I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited September 2013

    My town always has a memorial service for the victims of 9/11 at the cenotaph on our main street, and many of the Americans who were on holiday in town on that fateful day still come over here to attend it.

    .....I was living in Toronto and attending a meeting at one of our major banks.  The Vice-Chairman of the bank was chairing the meeting.  Fifteen minutes before the meeting was to end at 9 a.m., he was called out of the room.  I heard the dreadful news in a taxi going back to the office.  It is STILL so very, very hard to believe.  A little boy was born to an acquaintance of mine just a few months after his dad died while attending a meeting at Cantor Fitzgerald.  He has never had the wonderful pleasure of knowing his own father......just only one of so many sad, sad stories.  

    I'm sure that all of us here know exactly where we were, and how we felt, 12 years ago.  We'll all be remembering, tomorrow morning.....

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Some sobering thoughts but what you can expect from Boehner who is bound to do something and then step in it neck deep:

    Don’t Be Fooled

    Sep 10, 2013 | By CAP Action War Room

    Republicans Try to Force Even More Budget Cuts

    The government will shut down in 20 days – just nine congressional work days — unless Congress passes a bill to keep funding it. And while most of the media focus has been on the GOP’s unceasing effort to defund, delay, and undermine Obamacare, Speaker Boehner (R-OH) is plotting another, more hidden plan to lock in damaging and unnecessary austerity for the rest of the year and possibly into 2014.

    Boehner has promised that to avoid a government shutdown, he will ask the House to pass a “clean” short-term budget resolution, simply extending current spending levels while a longer-term deal is worked out. That may sound reasonable, but hidden behind Boehner’s deceptive claims are some pretty dirty truths.

    First of all, current spending levels are already painfully and unnecessarily low, but Boehner’s plan would go even further and lock in another round of deep cuts to domestic spending.

    But it doesn’t stop there. Boehner’s plan actually increases defense spending by $20 BILLION compared to the sequester, while leaving spending on non-defense discretionary programs at unacceptably low levels.

    You don’t have to take our word for it. Here’s Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) crowing about the cuts they are trying to force on Democrats and the president:

    “In signing a CR at sequester levels,” Cantor wrote, “the president would be endorsing a level of spending that wipes away all the increases he and congressional Democrats made while they were in charge and returns us to a pre-2008 level of discretionary spending.”

    Wait, there’s more! On top of all of this, House Republican leaders have devised a convoluted scheme to try and trick rank-and-file Republicans into not shutting down the government over Obamacare while still being able to somehow claim they defunded the law. This “smoke and mirrors” plan is already being derided by the Tea Party and recent polling found that just 6 percent of voters think delaying and defunding Obamacare is the right path forward.

    (This final scheme comes on top of a separate GOP demand issued today that Democrats either agree to delay Obamacare for a year or Republicans will refuse to increase the debt ceiling, thus creating a world economic calamity.)

    BOTTOM LINE: Republicans have scheduled just 9 days of work in September and aren’t even planning on being here the week before funding for the government runs out. Passing a partisan spending plan with only GOP votes is just another waste of time that makes it more likely that the government will shut down because of GOP intransigence, demands for damaging austerity, or both.

    For a detailed brief from the Center for American Progress on how all of this adds up — or doesn’t — click HERE.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited September 2013

    OMG, I'm watching the Food channel and my Oxycodone high has kicked in just as they tell me all about something called Bacon Jam!



    Bacon, onions, brown sugar, coffee, and some other stuff cooked down and food processed into this amazing looking bacon spread..........and I want it, I want it.



    English muffin, nice fried egg, and bacon jam!!! That would be so yummy.



    Ok I need to repress my munchies. Good thing I don't live in a medical MJ. State.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited September 2013

    Missouri Republicans are officially bat-shit crazy:

    (From CNN)

    MISSOURI GUN BILL

    The 'shoot me' state: That's what critics are calling Missouri, where the state legislature's trying to accomplish something that's never been done: pass a law that will not only let residents own a machine gun, but also arrest federal agents if they try to take it away.

    What's more, the bill would make it illegal for anyone to publish identifying information about a gun owner.

    The legislation already passed once through the Republican-led House and Senate, only to be vetoed by Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon. He said there's this thing in the U.S. Constitution called the Supremacy Clause. You can't have state laws supersede federal laws.

    Lawmakers insist what they're proposing is not only constitutional, but essential to protect the rights of gun owners. And today, the legislature votes to override the veto.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2013

    E, wow, just wow! I lived in St. Louis for 11 years and MO was nowhere it's current level of insanity. 

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2013

    *sigh* Their lawyers are wrong. They are wrong, stupid (yes, dammit, I called them stupid) and bat-shit crazy. There is absolutely NO -- repeat NO -- ambiguity about the Supremacy Clause, which is Article VI, Clause 2:



    "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."



    To declare that Federal laws don't apply in a state is known as "nullification." We see how well that worked for the South in the mid-1800s.



    It is not unconstitutional to regulate firearms, just as it is not unconstitutional to regulate medication, food, or health and safety standards. And really - I would love, love, LOVE to see a local Barney Fife try to arrest an ATF agent performing his lawful duties.



    And still the regressives bitch about "waste, fraud and abuse" in government, and government spending their money. WTH do they think THIS is? The MO legislature wasting time and money continuing to pass laws that are unconstitutional and will get the state sued. Let's take a look at the money that they are wasting. I don't have figures, so I will use categories ... Utilities for the Capitol. Time and Salaries of the legislature and all its employees. Gas for official vehicles (the Capitol police and groundskeepers, for example). The paper and reproduction costs associated with producing legislation. All the office supplies used. The extra (crazy) lawyers they had to hire to get someone to say this was legal. The time the legislators wasted bragging about this to the press (on the taxpayers' dime). The Governor's time and salary, and the time and salaries of all the OTHER state government employees who had to handle this insanity. THEIR official vehicles. And the time and salaries and lawyers' fees of everyone who will get sued into oblivion by the Federal government. And then there is the waste of time for the Feds who have to deal with this childish tantrum. Salaries, gas, utilities, rent on office space, etc. And the time that the U.S. Attorney, AUSAs and their staffs could be using to deal with criminals like drug dealers, money launderers, child pornographers, bank robbers and the like. Where are the shrieks of outrage from the so-called fiscally responsible regressives for wasting their money on completely useless posturing and weenie-wagging?



    GAH. I'm going to the gym and stomp around the track for an hour to work off aggression.



  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    Almost forgot why I came here!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013
  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2013

    Blue, words to live by! 

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited September 2013
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    Sunny, here we go!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited September 2013

    Hahaha!  Methinks the kitten was only yawning!  I have a photo of Toffee doing the same thing while cuddling up with a sleeping Abby.  Makes me LOL every time I look at it!

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2013
  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited September 2013

    Love the squirrel, Yorkie!!  :)

  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited September 2013

    Thanks for the love ladies. Kiss

    I love that quote, bluedahlia.

    You don't have to go to the gym to work out the aggression, RetiredLibby. Just fire 100 or so rounds from a machine gun in Missouri. And if you accidentally kill a kid on purpose, you can get off, get your gun back, and attempt to kill your spouse.

    I love that squirrel meme, yorkiemom. Laughing

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited September 2013

    Blue ... love, love, love that scooter!  Reminds me of our scooter gang!

    hugs,

    Bren

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited September 2013

    Missouri....just across the river and about 1&1/2 hrs. from my home.  The state where my dad was born and raised, in Joplin.  What a HUGE disgrace and I think Dad would even say so.....being the rather staunch Republican he was.....but then he was a Republican back when they had some sense and reason going for them.   I still have a little hope....but I guess you really are hoping for too much from the state that spawned Todd Akin was it??

    Tch.Tch.

    Jackie

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited September 2013

    Don't give up hope.  It may have spawned Todd Akin - but it also didn't elect him to the Senate, right?

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2013

    When I lived there Mel Carnahan was governor. When running for the Senate he was "accidentally" killed in private plane crash (yeah I'm a conspiracy theorist here, and also about Welstone). Mel's wife Jean was elected to the Senate after that. I thought she was a great Senator, but she didn't get re-elected. Everything has gone down, down, down since then in that state. 

  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited September 2013

    Interesting ties to Missouri. I have a rental in St. Louis that I hope to visit it early next year.  And Todd Akin - that was one scary dude. "Legitimate rape." Thank God his true colors showed, and he wasn't elected.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited September 2013

    I was reading an article on TPM about the GOP's newest plan to defund Obamacare.  This was one of the comments made by "Duncan" which I thought was well worth repeating here:




    I wonder if the GOP realizes how personal this is for so many of us, who had comfortable middle-class lives until the recession hit. We all took different routes to get to the land of the uninsured, and many of us did everything right - went to college, graduate school, worked in a career for a couple of decades, raised our families with houses and health insurance and then, through whatever circumstances, lost everything. We were told we were losers and takers when we collected unemployment, into which we had paid all our working lives. We were told we were takers and losers when we insured our kids through the CHIP or similar program. We learned that poor people are treated like children and criminals. We learned to live with toothaches and hoped they went away, so we didn't end up with a bill we couldn't pay. We lived with mysterious pains and sensations that occur when you enter mid-life, and hoped that each one wasn't "the one" that might take you before you were fully back on your feet.

    We understood that our children were watching how we reacted to a crisis in life that we never had to watch our parents endure. We understood that however difficult it was, we had to react as cheerfully as possible, retain as much normalcy as possible, and set an example that when life throws you down, you dust yourself off and get back up.

    We acted like adults, like Americans, and all the while the Republicans were there, demonizing us, claiming we were the problem, jeering at us, while they transferred wealth to international interests and hedge fund managers that don't give a tinker's damn about the United States or the living, breathing and feeling human beings who live here. And while they had the unmitigated gall to claim that some god was on their side. And we saw the hordes of morons, so poorly raised and betrayed by our under-funded public education that they can't even see their own broad, screaming interests when face to face with them.

    And now many of us can see health insurance within our grasp. We can see it - still private, unfortunately, but the chance is there to have one major aspect of our lives made slightly less stressful. If something terrible happens, we can see a doctor or go to the hospital and not have everything worse by the mounting bills and denied treatment. We can get our kids' asthma medications. Maybe get more work done by having some dental work. We don't have to lose everything if appendicitis hits. And for those of us in families where cancer is a common cause of death, we would know we had a chance.

    There isn't even a big loser in the private sector - the insurance companies will have more customers and 40 million new insureds will surely require more employees in the insurance and health care industries. Premiums are already dropping. I suppose the biggest industry opposed to this must be the owners of collection agencies.

    I cannot even understand the mentality of an elected representative for whom all of this means nothing. Zero. No concern, no compassion, not even a second thought for fellow Americans who lack insurance, because we must somehow be lesser than them, and not worthy. In all of this, there is something so evil to them, so heinous, so anti-American that they will make it a national focus, over and over and over again, fighting to take it away, to the point of being willing to collapse the American and international economies just to do so.

    I've never seen anything so un-Christian and despicable in my entire life. I don't regard anyone who fights against this as a decent human being.

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    Their behaviour, only if successful, would have long-ranging and world-wide effects.  Are they dumb enough not to realize this?  Or is that all part of their plan?Surprised





  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2013

    GGG, where in St. Louis is your rental? We lived in the Creve Coeur area.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    Just a couple of definitions for those in the know!

    Cynical

    1.  distrusting or disparaging the motives of others; like or characteristic of a cynic.

    2.  showing contempt for accepted standards of honesty or morality by one's actions,   especially by actions that exploit the scruples of others.

    3.  bitterly or sneeringly distrustful, contemptuous, or pessimistic.

     

    Paranoia

     


    1. A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason.

    2. Extreme, irrational distrust of others.

     

    and finally;

     

    IDJUTS

     

    1.  Plural form of idjut

  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited September 2013

    OMG crazy4carrots. That person's comment was awesome.

    yorkiemom - The Old North neighborhood - where Crown Candy Kitchen is located. I know - "North of Delmar" is rough, but there is a serious revitalization effort in that neighborhood. I knew I had to be a part of that. Smile

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2013

    oops........forgot one!

    Faux News
    Snarky term for the Fox News Network. Refers to the network's pathological willingness to distort the truth and general dressing up of right-wing commentary as unbiased news. (EliWho)
  • GlobalGirlyGirl
    GlobalGirlyGirl Member Posts: 269
    edited September 2013

    I like "IDJUTS."Laughing

    Ah Faux News. The reason why I prefer Al Jazeera English. When I admit that, though, some on the Right question my being 'Murican enough. Tongue Out

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