Is it crazy to do this drive?
I didn't need chemo, thankfully. I'm in occupational therapy for scarring and fibrosis from the lumpectomy. Next is rads. I got a 2nd opinion at a breast care center at a top rated hospital and wound up switching to that medical oncologist. (The local one is also know as dr death - can you blame me for switching?!). I liked the rad onc here, but the whole "package" here makes me very nervous. I also decided to get a 2nd opinion at the bc center. It sounds like the treatment will be pretty much the same... Although I may be able to be prone at the bc center and avoid more lung - not sure yet.
I'm considering switching the rads to there also. Ours is in a cancer center, no breast specialty. Care would probably be fine, but since its local, I unfortunately know too many that have died here from cancer. I do know that can and does happen everywhere, but it's on my mind - and the only patient i know who treated at this other hospital also had breast cancer and is doing very well. The top rated hospital also has a wonderful caring program and they make a big effort to treat the whole person. It just felt like the next level there. Their website also boasts a higher than the national average survival rate.
So I have a choice to make. It seems like a no brainer to go to the top rated hospital, right? The only problem is that our hospital is 5 mins away, and this wonderful hospital is 1-1/4 hours away. It's a fairly easy drive, but that's 5 days a week, 6 weeks. I do have friends that have said they'd take the trip with me, though I also expect to do a lot of it on my own. They did say they would have a safe place for my son if I had to bring him, which locally they don't. May not even be an issue. It's funny that most of my friends and family think I should make the trip. The rad onc thinks treatment would probably be the same here, although she'd be happy to take me on as a patient. I know the rad onc here is good... But he doesn't specialize. I just don't know what to do. I know what I want to do, but I'm afraid Its just crazy. Sometimes I picture getting treatment here - and I associate panic with it. There - well I'm still scared, but more confident.
Help me make a final decision! Am I crazy??
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I travel to a cancer center that is an hour away; my MO, my BS, my PS, and my clinical trial are all there. For my rads, I chose someplace closer. I would have been too tired and burned out to travel that far for my six weeks of rads. Good luck with your decision.
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SophiaMarie,
Have you considered seeing the Dr's at the breast care center and having the rads locally? The Dr.'s would be giving all of the orders, but you would only have to make the longer trip when you need to see one of the Dr's.
Best Wishes
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I'm afraid it might be more of a mental thing. When I went into our cancer center, it felt very low budget. (Not that that necessarily means bad, but it doesn't "feel" good) Plus I constantly hear negative comments about our hospital system. When I recently told someone I was considering driving, she totally agreed - and told me of another friend who refuses to go here for cancer treatment. And I know of someone who had her heart messed up here from rads - and I visited her when she was dying. So that's what's effecting my confidence here. I know this other hospital has a good reputation, and that friend that was treated there said she felt like they wrapped you in a warm blanket when she walked in. So part of me thinks I should just be practical and suck it up and go here, and part of me says it wants to be taken care of and nurtured there. I also just feel more confidence there. This has become my most difficult decision. I've been trying to reason that some people drive that far for work every day and that it would only be for 6 weeks... And then I swing back the other way and feel foolish for considering it. It never gets to where I actually WANT to go here, it's just between whether its wise or silly to go there.
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If there is one thing I have learned on my life journey, it's to listen to what my gut is telling me
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Do what is going to give you peace of mind for the future. I think many of us second guess decisions that we have made along the way, as we are forced to make so many decisions so very quickly. Six weeks is a short length of time, versus wishing forever that you had made another choice.
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I just want to make sure my gut isn't being overly emotional and is being led by good reason! I do appreciate the comment about 6 wks vs wishing I had made another choice. I appreciate your words in helping me make this overwhelming decision!
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I'm confused. You have multiple sources saying the local hospital is not very good, and there's a top-rated cancer center an hour away? I'm definitely in the camp of driving for the right doctors. In fact, having grown up in a small town (where we had to drive 1/2 hour to do anything) I'm grateful that I have access to great care that's within driving distance. Some people fly to other states. In HI some patients move from Kauai to Oahu for cancer Tx. It's your decision but just an FYI on the range of patient experiences.
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Funny, I had a friend just call. She asked me if my son or husband had cancer, where would I want them to be treated - of course I'd want them to be at a top-rated center - so why would I want any less for myself? And she also brought up my peace down the road, after rads were done - would I feel more settled/less anxious after being treated here - or there? And that 6 weeks is not really that long.
I still don't look forward to the daily drive, but I'm pretty sure now what I need to do. Thanks so much for taking the time to post! -
I’ve been thinking about this more. It reminded me that I’d had a freak-out in the days before I started rads. (in my case, I was having “buyer’s remorse” about the lumpectomy. Should I have had a Mx instead??? Arg) I can joke now but I was really stressed-out and finally called the cancer support center, who put me in touch with a counselor and she helped a lot. (do you have that option? Our center provided three free sessions) She recommended writing in a journal. One option is to write a list of the pros and cons of the two centers. Or just write your concerns, no matter how small. Seeing them on paper can help you relax a bit and settle your mind.
I’ve been wondering if there is any objective information to help you decide. (when my FIL was choosing a surgeon for open-heart surgery, we were able to find data on surgeons: experience level, frequency of doing that procedure, and outcomes.) Sloan-Kettering says there is a database that lists outcomes.
http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/hospital-information/survival-outcomes
I did a google search and found articles that said that large top-rated cancer centers had better outcomes than local ones (the articles said it can be hard to choose between the top-rated centers; not your concern). Sometimes the difference isn’t huge but it is consistent; no article said the local community hospitals did the same or better.
I think the quality of the rads technician (and equipment) does matter, and my understanding that the doctors set the tone and level of professionalism. Like most aspects of medicine there is some level of judgment when doing rads. When I had my “simulation,” the RO came in a couple times, reviewed the images and made changes. The goal was to get good coverage but reduce the exposure to my rib cage. So I think it’s important to get a well-qualified RO who works with good technicians. I don’t want to freak you out, but there was a front-page story in the news 5-10 years ago that one cancer center hadn’t calibrated their equipment right, so there is always the question of human error. (my DH grilled the RO on their calibration procedure and training of their rad techs. The RO took these questions seriously).
If you choose the center an hour away, maybe you can ask a few friends to help drive, especially the last two weeks, when you may feel fatigue. When people ask, “What can I do to help?” you could ask if they’d be willing to drive you, maybe just once. (get a few people lined up.). It might be hard for them to take a ½ day off from work, but you never know if you don’t ask. They might want to help (or…want an excuse to miss work.
Also, it sounds like you have a few questions about the procedures offered at the top-rated center. So maybe the decision right now is whether to go back for another appointment to get those questions answered. Having that info (and another visit and another chance to drive) might help you decide.
FWIW, when I spoke to that counselor I initially had concerns about rads, but as we talked a lot of other concerns surfaced about my BC Dx and Tx. (I guess they were bottled up). The counselor said it’s not uncommon for patients to have a lot of anxiety before taking the next step in Tx or even when ending Tx. Each transition point can be a challenge. She said the goal in making a good decision in the face of uncertainty, is to be comfortable no matter what the outcome. So in this case, there are four possible outcomes: 1) you’re treated locally and are fine, both short- and long-term; 2) you’re treated locally and have complications (either short- or long-term). 3 & 4 are those outcomes at the top-rated place. Maybe ask yourself, how would you feel in each of these scenarios? I know decision making can be hard and no one can you what’s the right. But trust that whatever you decide with be the right answer for you. (((hugs)))
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If you trust him/her, ask your doctor where he/she would go if he/she were in your shoes. When I started treatment, I had a choice of sticking with my clinic's oncology program or switching to an out-of-network 'cancer center'. My GP, whom I trust totally, said he would be happy to write the orders to go to the center, but that my outcome would be equally as good (with more a more personal touch) if I stayed where I was. So, I did, and it turned out to absolutely be the right choice for me.
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Thank you thank you thank you for your comments! I really should actually write things down - a mental list is not as good. I think my concerns are the drive, the fact that the good hospital ro thinks it would be ok here, the dr here is decent - but that I have a stigma about treatment here... If it did come back after treatment here I know I would be angry at this hospital system, and angry at myself. If it came back after treatment there, I know I wouldn't feel like it would've been better here - I would just feel bad that it came back. Maybe it would help if I could talk with the bc center ro again - I'd like her to admit (if this is why) that its just because if her concern for my drive that she isn't "selling" their program. Maybe I should tell her that I fear a system with only one mo who people call Dr Death...
The ro there did say she was putting in an order for me to talk to a counselor there - I'm thinking I may get a call on Monday. It is good to hear about the anxiety associated with each step of treatment. Maybe because its reassuring to know I'm at least somewhat normal!. I know I will be freaking out all over again when I have to start taking that little pill - worried about what side effects I'll experience. -
I had a realization this afternoon... Several times now, I've "made the decision" to drive to the breast cancer center. Then within hours I'm questioning myself - not that I'm comfortable with doing treatments here, but I pull back. It finally dawned on me why. I'm scared. If I make a decision, then I make the appt - and the rollercoaster jerks forward. If I stay undecided, then that's "safer". You know, when this all started, I feared chemo, but rads didn't bother me terribly. So great, I didnt need chemo. So I started reading about rads - about time my breast started shrinking and deforming after surgery. And I realized how much worse it could likely get, and all the other awful things that it will do. I tried to console myself with the thought of reconstruction, so I read about that. Hmmmmm... IF my breast recovers well there might be something they can do, maybe. But it isn't comforting when I consider how my body recovered from the surgery that wasn't supposed to change it much - according to my surgeon. Oh sure, I could have a reduction on the other side - but I LIKE my size! Well, I like the size of the good breast anyway. If this was all for a simple facelift or even a tummy tuck, I could be excited. Oh, but it will kill the cancer? Will it? Maybe some cells. But as the mo said, they are likely swimming around in my body. So after all this, still no guarantees - even after that daily pill. I feel so blindsided by the direction my life has taken.
Ok, so if any wonderful words of wisdom come to your minds that could help me be positive about these rads - please do share. I'm in need of them. Help me get to where I can make that phone call tomorrow! Please. -
Sophia we are in the same situation. I have an appointment Tues with a RO 30 miutes from home. I met on Friday with an RO 1 hour from home. The center 1 hour from home has the most up to date equipment, in fact she is trying to get approval to use the newest one on me. I would be able to do 5 weeks with no scar boosts with it. I don't know if the same can be done at the center closer to me.
I would make those appointments and see what is available and how you feel about your treatment at each center. I was very impressed with the center on Friday. The staff was very nice, organized, informative and ready to answer every question I had. The center I visit on Tuesday even though closer to me will have a big challenge impressing me. I will drive to the one I feel the most comfortable with. I will bite the bullet.
I challenge you to start before me. You need to get a move on.
Good luck in choosing the best course for yourself.
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Well, If I can get a grip and confirm things on Monday, the ro said I could come on thurs for the set up visit - then I would start on Oct 3rd.
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SophiaMarie - I drove myself an hour and half to radiation every day for six weeks last fall. It was very doable. I arranged to have my session at 11:30 am so I would have plenty of time to get there without rushing out of the house each morning. Nearer the end I was getting a bit tired so I would take my sweet time going home. I'd stop for lunch, stop to poke around stores, take a scenic route and look at towns and villages I hadn't been to before. It was a lovely "me" time.
I highly recommend making the choice to go to the better hospital. I did.
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It sounds as though you have made your decision; your real concern is how the heck you're going to manage the drive. Yes, it'll be a pain, but, really, if it's the right center for you, you'll manage. Go right ahead and pack an overnight bag, just in case there comes a day when you really, really want to skip a round trip. Also check whether the hospital, or maybe the area, offers neat programs that you might even want to schedule an occasional overnight to attend. One of the ladies on another thread lined up a whole bunch of drivers and had a ball chatting with a different volunteer just about every day.
Oh, and about your postsurgical shrinking--a lymphedema therapist can sometimes do wonders when it comes to releasing bound down scar tissue.
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I can't thank you all enough for your comments. I go up and down emotionally with this whole journey - and I feel especially down right now. I keep thinking too, that if it comes back, or if I wind up having any reconstruction, that it would be nice to have more connections to this hospital.
I had been seeing an occupational therapist - she did soften the scarring some, but it's far from acceptable. She was wonderful though - she actually had me referred to her old boss that went independent since she felt that this woman has "magic hands" for scars. I only have 2 more visits available for this other therapist (who i will see on Tues) before we have to beg the insurance for more. I'm really hoping she can help - there's not much time left before rads start.
Very practical comments. I am looking forward to some me time... Time for thinking and mentally organizing my life again. Time for listening to some books on tape. And time to let some friends help too.
I still don't want to make the phone call tomorrow, but your comments have helped me feel a bit more comfortable with it. -
Ok I made the phone call. We had talked about doing pre work on the 23rd and beginning rads on oct 10th - then she thought she might be able to do the 19th and start on oct 3rd which she said would be better to start sooner. But now I could only get in on the 23rd so I will have a later start date. That will be about 9 weeks fom surgery. I hope that's not too long!! Just something else to be nervous about.
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Glad you made the call! Lots of us start a little later than we'd hoped just because the decision making process with this disease is so blinking complicated. Others delay because of scheduling issues. Others need to wait for their incisions to heal or an infection to clear. Your decision making took exactly the time it needed, so, from that point of view, you're right on time.
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Thanks Brookside. You know, I was oddly looking forward to surgery - getting it out felt good. Not that I wasn't scared and nervous. (Just read my initial posts - lol!) But this is hitting me in a totally different way. Even the fact that I its on the 23rd instead of the 19th - I was taking my son on a school field trip and have a fun family day the rest of that afternoon - that that had to be cancelled because of the rad appt made be break down in tears. I just feel so much more vulnerable at his point.
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Me too! Just could not wait for surgery. I dreaded radiation and tried very hard to convince myself that as my margins were clear and my mitosis rate was in the lowest category, it wouldn't be all that effective for me. Of course, you can't ignore statistics, so I didn't. Now I'm extremely glad I "did" rads, even gladder that it's in the past, and gladder still that arimidex is starving any leftover cells.
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Brookside - did you see much change in your breast after rads? I know everyone is different... And the ro told me that even though the surgery caused a ton of fibrosis for me, the rads might not. Or they might. It's a wait and see thing.
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Little change. There was some swelling, which has since disappeared, scar tissue formation, which nicely replaced most of the bulk I'd lost from surgery, and the scars got a tiny bit indented, but still look fine. I'm told my skin is thicker, but I can't tell.
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Wow- good for you! I've read too many posts where the breast had shrunk 2 cup sizes - that's what terrifies me. I was always a small cup until after I had my son 9 years ago - not that I'm huge now, but I finally have a little something and i really do t want to lose it now. Its good to hear that it isn't always that way!
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Ok, I really need some reassurance. It now looks like I won't be starting rads until 9 1/2 weeks after surgery. From what I've been reading, this is beyond the recommended start time and could increase the risk of recurrence. Really? Not that I can do anything about it at this point, but it makes me nervous.
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