I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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When I was young I still wanted to have healthcare, as I was smart enough to know that accidents happen - and worse than having an accident is then not having healthcare to pay for the results of the accident. I don't think kids these days are stupid, but the insurance companies and the for-profit hospitals are far more interested in making money for their shareholders than they are in doing their basic business of providing healthcare for people who need it.
In Washington state naturopaths, acupuncturists, massage therapists and other alternative medical practitioners are covered under certain conditions, which makes having insurance even more attractive. Prior to the decision that alternative medicine must be covered I knew a fair number of people who would opt out of insurance, as they wouldn't go to doctors of western medicine. Now, I don't think I know anyone who opts out for any reason other than an inability to afford it.
One friend of ours recently told us that her Dad has found that he'll only have to pay $30 per month for insurance once the ACA kicks in. Now he can't get it due to pre-existing conditions.
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I wonder why Ted Cruz was born in Canada. What was his mother doing here?
Funny how the birthers don't mind this fact but are still doubting Obama's birthplace!
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I think that it is time to get a name for Cruz that is reflective of his behaviour: Humpty (as in Humpty Dumpty) comes to mind. "when I use a word' Humpty Dumpty said in a rather scornful tone. "It means just what I want it to mean-neither more nor less."
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Great pictures Blue, also loved the poem.
Robert Reich was interviewed by Bill Moyers this week, and has a fascinating new documentary showing now: http://inequalityforall.com/
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Hmmmm, sometimes I don't get on here enough and miss things. I would not have seen the why of anything though, since I have blocks on almost everyone at the other place. Used to go over and read, but then got tired of the never changing scenery and decided to turn it into a nice blue line. I could do a thread block, but I do get to see who is posting and when....just not what is said. It is working good for me.
Blue....love the Eggs and Spam. Of course, huge proliferation of Cruz materials ( well deserved ) at many of the sites I visit. One thing about the T.Party.....they are so far above in the rarefied air of their delight in themselves they miss the scorn and derision. I think that is ok......the end result will be the same.
Jackie
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For education purposes since this would probably never be mentioned on Fox News.
So the hostage taking by the GOP of raising the debt ceiling has begun - (paying debts we have already incurred and has nothing to do with the Appropriations and Funding process).
Here is one item the GOP wants in exchange for preventing the USA credit rating from going down the tubes. They would like to get rid of Net Neutrality. Not sure what this has to do with raising the debt ceiling, nevertheless, it has always been one of their pet projects that has ended up on the ransom list. It does nothing for the Average Joe using the internet, but allows telecommunications companies to control what and how fast something travels across the internet to you. Here is a list of how it would affect us as consumers:
What are some ways I might be affected?
Providers can restrict or disrupt your access to web content and applications in a variety of ways, including:
- Discriminating Against Competitors' Services: A provider could make sure that preferred content or applications load faster and more efficiently while competing services are slow or spotty. That would effectively create a tiered Internet - with a fast lane for those who will pay, and a slow lane for everyone else.
- Limiting Diversity of Content: A provider can enhance its own web content and services by featuring prominent menus, program guides, start screens, etc. while systematically excluding competing content.
- Favoring Commercial Services: The nonprofit and noncommercial sector could be distinguished from the for-profit sector of the online community in terms of services offered, and would suffer because they cannot compete in an environment where they have to pay for better service.
- Restricting Internet Telephone: Services that allow you to make low-cost, long-distance telephone calls using a high-speed Internet connection (sometimes called VoIP, or Voice over Internet Protocol) are becoming more and more popular. But traditional phone companies who are now getting into the Internet business don't want to lose their customers to Internet phone companies like Vonage and Skype. However, there is nothing stopping them from blocking their competition from using their network.
Why would the GOP want to get rid of Net Neutrality?
$$$ for big-monied interests - par usual. Can you just imagine what sort of news you would get if Fox was involved with delivering pipeline services?? LOL
Why do Democrats want Net Neutrality?
It’s precautionary,” Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), a prominent supporter of net neutrality, told Ars Technica over the weekend. “It’s a very clear path if you have paid prioritization, you have a fast lane that content providers can pay for. If that happens, then it’s kind of all over.”
“So this is about keeping the Internet the way it is,” Sen. Franken said. “That’s what net neutrality is. It’s about maintaining the architecture we have, which has created all this innovation and which doesn’t favor the big corporate interests over individuals and small innovators, keeping it the free zone that it is.”
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In CNBC's third-quarter All-America Economic Survey, they asked
half of the 812 poll respondents if they supportObamacare and the other half if they support the Affordable Care Act.
First thing: 30 percent of the public don't know what ACA is, vs. only 12 percent when we asked about Obamacare. More on that later.
Now for the difference: 29 percent of the public supports Obamacare compared with 22 percent who support ACA. Forty-six percent oppose Obamacare and 37 percent oppose ACA. So putting Obama in the name raises the positives and the negatives. Gender and partisanship are responsible for the differences. Men, independents and Republicans are more negative on Obamacare than ACA. Young people, Democrats, nonwhites and women are more positive on Obamacare.
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Thanks Jackie - Kieth Olberman says it so well. Community. If it doesn't work for everyone, it doesn't work for anyone.
Compromise is not a dirty word - and Nick Kristoff in yesterday's NYTimes was magnificent. Still think Tom Friedman said it all.
Hard to come to terms with people who would rather DESTROY, than create and build. Worse than sad...
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All I said was "Hi, how are ya"!
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Me too. I think it is entirely too bad that people must be identified as belonging to one thread or another and no discussion is allowed. It is a clear reflection of the great divide in American politics (the same one that is creeping northward).
My suggestion is that everyone agree to use only proper names (eg, not Obummer, not Rethuglican) or have their post deleted in an attempt to begin respectful discussion. I note that Popular Science magazine has banned all comments because of "trolls and spambots". Pity. http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments
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For my friends on the right....

Pastor Jeremiah Steepek transformed himself into a homeless person and went to the 10,000 member church that he was to be introduced as the head pastor at that morning.
He walked around his soon to be church for 30 minutes while it was filling with people for service, only 3 people out of the 7-10,000 people said hello to him.
He asked people for change to buy food – no one in the church gave him change.
He went into the sanctuary to sit down in the front of the church and was asked by the ushers if he would please sit in the back.
He greeted people to be greeted back with stares and dirty looks, with people looking down on him and judging him.
As he sat in the back of the church, he listened to the church announcements and such.
When all that was done, the elders went up and were excited to introduce the new pastor of the church to the congregation.
“We would like to introduce to you Pastor Jeremiah Steepek.” The congregation looked around clapping with joy and anticipation.
The homeless man sitting in the back stood up and started walking down the aisle. The clapping stopped with all eyes on him.
He walked up the altar and took the microphone from the elders (who were in on this) and paused for a moment then he recited,
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
‘The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
After he recited this, he looked towards the congregation and told them all what he had experienced that morning. Many began to cry and many heads were bowed in shame.
He then said, “Today I see a gathering of people, not a church of Jesus Christ. The world has enough people, but not enough disciples. When will YOU decide to become disciples?”
He then dismissed service until next week.
Following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ should be more than just talk. It ought to be a lifestyle that others around you can love about you and share in.
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So many bible thumpers who don't lnow what they are thumping!
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Lassie, I can understand that decision by Popular Science.
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Lassie, Blue, I posted the article from NPR about Popular Science a few days ago. Here it is again, along with the graphic from NPR (not my addition):
Article I ran across today from NPR. Pretty pathetic, aren't they?
'Popular Science' Shuts Comments, Citing Internet 'Trolls'
by Steve Mullis
September 24, 2013 3:13 PM<!-- END ID="STORY-META" -->
<!-- END class="IMAGEWRAP" -->PopularScience.com says it will no longer accept comments on new stories because of the negative impact of "trolls and spambots."<!-- END class="ENLARGE_HTML" -->The online content director for PopularScience.com announced Tuesday that the website will no longer accept comments on new articles, saying a small but vocal minority of "shrill, boorish specimens of the lower Internet phyla" were ruining it for everyone else.We're all familiar with that deep, dark rabbit hole of Internet comment boards. A negative or critical comment sparks a firestorm of debate until the discussion erodes into a cavalcade of insults and personal attacks. Once you finally snap back to reality, you realize you've often strayed so far from the original story that it's often difficult to find your way back.
This distracting nature of online comments is part of the reason Popular Science, the venerable 141-year-old science and technology publication, declared that it would be shutting its comment boards down.
"Comments can be bad for science," writes Suzanne LaBarre, the online content director of Popular Science. She continues:
"We are as committed to fostering lively, intellectual debate as we are to spreading the word of science far and wide. The problem is when trolls and spambots overwhelm the former, diminishing our ability to do the latter."
LaBarre writes that while PopularScience.com is certainly not the only site that attracts these sorts of commenters, and also praises the many thoughtful ones it does get, she says that "even a fractious minority wields enough power to skew a reader's perception of a story, recent research suggests."
And what would a science magazine be without a little research to back up their reasoning for the decision. LaBarre cites a University of Wisconsin, Madison study that, among other things, found that: "Uncivil comments not only polarized readers, but they often changed a participant's interpretation of the news story itself."
Study authors Dominique Brossard and Dietram A. Scheufele wrote about their research in a New York Times op-ed:
"Simply including an ad hominem attack in a reader comment was enough to make study participants think the downside of the reported technology was greater than they'd previously thought."
LaBarre says the often politically motivated debates erode the popular consensus on a wide variety of scientifically validated topics, such as evolution and the origins of climate change. She says that on occasion they will still open the comments section on select articles that "lend themselves to vigorous and intelligent discussion." The windows of communication will also remain open on other platforms like Twitter, Facebook and Google+, and the hope is that readers will still chime in there.
"Don't do it for us. Do it for science," she says.
What are your thoughts? Let us know in the comments — but let's keep it civil.
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Apparently they are everywhere - and they cannot STAND scientific discourse. Pretty sad. Taking us back to the Dark Ages one ad hominem attack at a time.
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From the Washington Post story today about the Republican hardliners blocking the funding bill:
"Another Boehner ally, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), predicted that Boehner would instead seek to add a measure that would eliminate subsidies for members of Congress to buy health insurance — although some Republicans complained at the morning meeting that such a move would create an economic hardship for their families, GOP aides said." (emphasis added)
OH BOO EFFING HOO! Call the waaaaaambulance! Congressional Republicans are whining about potential economic hardship for their families if they don't get government subsidies to buy insurance on the exchanges ... yet they are hell-bent on shutting the government down and causing a lot of economic hardship for MILLIONS of families just to show the black guy in the White House a thing or two. REALLY!??? So they are going to derail the fragile recovery, trash the economy, throw millions of people out of work (the multiplier effect, folks) and then whine about taxpayer subsidies for their health insurance? And people still vote for them! Wow, are they being played or what?

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