I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2013

    Scuttlers - a 1951 Packard - indestructible - a college friend had on in her family, saw it hit a huge stone pillar at end of driveway, pillar gave, Packard fine.  Truly.

    I wanna sit on Blue's porch, 'n rock in the sunshine, drinking iced tea, lemonade ( fresh) would be fine too.

    Used to be Fall, leaves turning, then went up into 70's today... strange doings...50 at night, when we had FROST last week - which is why I have a PILE of green tomatoes in a basket on a kitchen counter - didn't want them to get frozed....

    I still look for Athena.....feel sad...

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2013

    You know, the irony of Carnie Cruz reading "Green Eggs and Ham" on the Senate floor during his little temper tantrum (no, I don't admire him for holding up the people's business to have a temper tantrum) was apparently lost on Cruz and his sheep. Uh ... It is about not being negative about new things before you try them. Du-uh!



  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    From the Edge today:

    TODAY IN ONE PARAGRAPH: Ted Cruz was forced off the floor after 21 hours, Harry Reid called it a "waste of time," and the Senate voted unanimously on the most preliminary of steps to set up a cloture-vote showdown later this week. If Reid gets cloture, he'll have a clear path to passing a budget extension that protects Obamacare funding, and the measure will then be sent back to the House. Elsewhere, the Treasury Department handed Congress a deadline of Oct. 17 for raising the debt ceiling, the Obama administration released new information on what Americans will pay for insurance under Obamacare, and the FBI released more information (and video) on the Navy Yard shooting.

    BREAKING NOW—A CURVEBALL FROM THE GOP: "Multiple GOP senators tell [National Review's Robert Costa that] House Republicans will likely pass a short-term continuing resolution to fund the government into early October. 'It'd be a short-term, clean CR,' as one describes the legislation. 'It'd fund the government for one week or so and keep us talking,' says another senator.… House Republican aides say the leadership is still considering several options and would not confirm the report." (Robert Costa, National Review)

    WHAT'S NEXT: The Senate is expected to take the key budget vote Friday or Saturday, where Reid will be looking to score 60 votes to get cloture on the resolution. With cloture, Democrats would have all the votes they need to remove the Obamacare defunding provisions from the budget extension, and send the clean version back to the House.

    WHO WILL STAND WITH TED? The cloture vote seems likely to pass, but the drama centers on which side GOP senators will take in their party's internal civil war. They can stick with Mitch McConnell and vote for cloture, or they can heed Cruz's call to block any bill that funds the Affordable Care Act, even if that means a government shutdown. Cruz is promising to make life painful for his party mates who vote for cloture, as he has repeatedly promised to tell voters that "a vote for cloture is a vote for Obamacare."

    RELIVE THE CRUZ HIGHLIGHTS: National Journal kept a play-by-play blog of Cruz's not-quite filibuster, featuring Nazi references, a feisty exchange with Dick Durbin, a Darth Vader impression ("Mike Lee, I am your father!") and a full reading of Dr. Seuss's Green Eggs and Ham. (Berman/Vasilogambros/Volz, NJ)

    I think Carnival Clown Cruz is cruizing without a deck.

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Bet you have all seen this guy on 'that' commercial:

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    RL- apparently Elisabeth Hasselback, in addition to Cruz, got the meaning of the green eggs story backassward too. Logically, what Children's book would encourage their reader to turn up their nose at something without trying it first.



    From POLITICO



    “Without a doubt, if Dr. Seuss were still around today, he would be poking fun at and criticizing Ted Cruz,” Dreier told POLITICO.

    Dreier included Dr. Seuss — whose real name is Theodor Geisel — in his book, “The 100 Greatest Americans of the 20th Century: A Social Justice Hall of Fame” and said Geisel would be “offended” at Cruz using the famous children’s book in his argument against Obamacare.

    “‘Green Eggs and Ham’ is about trying new things and giving it a chance and being open to change, right? And here’s Ted Cruz trying to stop Obamacare, really before it gets going,” Dreier said.

    Cruz’s office did not immediately responded to request for comment.

    Dreier added that most people considered Geisel to be a progressive and before he was a children’s book author, was an editorial cartoonist at a left-wing paper.

    Another Seuss scholar says that Dr. Seuss wouldn’t have “much patience” with Cruz.

    “I mean in some ways Ted Cruz is a Dr. Seuss character…he is this kind of cartoon character who sort of parodies his own behavior. You could imagine him as being in a Dr. Seuss book without really changing much about him, he’s so outlandish,” said Phil Nel, a Seuss scholar and professor of children’s literature at Kansas State University.





    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/dr-seuss-ted-cruz-97350.html#ixzz2fxJnHmSo

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2013

    Exactly, Kam! Of course, the regressives continue to make up crap and insist that things mean what they want them to mean instead of what they really are. Down is up in Regressistan. Day is night in Regressistan. They end up believing their own fantasies, like their own polls that caused them to insist that Robme and Ruin were going to win the election in spite of abundant evidence to the contrary. And they believe that the American people will love them if they shut the government down. Okey dokey, go ahead. Good luck with that! :-)

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    You can say that again, and again, and again.  Even though I know how the Regressive Regressitans  logic works, I still will end up dumb-founded often.  I mean do you censure for the outlandishness that is wrong or pity for the apparent total in-ability to be able to view ones-self through the eyes of so many, many others that do not and will not ever be able to SEE as they see. 

    I guess I too would have to say....go ahead.  Increase that losing edge/streak by leaps and bounds.  It is nothing to me if you wish to devour yourself.  Enjoy.

    Jackie

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited September 2013

    One irony that seems to be lost on some Tea Party Republicans who love Cruz, the same Republicans who detest (or at least deride) Canada, is that Cruz is Canadian first. There is a procedure anyone must undertake to renounce citizenship and he has not undertaken that procedure; therefore he is Canadian.  How is that reconciled?

    ETA - not that many of us really want him, but we do enjoy a good conundrum.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    If he's not careful, both countries might disown him. :)  Isn't Cuba still in his background somewhere or do I have confused with that other confused poltician from Florida?

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2013

    Ted Cruz fashion statement. Wonder if he's learned to like green eggs and ham yet? According to Dr. Seus it's only a matter of time! Laughing

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    Do regressives even read?

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    Lassie, the fact that they hate us is a compliment!

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited September 2013

    They read, Cruz though is apparently missing comprehension skills for the work of Dr. Seuss. The whole idea behind green eggs and ham was to not make up your mind about something without trying it. Yet the tea party is attempting to convince everyoneto hate the ACA without trying it.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2013

    The really appalling thing about the regressives working so desperately to either destroy the Affordable Care Act or convince other people to not sign up for health insurance under it is that many of those regressives have health insurance and access to health care. They want to deny people without health insurance or access to health care the opportunity to get health care! And from their oh-so-superior (and wrong) points of view, "anybody can go to the emergency room and get 'free' healthcare."



    Of course, they refuse to understand that we all pay for that through our taxes and through insurance premiums that those of us fortunate enough to have insurance pay. Nothing is "free," least of all healthcare. AND, more importantly, emergency rooms don't treat chronic conditions and don't provide routine health care. You can't go to the ER for that lump in your breast. And many, many people don't go to the ER even for emergencies like heart attacks because they have no money and can't pay the bill, because they know they will be hounded and/or sued by bill collectors -- and now, in some states that have reverted to medieval times, they can be jailed for debt. Oh yay.



    These regressives are the same people who blithely say that the hungry should forage in dumpsters behind restaurants for "perfectly good" food. What kind of person ARE you if you think that the hungry should eat out of dumpsters and the poor should not have access to medical care. Most of the people you despise for taking public assistance and needing a hand are working people - the people who mow the lawns and clean the toilets and watch the children. Ugh.



    And yes, Lassie, it is hysterically funny that Carnie is a Canadian citizen still because he hasn't renounced. And for the deniers, just search for Immigration Canada on the web and look at the citizenship requirements and renunciation. And yes, Kam, his papa was a Cuban citizen when he was born. He had a Cuban passport. I haven't looked up Cuban citizenship so I don't know how it transmits. Oh, the irony. And does anyone know how old Carnie's mom was when she birthed him in Canada? Under the Immigration and Nationality Act in effect at the time he was born, I do believe she had to have lived in the United States a certain amount of time after a certain age (it used to be 14, but I am not sure) in order to transmit her citizenship to her kid. (I used to be a passport examiner and remember this. I also dated a guy whose father was Canadian and mother was Canadian-American and she was just a few days over the required time in the U.S. to transmit her citizenship to her son.)



    Heh.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Thinking about what you said RL......and the fact it seems that the old, sick, or weak are just supposed to kindly die please as you can't do us any good.  As you so aptly pointed out though.....so many of 'those' people are the very ones who make life better --- do the work --- pay the taxes and add the wonderful boosts to life that are enjoyed by the "made it" group. 

    Other interesting thoughts might be.....there are many who don't NEED or WANT to have a big fat bank-roll.  Many manage quite well without it and could and would continue to live useful, productive lives being only happy to brighten the world in whatever way they can. 

    On to work today.  See you all later.

    Jackie 

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2013

    Stunning.

    Salon.com

    Thursday, Sep 26, 2013 08:30 AM EDT

    “Are you Robert Reich? You’re a Commie dirtbag!”

    A frightening airport encounter speaks volumes about the nation's level of political discourse                        

    By Robert Reich

    This originally appeared on Robert Reich's blog.

    Not long ago I was walking toward an airport departure gate when a man approached me.

    “Are you Robert Reich?” he asked.

    “Yes,” I said.

    “You’re a Commie dirtbag.” (He actually used a variant of that noun, one that can’t be printed here.)

    “I’m sorry?” I thought I had misunderstood him.

    “You’re a Commie dirtbag.”

    My mind raced through several possibilities. Was I in danger? That seemed doubtful. He was well-dressed and had a briefcase in one hand. He couldn’t have gotten through the checkpoint with a knife or gun. Should I just walk away? Probably. But what if he followed me? Regardless, why should I let him get away with insulting me?

    I decided to respond, as civilly as I could: “You’re wrong. Where did you get your information?”

    “Fox News. Bill O’Reilly says you’re a Communist.”

    A year or so ago Bill O’Reilly did say on his Fox News show that I was a Communist. I couldn’t imagine what I’d done to provoke his ire except to appear on several TV shows arguing for higher taxes on the wealthy, which hardly qualified me as a Communist. Nor am I exactly a revolutionary. I served in Bill Clinton’s cabinet. My first full-time job in Washington was in the Ford administration, working for Robert H. Bork at the Justice Department.

    “Don’t believe everything you hear on Fox News,” I said. The man walked away, still irritated.

    It’s rare that I’m accosted and insulted by strangers, but I do receive vitriolic e-mails and angry Facebook posts. On the Internet and on TV shows, name-calling substitutes for argument, and ad hominem attack for reason.

    Scholars who track these things say the partisan divide is sharper today than it has been in almost a century. The typical Republican agrees with the typical Democrat on almost no major issue. If you haven’t noticed, Congress is in complete gridlock.

    At the same time, polls show Americans to be more contemptuous and less trusting of major institutions: government, big business, unions, Wall Street, the media.

    I’m 67 and have lived through some angry times: Joseph R. McCarthy’s witch hunts of the 1950s, the struggle for civil rights and the Vietnam protests in the 1960s, Watergate and its aftermath in the 1970s. But I don’t recall the degree of generalized bile that seems to have gripped the nation in recent years.

    The puzzle is that many of the big issues that used to divide us, from desegregation to foreign policy, are less incendiary today. True, we disagree about guns, abortion and gay marriage, but for the most part have let the states handle these issues. So what, exactly, explains the national distemper?


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    For one, we increasingly live in hermetically sealed ideological zones that are almost immune to compromise or nuance. Internet algorithms and the proliferation of media have let us surround ourselves with opinions that confirm our biases. We’re also segregating geographically into red or blue territories: chances are that our neighbors share our views, and magnify them. So when we come across someone outside these zones, whose views have been summarily dismissed or vilified, our minds are closed.

    Add in the fact that most Americans no longer remember the era, from the Great Depression through World War II, when we were all in it together — when hardship touched almost every family, and we were palpably dependent on one another. There were sharp disagreements, but we shared challenges that forced us to work together toward common ends. Small wonder that by the end of the war, Americans’ confidence in major institutions of our society was at its highest.

    These changes help explain why Americans are so divided, but not why they’re so angry. To understand that, we need to look at the economy.

    Put simply, most people are on a downward escalator. Although jobs are slowly returning, pay is not. Most jobs created since the start of the recovery, in 2009, pay less than the jobs that were lost during the Great Recession. This means many people are working harder than ever, but still getting nowhere. They’re increasingly pessimistic about their chances of ever doing better.

    As their wages and benefits shrink, though, they see corporate executives and Wall Street bankers doing far better than ever before. And they are keenly aware of bailouts and special subsidies for agribusinesses, pharma, oil and gas, military contractors, finance and every other well-connected industry.

    Political scientists have noted a high correlation between inequality and polarization. But economic class isn’t the only dividing line in America. Many working-class voters are heartland Republicans, while many of America’s superrich are coastal Democrats. The real division is between those who believe the game is rigged against them and those who believe they have a decent shot.

    Losers of rigged games can become very angry, as history has revealed repeatedly. In America, the populist wings of both parties have become more vocal in recent years — the difference being that the populist right blames government more than it does big corporations while the populist left blames big corporations more than government.

    Widening inequality thereby ignites what the historian Richard Hofstadter called the “paranoid style in American politics.” It animated the Know-Nothing and Anti-Masonic movements before the Civil War, the populist agitators of the Progressive Era and the John Birch Society — whose founder accused President Dwight D. Eisenhower of being a “dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy” — in the 1950s.

    Inequality is far wider now than it was then, and threatens social cohesion and trust. I don’t think Bill O’Reilly really believes I’m a Communist. He’s just channeling the nation’s bile.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/09/26/are_you_robert_reich_youre_a_commie_dirtbag_partner/

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    OR, maybe this one?

    http://www.energyenhancement.org/Patanjali-Monkey-Attitude.jpg

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    Clinton once said that the uproar over any mention of gun control in rural areas has a lot to do with "hunting and fishing."  For many, this is their leisure time - most either not inclined, but many who cannot afford, fancy trips to foreign countries.  Between that and stamping Democrats, incorrectly, as the Party that would take their guns away, makes choosing a Democrat risky business, in their minds, maybe even causing hate for Democrats, if they thought they would interfere with their only leisure time activity.  At the same time, those people might be better off if they voted Democratic, but they can't get past one of their primary fears and prejudices.

    I somewhat disagree, though, that Fox News only feeds these archtypes (the above being one example "Democrats want to take your guns away").  Ofcourse, O'Reilly doesn't believe the bile he is feeding, but I do think Fox does it for more insidious reasons - acting as an arm of Corporate America and the politicians Corporate America has elected.  I believe Fox has created a majority if not all of this knee jerk rightwing political hate.  They have the ability to create stories out of whole cloth - not just react to them.  Witness Bengahzi, Fast and Furious, and all of the misinformation about Obamacare.

    I'm sure some of us have heard the story of the man at the Kentucky fair:

    A middle-aged man in a red golf shirt shuffles up to a small folding table with gold trim, in a booth adorned with a flotilla of helium balloons, where government workers at the Kentucky State Fair are hawking the virtues of Kynect, the state's health benefit exchange established by Obamacare.

    The man is impressed. "This beats Obamacare I hope," he mutters to one of the workers.

    "Do I burst his bubble?" wonders Reina Diaz-Dempsey, overseeing the operation. She doesn't. If he signs up, it's a win-win, whether he knows he's been ensnared by Obamacare or not.

    Yep, that guy in Kentucky has been told so many times to hate Obamacare that he genuinely believes it's awful. But in Kentucky, a red state with a Democratic governor, implementation of the Affordable Care Act is continuing apace with the creation of "Kynect" -- the state's new health care marketplace. Indeed, as Cherkis explained, "The state had spent millions establishing the exchange, staffing up outreach, and conducting market research that included holding a dozen focus groups in Louisville, Paducah and London."

    And as the anecdote helps demonstrate, it's having some success. People don't necessarily realize that new benefits available in Kentucky have anything to do with the federal law they've been conditioned to reject. It's why they're impressed when they hear the pitch from policy experts like Reina Diaz-Dempsey -- the benefits sound like a pretty good deal for folks.

    If they think those benefits "beat Obamacare," so be it.

    Of course, this does suggest something health care proponents are going to have to get used to: the Affordable Care Act has an Obamacare problem.

    As Jonathan Bernstein explained a while back, "The law is going to make health care better for many Americans. A lot of them just won't realize it's the same thing as the Obamacare they hate."

     
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    I prefer this one!

    http://www.floozeesdoozees.com/WordPress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/kissmyshiny.jpg

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    Oh,  could go on and on but this little find was too funny to let go!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KQbYX470Uk

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited September 2013

    Hee hee - saw these comments following this article:

    http://healthcare.dmagazine.com/2013/09/25/insurance-rates-for-texas-affordable-care-act-marketplace-lower-than-expected/


    Bobo from Texas said on September 25, 2013 at 11:16 am:

    I would like to thank all of those young folks who so enthusiastically voted for Obama for selflessly volunteering to pay 2-3 times more for insurance they most likely won’t use.

    Your sacrifice will cut what this old white guy has to pay, freeing up more money for golf and my old car hobby.

    I know that it will be tough paying all this extra in addition to those student loans, but it will really be worth it for me and my fellow Baby Boomers.

    Work hard and pay more because we so very much deserve it.

    Hope&Change!

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    • old white guy said on September 25, 2013 at 5:11 pm:

      As an old white guy I am thrilled I will no longer have to subsidize uninsured people, young having babies and getting child care, that were getting it free and that hospitals passed passed the cost on to me in the form of $80 aspirin amd higher insurance premiums

       


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