ( Sunny & Blue ).  Where GOP is concerned.....there are a huge group of people it would seem....that do not want to do the work of thinking, nor fact checking.  Therefore, they never see how totally ridiculous ( nearly insane ) the position they take is and how pretty much easy to spot by people who will do the digging, find the facts etc.    Not that I likely need to clarify, but it is so much of the reason I am here.  I am no longer very good at ferreting out facts......no matter how much I try.  So coming from a life-long Democratic back-ground.....though 1/2 of my family was Republicans ( when being a Republican meant something decent ) and marrying a Democrat coming from a family of Republicans mostly --- my comfort level has always been  well to the left.

    Speaking of the latest and greatest NOT....Crazy Carnival is going to be the guest on MTP tomorrow.  If I can get past David Greggory....I may try to watch.  I'm sure to spot some delusions and just frankly it is sometimes comical to watch some one with a straight face say such stupid things.  It must take enormous practice or even worse...takes none because he actually believes what he says.  Likely the former.  Well, you know.....once it was thought the world was flat. 

    Jackie

    great song Blue

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Hope this link will print out.  There is a hand basket and all these people's names are on it.http://prospect.org/article/memo-republicans-you-lost-now-deal-it#

    Jackie

  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
    edited September 2013

    Blue is there a Compassion Club in your part of Ontario? Not here. But I wish. Have to go to the street corner 😇.

    And y'all are right. There is no there, there. I thought that reasonable discourse, might be key to understanding the American conservative, actually really I mean the really, really to the right minority who seem to have high jacked the economy of the USA. There is no reasonable discourse with ideologues. Real conservatives have open minds and serious consider other points of view. Not possible cause over there is no listening happening. Only crude, invective. And questions about drive bys. As if the only persons who have right to speak, ask questions are those who share a rather juvenile point of view. I have an 18 month old granddaughter who has a more developed ability to feel and respond compassionately to another's pain or distress.

    Where is my doobie? Ah, there it is......

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited September 2013

    I'm hoping that there are not enough selfish congresscritters to force a government shutdown over the idea that a few can just defund Obamacare and thus thwart a law that has been passed in accordance with our constitution.  But I will not be surprised if it happens.

    I believe that people will like Obamacare and the exchanges once they are operational.  We have already seen state after state come in with rates much more reasonable than what is available in the private market now.  And there are all those who can't buy anything in the private market at any cost who will benefit greatly.  Politicians and talking heads who have been spreading misinformation and lies about the entire thing are desperate now and are capable of doing despicable things and causing great harm to many to protect their own backsides.  Unfortunately. 

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited September 2013

    Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it...

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    The issues of the Republican Party circa 2013 are eerily reminiscent of the Whig Party, which became a major political party in the United States from the 1830s through the early part of the 1850s.  The Whigs believed that “King” Andrew Jackson was a tyrant who was abusing the office of the presidency, much like today’s Republicans believe Barack Obama is doing.  The Whigs of the 1830s and 1840s controlled the day’s media, largely thanks to the efforts of Horace Greeley at The New York Tribune.  Today’s Republican Party has a massive media presence thanks to the Koch Brothers and Rupert Murdoch.  The Whigs of the 1830s and 1840s were made up of people from all walks of life, but Democrats were able to successfully paint them as the party of the rich.  The same idea holds true today with Democrats casting Republicans as the “party of the 1%”.

    What caused the demise of the Whigs of the 1850s was the fact that they were unable to deal with the issue of slavery after the Compromise of 1850, which, oddly enough, was originally a Whig idea by Henry Clay from Kentucky.  Northern Whigs wanted to see slavery abolished while southern Whigs, many of them slave owners, wanted to see the institution of slavery continue.  Today’s Republican Party is unable to deal with the Affordable Care Act, originally a Republican idea from Mitt Romney and the Heritage Foundation.  As we have seen this past week, Republicans remain sharply divided about what to do with the law.  With the Whig party lost out on a central issue it had originally supported, its best and brightest members left the party.  With today’s Republican Party speaking out against The Affordable Care Act, we’ve seen the best and brightest member of the party speak out against the law by quoting Dr. Seuss, Ashton Kutcher, and Ayn Rand.

    So, what happened to our Whig friends?

    Despite the Whig Party’s influence in local and state elections and its ability to elect both William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor to the nation’s highest office, the party eventually became too fractured to continue to be successful.  When the fractured party ran General Winfield Scott in 1854, who ended up losing convincingly to Democrat Franklin Pierce, it was all over for the party.  Ironically, many Whigs in the north regrouped and joined the a new party that called themselves the Republican Party.  Chief among their ranks was a lawyer living in Illinois who had abandoned the party in the late 1840s.  His name was Abraham Lincoln.

    Republicans, are you seeing any pattern here yet?

    Fortunately for Democrats, Republicans have never been too keen on picking up on these historical patterns.  The truth is that today’s Republican Party is essentially the Whig Party reincarnated one-hundred and sixty years later.  The are deeply, deeply fractured.  We’ve seen that on full display this week via the antics of Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Bob Corker, and John McCain among others.  What was once a loose alliance based on wanting to make Barack Obama a one-term president has become an all-out civil war among the rank and file of the GOP and the Tea Party wing.  Having a national candidate get crushed in a national election and then experiencing very public in-fighting has not helped the Republicans in their efforts to rebrand their political party’s image.

    And yet, as infuriating as it is to watch with Republicans toy with the idea of blowing up the global economy so that 12 million Americans have access to health insurance, it has brought to light just how rapidly the death rattle of the Republican Party is approaching.  The Republican Party is the Whig Party of 1854.  Their candidate just got shellacked in a national election.  They are currently against an idea that their own people first brought forth and proposed.  They have multiple factions competing for the future of the party.  They have no visible leader and the country as a whole is losing interest

    As much as liberals are enjoying the Hindenburg that is today’s Republican Party, what it ultimately means is that there is hope for the two party system to re-emerge in a way that is vital for our democracy.  The Republican Party of the mid-1850s solved its issues on the Compromise of 1850 and eventually came out as strongly anti-slavery, a platform which eventually helped Abraham Lincoln become our nation’s sixteenth president and helped with the passage of the 13th amendment.  Imagine a new political party in 2016 that is against the Affordable Care Act but that is actually against it because a single payer system would be even better for the American people.

    It is that kind of new Republican Party that could actually bring pride back to the party of Lincoln.

     


    The Forgetful Elephant: A Quick History Lesson for Today’s GOP was written by Trevor LaFauci for PoliticusUSA.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    While on the discussion of drivebys, as if that word isn't already a loaded word, the characterization of those driveby contents was beyond civility.  Hiding behind the fact that they were no longer there to speak for themselves.  I except no less, alas.

    One of the real problems with the ability of our current government to function well, i.e. having true bipartisanship, is the GOP Hastert Rule.  We would not have this small group of TP GOPers holding the rest of government hostage without it:

    The Hastert Rule, also known as the "majority of the majority" rule, is an informal governing principle used by RepublicanSpeakers of the House of Representatives since the mid-1990s to maintain their speakerships[1] and limit the power of the minority party to bring bills up for a vote on the floor of the House.[2] Under the doctrine, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives will not allow a vote on a bill unless a majority of the majority party supports the bill.[3] Its introduction is widely credited to former Speaker Dennis Hastert (1999-2007); However, Newt Gingrich, who directly preceded Hastert as Speaker (1995-1999), followed the same rule.[4] Hastert was vocal in his support of the rule stating that his job was "to please the majority of the majority."[5]

    In practical terms, adherence to the rule keeps the minority party from passing bills with the assistance of a small number of members of the majority party. It takes 218 votes to pass a bill. Even when there are 218 votes to pass a bill, the rule prevents votes from taking place when those 218 votes do not include a majority of the majority party. If the Democrats are the minority party and the Republicans are the majority party, under the majority of the majority rule it would not be possible for 170 Democrats and 50 Republicans together to pass a bill, because 50 Republicans votes is far short of a majority of the majority party, so the Speaker would not allow a vote to take place.[6] As an example, if the Republican Party is the majority party and has 234 seats in Congress, it would have to be known that there were 118 (117+1) Republican votes in support of legislation before a vote on the legislation would be scheduled. With less than 118 Republican votes, the legislation would be blocked even if 218 or more votes could be found between the two parties.

    discharge petition signed by 218 members (or more) from any party is the only way to force consideration of a bill that does not have the support of the Speaker. However, discharge petitions are rarely successful, as a member of the majority party defying their party's leadership by signing a discharge petition can expect retribution from the leadership.


    No where in the TP arguments should I see "they have the marjority" and that's a justification for holding up Obamacare, etc.   They have a stupid rule that allows them to hold even the sane Republicans hostage.  Ofcourse, they do that in their gerrymandered district's primaries too.  

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    Lassie- echo your frustration with the profusive and incorrect use of the terms "communism" and "socialism."



    It does give me a giggle (qualified by the thought, why are so many Americans so dumb?), though, when it is used, in a disparaging way, against our POTUS or government, by one who collects Social Security, Medicaid, etc., or for that matter has their streets plowed, drives on roads and bridges, enjoys their parks....

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    House Republicans are meeting, currently, devising another method to shut down the government - or another way to say that, holding the government hostage in order to delay, or repeal, or dilute Obamacare,  a law passed by both houses, signed by the POTUS and upheld by the SCOTUS.

    My friend hopes to get a hip replacement in January.  She is hobbling around now, cleaning houses for a living, waiting for Obamacare to start so she can afford to buy insurance and get the help she needs.  She is in constant pain, but continues to work, sometimes crawling from room to room because that is easier than walking and/or she can't get up off the floor.  She has been waiting for Obamacare for a year now so she can get this surgery.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2013

    Kam, Lassie, "Never try to teach a frog to sing." And other variations of the obvious, why do you CARE what is said? Just IGNORE it, really, not worth your time, you know how some people think - and if it isn't educational, supportive, nurturing - why WASTE your precious time???

    notself - thanks for reminding me how fabulous that music still is.

    Great man from the midwest speaks: http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senator-says-politics-have-reached-civil-war-levels-20130927

    The articles about the destructive nature of one sect taking up space in the political forum is in every national paper, and international paper.  Think the above really nails it.  Fine with me if they leave...

    I'm giggling with Kam about those benefiting from Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid trying to thrash others with the words "socialism" - funny, but also pathetic.  So hypocritical and not even self serving - destructive.

    I'm a happy Democrat with a Capital D, and thrilled that a WOMAN, Debby Wasserman Schultz is still leading the party - she is the strongest advocate for BREAST CANCER research in the government - sadly, from her own personal experience, but she never misses an opportunity to support more research.

    Reminds me October is almost here - time to hide under the duvet, or listen to people trying to make money out of selling pink "natural" yogurt to protect us from breast cancer. "Oh, Bother."

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited September 2013

    http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/09/27/how-to-think-about-obamacare/ (more at link, also, from Gruber, Romneycare creator) 


    The thing that staggers me about the Republican hatred of this law is its abstract quality. They never address the real problem of our massively inefficient private healthcare market, which is a huge burden on the economy. They never address how to help the millions of uninsured adults get the care all human beings need. They appear to regard a Heritage Foundation, free-market-designed, private healthcare exchange system as some kind of communist plot. They do not seem to believe there is any pressing problem at all. And they have nothing constructive to offer. 

    This is not about Obamacare. It is not even about politics. It is about a form of revolt against the very country they live in. - Andrew Sullivan 

  • scuttlers
    scuttlers Member Posts: 1,658
    edited September 2013

    Feral cats that love to take their afternoon naps on the patio.  Kiss

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    Scuttlers - I love that!  Do you manage that feral colony??

    During my remodel, my Emma, who has a lousy immune system, got an extreme case of herpes.  The Vet said "MEMO" her.   Multimodal Environmental Modification.  He wanted me to put them in dark closet while the hammers were going.  Instead I moved my 2 chairs up to the far end of the backyard and put blankets over them.  They were very happy to hang there (with their food).

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited September 2013

    I would be so angry right now if I lived in democracy and my vote was held hostage by the party that lost. It must be very frustrating. If it is anything like trying to have a discussion with my TP sister, you might as well bang your head on a brick wall.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    Pip - imagine people like my friend who needs Obamacare to get her hip replaced and get out of constant pain!  

    I have good healthcare insurance, but I can still feel for others who don't.  Apparently, empathy, is not an attribute of the GOP.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Kam and Pip......as I'm banging my head on a wall knowing "empathy"....must be a foreign word and concept to 'them'.  It must be wonderful beyond imagination to live in such a problem free situation that your needs are totally un-like those of most of the world.  Said a lot more but erased it.  If it leaves this site....only deaf ears will hear it and no eyes will understand what is written either.  Sigh !!!!

    Still not blocking "that" thread --- just the people though.  Interesting....I could care less what strange ( not in this era ) remarks might be made.....but like to know just who is talking.  There are a couple who sometimes make a bit of sense and I'm open to checking them out if they come on.

    Working this afternoon at my job that is not really a job.....at least it doesn't feel like it.  It is a joy.

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    semi-irrrestible:

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Great courage.....but it is the ight thing and someone has to open the door.

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    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

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