I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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Kam, I read that a while back --- I too had lost my Insurance a few weeks before I knew something was likely wrong with me that would scare the bejeesus our of me...............and thank God for the V.A. I had a bruise on my breast....upper outer to mid quadrant that basically changed colors, but did nothing else. Did not get worse, or better. Thats when I knew I had to do something. I tried every Ins. co I could think of but of course.....couldn't afford anything.
The V.A. took me on, gave me some of the finest care I could have hoped for.........and based on some things I saw before when I was going to my PCP on a regular basis....possibly even better than I would have gotten with the Insurance I had been using. I'll never know that but I was diagnoed and treated in 2007-2008 and I'm still here to be a royal pain to many.
Speaking of pain.....just found a newbie that had to be turned off by block.........If that keeps up there will be an entire thread block. As of now.....I'll leave it be. There is another place I check out now and then...not too often because its a rather boring group...it is all SSDD....same ole stuff, over and over and over. Just a different day. Not much life going on there.
Jackie
ETA -- glad you put that in Kam. It is something that needs to be seen.....there but for the grace.
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Yorkie ... looking for the "like" button.
hugs,
Bren
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for the cat lovers...I chortled big time over it. -
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Tallk about one of the worst things Fox News could do......hire Sarah Palin............so many of us could continue ro get our belly-shaking laughs for the day. After all.......laughing is extremely healthy. Love the references to Moose season....from the person who knows Moose better than almost anyone. I think she talks their language. If she is not careful...she won't be talking Fox's for very long.
Jackie
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/09/23/sarah-palin-goes-on-anti-gop-rampage-video/
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Bren- even if it makes my backyard look like Stalag 17, I have a cat fence. And let me tell you, it's hell to keep up through our heavy California snows (and at this point, 7 years in, it is cobbled and patched together), but my cats are privledged to explore the outdoors without threat of cars, dogs, coyotes, etc.. Given the choice, they will stay outdoors from sun up to sun down, in good weather. Mostly they sleep in their tent beds made up from my outdoor chairs, towels, and blankets. After having this fence, I couldn't even ponder letting my cats out to suffer the consequences of the real outdoor world. As it is, they are not allowed out after dusk. The nice part of having the fence is that I get to enjoy my cats 24/7 and I'm never wondering if they are in danger - I know, some people are so "controlling."

Jackie - are you talking about the graphic Yorkie posted? Also - congrats for being 6 years out - Stage 3!! I love to see profiles like yours xxo
Looking for the new Pope's speech on income inequality. And here is the description:
Meeting with a group of unemployed workers, Pope Francis abandoned his prepared text on Sunday to make some of his strongest remarks against economic inequality.
Later, he spoke to a crowd of thousands where he condemned the idolization of the “god of money.” “To defend this economic culture, a throwaway culture has been installed,” he said “We throw away grandparents, and we throw away young people. We have to say no to this throwaway culture. We want a just system that helps everyone.”
This approach, Francis said, marginalizes the young and old, causing those who suffer the most to “fall away,” creating a “hidden euthanasia” that neglects the poor elderly.
Francis spoke at Sardinia, an island off of Italy’s coast and a site of vast income inequality between its cities and resort beaches. The island has been a location for massive protests against extreme European budget-cutting. Francis himself has condemned austerity policies and instead encouraged lawmakers toimplement pro-growth policies to fight poverty. And yet the American Catholic Church has only reigned in the efforts of a group of U.S. Catholic nuns to champion economic and health care programs that help the poor.
Sounds like the new Pope needs to come to the USA and speak to the GOPers.
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OMG---yes, it was Yorkie's. I'm so sorry for that. I didn't want to take the stage away from that because it is so important. I think that woman speaks for so many. So many people have very little, and they are ok with that for the most part. There are many in the GOP that should have to read that everyday, and maybe right before they go to bed every night.
Jackie
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Hoping this isn't too big......some interesting info here.....all in one place.

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From the Progress Report:
GOP Takes Obamacare Meltdown To A Whole New Level
A mere seven days remain for Congress to pass a spending bill in order to avoid a government shutdown. But Republicans are farther away than ever from agreeing to a reasonable plan that would keep the government open.
On Friday, the House GOP continued its march toward shutdown by passing a bill that ties keeping the government open to–surprise!–fully defunding Obamacare. Once again, Republicans refuse to do the hard work of actual governing in favor of playing political games that threaten to sabotage the economy. But while the vote only solidified the GOP’s ideological and dangerous strategy, it opened the floodgates for more infighting among its owns members. Here is what a number of key GOP players and establishment thinkers have to say about the “defund at all costs” plan:- GOP Sen. John McCain (AZ): “I can tell you that in the U.S. Senate, we will not repeal or defund Obamacare. We will not. And to think we can is not rational.”
- GOP Strategist Karl Rove: The GOP defunding strategy is “self-defeating…It is an ill-conceived tactic, and Republicans should reject it.”
- Fox News Host Bill O’Reilly: Defunding Obamacare is “fanaticism on the right,” O’Reilly says. “There’s no way Obamacare is going to be defunded. It’s not gonna happen.”
- GOP Sen. Tom Coburn (OK): “Tactics and strategies ought to be based on what the real world is, and we do not have the political power to do this.”
- GOP Sen. Rand Paul (KY): “I’m acknowledging we can’t probably defeat or get rid of Obamacare.”
- GOP Sen. Kelly Ayotte (NH): “I don’t believe they should shut down the government to [defund Obamacare], and I don’t think that is a strategy that is good for America.”
- GOP Sen. Johnny Isakson (GA): “It’s total atrophy. We’re earning our 11 percent popularity. It’s easier to talk about Obamacare than the major sources of our problems.”
- Wall Street Journal Editorial Board: “Kamikaze missions rarely turn out well, least of all for the pilots… The kamikazes could end up ensuring the return of all-Democratic rule.”
Now, they all may just be trying to protect their party’s interests. But they seem to know what most Americans already do: the extreme demands by the GOP to push a narrow ideological agenda are out of touch. A new bipartisan CNBC poll released today proves that point. Almost six in ten Americans oppose defunding the health care law if it means a government shutdown, while just 19 percent support. A poll released last week found that only 23 percent of Americans want to make the health care law fail.
BOTTOM LINE: Republicans’ political games are threatening our nation’s economic recovery. Americans don’t want to shut down the government and want an end to the hostage-taking political tactics that place ideology over practical solutions for stability and growth. -
Jackie - Looking at that list of fallacious Republican claims about Obama, it is a reminder of their inability to get beyond their constant negativity in order to actually govern. Where are the Republicans that want to solve problems? To actually govern? Seems like all they do these days is try to shut the government down, one way or another. I often wonder why Republicans even run for office, other than for providing obstacles to government or making it difficult for our current POTUS.
Their hatred of Obamacare (translation: Obama) is case in point. Yes, it is a difficult law to institute. So was Medicare, but they hated the ACA from day one and don't even want to give it a chance. It's especially odd since it is modeled after their own POTUS's nominee state plan and the Conservative Think Tank - The Heritage Foundation's plan. Fairly obvious to me they are afraid that it will be a feather in Obama's cap and will insure a Democratic POTUS in 2016. They're parrots of the dribble they hear on Fox News (Rich Republican controlled news). They hear their talking points and just hate hate hate. Why would anyone want to deny someone without healthcare insurance, health insurance. Why?
I'm just having a huge sick of Republicans day. I long for the likes of Bob Packwood, Robert Dole and even Everett Dirkson. Where did those folks go? In the meantime, those sheep in the GOP are mindlessly being co-opted by the far right, Ted Cruz et al and they're leading their party off the cliff.
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Happy Birthday Scuttlers!!!!
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Happy Birthday Scuttlers and suzie!
Send all the dems you want to Canada we don't want any stupidforbrains here. U.S. politics is becoming the stupidforcountry around the world. The tea party should be ashamed! Can anyone say laughingstock! Even my mother, 87 years old and suffering with Alzheimer's, says they are a disgrace! She was always a wise woman!
The way some of them are posting, one would think they are proud of this stupidforbrains behaviour!
And Jim Morrison MIGHT be a dead rocker, but he sure ain't ugly and may not even be dead!
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There remain, however, decent people in the United States. Here are a few of them:
ABC News
Georgia Family Donates Cancelled Wedding's Reception to Homeless
Sept. 23, 2013By CHRISTINA NG
But instead of cancelling everything and losing their deposits, they decided to change the guest list -- to 200 homeless people.
"We went home that evening and my husband woke up the next morning and I was in the process of cancelling out the venue and he said, 'No, what we'll do is donate it to Hosea Feed the Hungry,'" Carol Fowler told ABCNews.com today.
"It was a vision," Fowler said of her husband's idea. "He said he had prayed on it during the night and God had directed him and that's what we were going to do."
The Fowlers called Hosea Feed the Hungry, an organization that their daughter had volunteered for when she was younger. It is a nonprofit organization in Atlanta, Ga., that provides homeless individuals with services and resources.
"When they first called, the administration thought it was a prank call because it was too good to be true," Quisa Foster of Hosea Feed the Hungry said. "It's a very creme de la creme wedding venue, so to say that you're going to host 200 homeless individuals at Villa Christina -- it sounds like a prank call."
The Fowlers persisted and eventually had a meeting with the organization to prove their good intentions and plan the event.
On Sept. 15, buses transported 200 homeless women, children and families to Villa Christina for the event. It began at 2 p.m. with outdoor appetizers and space for the children to run and play.
The event then moved inside, where the approximately 50 children had a room to themselves with face-painting, juggling and crowns.
"The children had chicken fingers, French fries, fresh fruit and chocolate chip cookies," Carol Fowler said. "The adults had salmon and chicken."
"All the plates were empty and there wasn't any leftover food at all. It was an eye-opening experience," Foster said. "You go to weddings sometimes and you see a lot of people really waste food. We take so many things for granted. These clients or guests, as we call them, they don't."
The day's "inspiration program" included a motivational speaker for the adults.
"When you look at the faces of the women and children and actually participated in the event, they look like you and me," Foster said. "These are working families that for whatever reason -- the recession, economic turn -- have found themselves in a place where they're without a place to live and starting over."
"It was a wonderful event. It brought tears to my eyes," she said.
The Fowlers were very involved in the whole event and enjoyed greeting all of their guests. Their daughter was also on hand for a day that was "bittersweet but rewarding" for her, Willie Fowler said. The family declined to comment on why the wedding had been cancelled.
"There is no way to explain how it makes you feel, but it's wonderful," Willie Fowler said of seeing the joy at the event.
"It's just that wonderful, rewarding feeling," Carol Fowler said. "If we could just inspire one youth in that crowd to rise above the situation today and be a very responsible member of society tomorrow, that would be extremely rewarding."
The Fowlers are hoping to make the affair a yearly event that will be two days and incorporate educational elements for the participants.
They pointed out that events are cancelled all the time and encouraged others to think about donating
"If you have cancelled an event, do not walk away. Pick up the phone and call your favorite charity and offer it to them," Carol Fowler said. "We're regular, working people and anybody can do this. This is not star stuff."
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What a wonderful and thoughtful thing to do.
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Now those people are true Americans......fantastic story and something that could happen all over the U.S. Sadly, I'm sure it won't....but that is love at work.....and that is what it will take. No hate, only love.
Jackie
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I agree GG. My rant was aimed at the tea party aka shitforbrains!
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Oh, Blue, we all know that there are a depressing number of people who would have called the venue and the caterer and screamed and thrown temper tantrums to get their money (or at least a portion of it) back. This family was exceptionally generous, and it is heartening to see that there are still people like that around -- people who don't sneer at the homeless or insist that feeding hungry people will lead to a "culture of dependency" (just another dog whistle phrase). The vast majority of people who are on public assistance want jobs, want to work, want to be productive members of society -- and it is disgusting that some want to penalize them (starve them) for the actions of a few. Hmmm... kind of like my example of yesterday. Since some Republicans cheat on their taxes, we should make ALL Republicans pay more in taxes because, as I said yesterday, 99.8% of Republicans cheat on their taxes. (I made that up, but hey -- it's my First Amendment right, yes?)
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Wonderful and inspiring story, RL!
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Apparently it's your rightvto make shit up. And according to Chuck Todd, it's not the media's responsibility to point out the facts. I guess they are just entertainers now.
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AND, C4C, let's not forget one of the most important things - Saint Ronnie took the United States from being the largest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation in the world -- starting our long slide into debt and erasing our economic pre-eminence. But hey -- debt only matters if it is a Democrat creating it, and it only REALLY matters if it's the black Democrat who is trying to help people, right?
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From the NY Times, July 4, 1989 ... hmmm, let me see, what party was in power ...???
U.S. Is Bigger Debtor Nation
Reuters Published: July 04, 1989The United States, already the world's largest debtor, sank an additional $154.2 billion into the red last year as foreign money poured in to plug the nation's balance-of-payments gap.
The value of foreign investments in the United States, ranging from stocks to factories, exceeded American investments abroad by $532.5 billion at the end of 1988, up from $378.3 billion a year earlier, the Commerce Department said last week.
As recently as 1984, the United States was a net creditor to the rest of the world by about $3.3 billion. (emphasis mine - let's see, who was president of the U.S. in 1984? Who had been president for 4 years by that point? ... hmmmmm)
In 1981, before the American budget and current-account deficits started to balloon, the net investment position was a positive $140.9 billion, the Commerce Department said.
The increasing debt is likely to mean that American living standards will rise a bit more slowly than they otherwise would, as interest and dividend payments to foreigners siphon off an increasing share of the United States' output of goods and services.
Foreign assets in the United States jumped by $238.2 billion, or 15.4 percent, to $1.78 trillion in 1988. Included in this total was a record $57.1 billion rise in direct investment, to $328.9 billion, the Government said.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/04/business/us-is-bigger-debtor-nation.html (see for yourself)
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Morning ... ooops ... Afternoon Friends,
Libby .. what a wonderful article. Restores your faith in everyday Americans!
Scuttlers .. wishing you a very happy birthday.
Suzie .. hope you have a great birthday too.
Geez, it's that time of year ago. Raking up chestnut pods and walnut pods and shoveling them over the fence. Arggh. Those chestnut pods are dangerous. I've had them hit me in the head before when I've been raking them. Need to remember to where a hat. Soon it will be time to start raking up acorns and blowing leaves.
I love the fall ... it's nice and cool out for lots of yardwork.
hugs,
Bren
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Economic View
The Mental Strain of Making Do With Less
By SENDHIL MULLAINATHAN
September 21, 2013
DIETS don’t just reduce weight, they can reduce mental capacity. In other words, dieting can make you dumber.
Understanding why this is the case can illuminate a range of experiences, including something as far removed from voluntary calorie restriction as the ordeal of outright poverty.Imagine that you are attending a late-afternoon meeting. Someone brings in a plate of cookies and places them on the other side of the conference table. Ten minutes later you realize you’ve processed only half of what has been said.
Why? Only half of your mind was in the meeting. The other half was with the cookies: “Should I have one? I worked out yesterday. I deserve it. No, I should be good.”
That cookie threatened to strain your waistline. It succeeded in straining your mind.
This can happen even with no cookie in sight. Dieters conjure their own cookies: psychologists find that dieters have spontaneous self-generated cravings at a much higher rate than nondieters. And these cravings are not the dieters’ only distraction. Diets force trade-offs: If you eat the cookie, should you skip the appetizer at dinner? But that restaurant looked so good!
Many diets also require constant calculations to determine calorie counts. All this clogs up the brain. Psychologists measure the impact of this clogging on various tasks: logical and spatial reasoning, self-control, problem solving, and absorption and retention of new information. Together these tasks measure “bandwidth,” the resource that underlies all higher-order mental activity. Inevitably, dieters do worse than nondieters on all these tasks; they have less bandwidth.
One particularly clever study went further. It tested how dieters and nondieters reacted to eating a chocolate bar. Even though the bar provided calories, eating it widened the bandwidth gap between dieters and nondieters. Nondieters ate and moved on, but dieters started wondering how to make up for the calories they had just ingested or, even more fundamentally, pondered, “Why did I eat the bar?”
In other words, diets do not just strain bandwidth because they leave us hungry. They have psychological, not just physiological, effects.
The basic insight extends well beyond the experience of calorie counting. Something similar happens whenever we make do with less, as when we feel that we have too little time, or too little money. Just as the cookie tugs at the dieter, a looming deadline preoccupies a busy person, and the prospect of a painful rent payment shatters the peace of the poor. Just as dieters constantly track food, the hyper-busy track each minute and the poor track each dollar.
As Prof. Eldar Shafir at Princeton University and I argue in our new book, “Scarcity: Why Having Too Little Means So Much” (Times Books), a similar psychology of scarcity operates across these examples but with varying degrees of force. If a cookie can tax our mental resources, imagine how much more psychological impact other forms of scarcity can have.
Take the case of poverty. In a paper published last month in Science, with Profs. Anandi Mani at the University of Warwick and Jiaying Zhao at the University of British Columbia, Professor Shafir and I waded into politically charged territory. Some people argue that the poor make terrible choices and do so because they are inherently less capable. But our analysis of scarcity suggests a different perspective: perhaps the poor are just as capable as everyone else. Perhaps the problem is not poor people but the mental strain that poverty imposes on anyone who must endure it.
One of our studies focused on Indian sugar cane farmers, who typically feel themselves to be both poor and rich, depending on the season. They are paid once a year at harvest time. When the crop is sold, they are flush with cash. But the money runs out quickly, and by the time the next harvest arrives they are stretched thin: they are, for example, 20 times as likely to pawn an item before harvest as after it. Rather than compare poor and rich farmers, we compare each farmer to himself: when he is rich against when he is poor. This kind of comparison is important because it addresses valid concerns that differences in psychological tests merely reflect differences in culture or test familiarity.
We measured farmers’ mental function — on what psychologists call fluid intelligence and executive control — one month before and one month after harvest. And the effects were large: preharvest I.Q., for example, was lower by about nine to 10 points, which in a common descriptive classification is the distance between “average” and “superior” intelligence. To put that in perspective, a full night without sleep has a similar effect on I.Q.
Bandwidth scarcity has far-reaching consequences, whether we are talking about poor farmers or affluent dieters. We all use bandwidth to make decisions at work, to resist the urge to yell at our children when they annoy us, or even to focus on a conversation during dinner or in a meeting. The diversity of these behaviors — combined with the size of the measurable effects — suggests a very different way to interpret the choices and behaviors of the poor. Just picture how distracting that cookie was, and multiply that experience by a factor of 10.
For dieters, bandwidth scarcity has one particularly important consequence, illustrated in one study that gave people a choice between fruit salad and cake. Before choosing, half of the subjects had their bandwidth taxed: they were asked to remember a seven-digit number. The other half had a mentally less-demanding task: they were asked to remember a two-digit number. Those with less available bandwidth ate more cake: they were 50 percent more likely to choose cake than the others. There is a paradox here: diets create mental conditions that make it hard to diet.
This may sound defeatist. But there are positive lessons for how to manage the different kinds of scarcity.
THE United States government, laudably, offers financial aid for low-income students to attend college. Qualifying for it, though, requires completing a densely packed 10-page booklet, mentally taxing for anyone. A one-page version would not only be simpler but it would also recognize that the poor are short on bandwidth as well as cash.
The same tactic — economizing on bandwidth — can be used in dieting. Take the Atkins diet, which effectively bans many foods, including bread and a lot of desserts. A ban is less complex than the trade-offs and calorie accounting required by many other diets. While all diets require self-control, Atkins requires less thinking. This might explain its popularity, and even its effectiveness: a recent study shows that people persist longer with diets that require less thought.
The same study had another interesting finding: it was the perceived complexity of a diet — not its actual complexity — that determined persistence.
So keep this in mind the next time you’re picking a diet to shed a few pounds. Try one that won’t also shed a few I.Q. points.
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And now - for the next who knows/or cares how long we have Senator Cruz with his FAKE filibuster - someone in another place wants to send Obama to Canada we'll take him and we're going to send you Stephen Harper and you're actually getting a bonus you already have Cruz!
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