Starting Chemo June 2013!?!?!

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  • TwinMamaHeather
    TwinMamaHeather Member Posts: 141
    edited August 2013

    KatiAK ~ Thanks for your response. I was wondering if you had moved onto the Taxol b/c I have heard that Taxol is hard on the ol' liver as well. I am not on Taxol, but one of it's "kinder" cousins, and there is actually a slightly HIGHER risk of increased liver enzymes with it, but I still worry. Your response made me feel better though. It's nice to hear that another Onc shares the same train of thought as mine does.

    I hope the rain stops for the state fair! Have fun.

  • kmurphy
    kmurphy Member Posts: 55
    edited August 2013

    dlm,

    where is islip?  I'm originally from western new york so I was just curious.  I think it would be great for you to meet your brother's neighbor.  It's very uplifting to hear about the triumphs of others who have and are going through it.  Gives you a little boost to keep going because you will make it just as she is!!!

  • kmurphy
    kmurphy Member Posts: 55
    edited August 2013

    Ocean, about the chemo brain.....................................................................................oops, caught myself dazing out the window.....that would probably be the thing I notice most.  

    Just had first Taxol.  Will be taking the Clariton because of the Nuelasta shot anyway.  I told Onc Vicadin doesn't do alot for me so she gave me a script for Ultram I think it's called.  Does anyone else use this and find it better that Vicadin?

    I honestly don't understand why people would get addicted to V's.

  • Alibeths
    Alibeths Member Posts: 656
    edited August 2013

    i had a lumpectomy first, bc i wanted to start chemo and i dint wanna jump into a mastectomy.  i also found out i have the gene, so my mind is made up!!

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited August 2013

    Today I went to visit a doc who assists cancer patients with side effects of cancer treatments and she mentioned several trials I should get involved in, different diet and sleep protocols, and memory loss recovery. One of the most alarming side effects to me is chemo brain and the fact I may not go back to normal cognitive function when I'm done with treatment. The scarier thing is that hormone treatments can cause permanent memory loss, depleted cognitive function and they want us taking that crap for 5-10 years?? I can't live in a fog like that. One of the trials she mentioned was taking Metformin during chemo so that it kills the cancer stem cells at the same time that chemo is attacking it in other ways. I've contacted my normal doc to see of she'll write a script since she suggested it before my bc dx anyway. Is anyone here on that trial?? I'm on round 3 of AC so I won't get the full effect, but hopefully will still benefit from my last round and the 12 rounds of taxol. I've decided to forego the hormone treatment because the SE's are too harsh. I am getting a total hysterectomy after rads anyway. Diet and exercise plus supplementation will take care of the rest. Rapid thought process requires estrogen to function so a little can't be so bad. Cancer sucks, but I want quality of life as well so I'm trying to strike a balance. Some of these treatments have such wicked SE's that it doesn't seem worth it for a 2% less chance of recurrence. The math isn't adding up for me. Anyone else opting for other treatment options?

  • raindeer1217
    raindeer1217 Member Posts: 90
    edited August 2013

    Taxol 2 down. So far. So good. Slow morning, going to work 30 minutes late ( hey I might even leave early too !!)



    Yep chemo brain too Ocean which is tuff cause I write legal documents all day, run way slower then usual.



    Do dumb things like put the creamer in the cuboard and cerial in the refrigerator.



    Found out yesterday that I will be doing hormone threaphy after all this, I knew it all along but talking about it just made me realize this cancer shit has ahold and it will be a lifestyle for a while. Not liking the side effects listed for hormone. Wondering if anyone opts to not take them?



  • dlm425
    dlm425 Member Posts: 209
    edited August 2013

    Well first Islip is the center of long island -NY - k Murphy and I too have been looking into western medicine. I heard tamoxifen is a tough drug. But many woman take it with little side effects. Dvygrl if it deplets the cells of estrogen and progesterone id rethink it only because we have already put our bodies through poison so lets continue to stride for long healthy life after treatments. I also feel no one knows their own body better then yourself. I only did 3 AC Bc I was so sick..in bed coulldnt pick up my head for 6 days and so sick for 12...Called onc and he agreed sometimes 2 or 3 is enough. When will they figure out how to treat an Individual and not the disease. I just don't get it......Taxol is no walk in the park. But with 2 left ill get to the light at the end of the tunnel and they its time to make lots of changes to my Life.. Diet exercise and eating right even though I always eat right....off to work!!! Have a feel good weekend!!!xoxoxo

  • Netter
    Netter Member Posts: 107
    edited August 2013

    I had decided not to take the pill because of the SE's.  Went to my rad consultation yesterday................found out I have 3 different types of cancer, highly unusual, lobular, ductal and situ.  Also EP+ and TN?????  I have to get a PET scan to see if chemo got all of the cancer as 1 of my cancers is very invasive.  Needless to say, my hubby and I were in a little bit of a shock!  Hope there is no other cancer and can start rads Sept 5.  Will radiate my whole breast for 38 rounds.  I am getting the full meal deal.  Has anyone heard of 3 cancers before?  So I may have to rethink the pill..........would like to not have to take it!!!!!

  • Pattysmiles
    Pattysmiles Member Posts: 954
    edited August 2013

    Netter,

    The in situ, I believe , would be one of those two cancers you mentioned.

    I was first diagnosed LCIS (lobular carcinoma in situ)--- the in situ means hasn't left the lobules....when they did a second biopsy they found an area where it was now deemed ILC (invasive lobular carcinoma)...because it was no longer in situ in that particular area, it was now in the lobules.



    Same would be said for DCIS (ductal carcinoma in situ). Means the cancer is in the ducts.

    When it is IDC (invasive lobular carcinoma) it has broken out of in situ and spread.



    So I am not upon how many cancers you would be declared to have....and I am not questioning, just explaining what I learned..I never thought of my two LCIS and ILC as different cancers...I sort of thought it was a "progression"...going from in situ to being in the surrounding tissue.



    I do not know what protocol you would be offered. I believe the Tamoxifen is for people who are estrogen positive as it suppresses estrogen.

    There is a TN (triple negative) thread on the board that might have more answers as far as treatment after chemo.



    Pat

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited August 2013

    Netters,

    I have all 3 as well. I'm 43 and stage IIIa. Had a clean mammo at 40. Go figure. My first tumor was 6cm IDC with DCIS and my 2nd tumor was 2cm LCIS. Basically it just delineates where the cancer cells were found. I am doing chemo and rads, but have decided against hormone therapy. The SE's are worse than the small amount of help it provides in my opinion. We all have choices here so I'm opting for total hyster and diet / exercise / supplementation. Let us know how that scan goes.

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited August 2013

    Just realized you are triple negative. Tamoxifen isn't going to do anything to help as your receptors don't respond to estrogen or progesterone. I'd check out the triple neg board on here and see what the standard treatment is...

  • OceanWarrior
    OceanWarrior Member Posts: 96
    edited August 2013

    Hi Everyone,

    As we get further along there is more to think about - now its the radiation just around the corner and hormone therapy.  Not sure I want either.  

    Netter - 3 types of cancer, not the news you want to hear.  Sending positive energy your way for a good result from the PET scan.

    Dyvgrl - I'm not involved in any official trials however the way the tweak and change and add meds it sure feels like it. 

    Looking forward to the weekend.  Should be feeling good and it is just me and hubby.  I like that.  Would be so very nice if I could get some romance feelings going.  This has been sadly lacking in me during this whole time.  Need my mojo back.  

  • Alibeths
    Alibeths Member Posts: 656
    edited August 2013

    Anyone who already has their mastectomy choose to keep their nipples?? My bs says its fine, but I'm nervous. Thanks for any info!!

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited August 2013

    Ocean-

    I feel ya. Sometimes just being together and touching and having no expectations can get things rolling. I don't feel much until we put effort into it - then the hormones tend to kick in. Just put some effort into it - you'll be surprised at how your body will wake up!

    Wanted to let everyone know I was bold and walked around the mall with my bald head glaring at everyone. Got alot of stares, especially in the Michael Kors store lol. It was upsetting at first, I felt self conscious. I said something to my 11 year old, and she says - Who cares mom! So I stuck my chin out and stared down anyone who was staring at me. I took my time looking at purses and made eye contact with everyone around me. It was an empowering experience. I know we all hate losing my hair - but I wasn't gonna let a bunch of stupid strangers take away the time I was spending with my daughter, or make ME feel bad about anything. Screw them! TOWANDA!

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited August 2013

    Alibeths -

    My surgeon told me she wouldn't save them because they are breast tissue just like everything else they are removing, so it's possible for cancer to remain in that area. Why go through all of that surgery then have cancer remaining in your nipples? I'd have them removed. I am having a free flap reconstruction, so they will be rebuilt along with the rest of my breast and tattooed to match the other side. What kind of reconstruction are you doing? You need to decide that before having surgery, because it dictates alot of what gets done during the mastectomy. I had a skin sparing one so that I can have free flap done. They installed a tissue expander so that my skin doesn't get all jacked up during radiation, but stays the size I need it for recon. Decide that part first, then have the mastectomy done to accomodate the type of recon you're gonna do later. Unless you've decided not to reconstruct - then it doesn't matter. Good luck!

  • OceanWarrior
    OceanWarrior Member Posts: 96
    edited August 2013

    Dygvrl - what an inspiring post.  First of all, that is great going out with you bald head.  I've not done it yet.  I want to in a way, just have not for some reason.  I feel good with no head coverings on and I think I look good too so I should go out and be proudly me.  I bet it is empowering.  And...yup I bet you are right a little effort in the right direction and my body will kick in.  Time to start planning date night Wink  

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited August 2013

    Ocean -

    you should totally go out with you're pretty bald head! I've seen lots of beautiful bald women out there. I don't like wearing hats either because it's too hot. I'm not gonna pass out to keep others happy lol. Yep I'm bald and beautiful. Like it or leave it! Good luck with date night - plan something fun, wear something sexy and just enjoy being close with your partner!

  • kayezzy66
    kayezzy66 Member Posts: 116
    edited August 2013

    I was informed that i was to take emend with the taxol..for 12 weeks,once a week.Does everyone have to take emend ,said i should take it...thanks

  • Angstapp
    Angstapp Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2013

    Hi everyone,

    So glad I've found this thread.  I started chemo in June and have 2 chemo's left to go - hurrah!!!

    I've really struggled with the chemo, sick as a dog on FEC, was told by onco that Taxotere would be a walk in the park, pffft, had that last wednesday and only just got home from hospital!  Bloody hell, my body is a complete chemo failure!!!!

    Has anyone has had Taxotere and has had peeling fingers???  And little blister things - what if anything did you use to help, and all my skin is beginning to flake off?  Does it get worse with the more chemo's you have?

    Thanks everyone and looking forward to reading about your journey's

    Ange 

  • AryaS
    AryaS Member Posts: 131
    edited August 2013

    I have had the peeling fingers and toes off and on. Lotion, lots of lotion. My ONC says it's normal. Not much fun though. The peeling seems to happen on a certain day or two in the cycle of things and then gets better.

  • KatiAK
    KatiAK Member Posts: 138
    edited August 2013

    Netter - my mother-in-law had 3 different kinds of cancer, she had a bilateral mx, did chemo, rads and hormone blocking medication.  She's doing fine some 12 years later.   Well - she has other issues - not cancer related.

    Dyvgrl you are amazing!  I just can't do it but more power to you!

    No peeling fingers but my fingernails are turning brown and they hurt!

    I went to the barn tonight and played with the horses.  I didn't ride - mostly did chores then brought horses in from the pasture during a very rare Alaskan thunder and lighening storm that included a 10 minute downpour.  Spent 2 hours out there and it was 2 hours of life!  I loved it!  Such a wonderful evening.

    Have a good weekend!

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited August 2013

    Kati,

    We were in Chugiak watching my sons football game when the storm rolled in. Got lots of rain and a flash of lightning but no hail like the valley. We had a nice rainbow afterwards. Weird how evenings like this can be nice even in the dark skies and downpours. It's good to be alive!

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited August 2013

    Kayezzy66-

    I take emend with my AC treatments. It works well for nausea. I was also doing Aloxi at the same time but it gave my bad headaches so now I get an 8 hr does of Zofran along with the Emend. Really helps get me through the first few days.

  • kayezzy66
    kayezzy66 Member Posts: 116
    edited August 2013

    Thanks  Dyvgrl, was wondering about that.Love reading your stories about Alaska.Sounds so nice.I live in Fl. and its been so hot.I go out, and get back in  to the air conditioner.This chemo has kicked my butt,my white blood cells take about 7 days to kick in,and im usually crashing,then i feel better.Had the peeling feet,and used Bag Balm on them,and it really helped.On the 10th. i go for taxol,for 12 weeks.The emend i have to pay for,its 113.00,for 3 pills each time.I also take zolfran,pills or slow desolving..will do what i have too...again thanks...Kay

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited August 2013

    Kay,

    Does insurance not pay for your meds?? That's a lot of money for an anti nausea med. Geesh!

  • kayezzy66
    kayezzy66 Member Posts: 116
    edited August 2013

    My insurance bc,medicare ,and we pay 113.00,or if we didnt have that it would be 430.00...now thats alot.so im glad its only that.And if i have to have it its worth it...i hate being sick...and thats only for 3 pills...

  • NisaVilla
    NisaVilla Member Posts: 574
    edited August 2013

    Ange, Monday will be my last chemo and taxotere has NOT been a walk in the park. Lots of SE's (some mild, some not! with neuropathy and edema being the worst -keep me from being able to walk from discomfort- but no peeling of toes. Good luck to you with the next 2 infusions. Aquaphor was advice I received for extremely dry skin and it helped me enormously. Perhaps you could try that? Nisa

  • Angstapp
    Angstapp Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2013

    Thanks Nisa, will see if i can find some tmw!  Out of interest, I kept my eyebrows after FEC - although they haved really thinned out, did any of y'all lose your eyebrows just from the Taxotere?

  • NisaVilla
    NisaVilla Member Posts: 574
    edited August 2013

    Hi Ang - My eyebrows have thinned out and still have about 50% of my eye lashes as well. I read here that they are usually gone after infusion #4. All courtesy of Taxotere!

  • Alibeths
    Alibeths Member Posts: 656
    edited August 2013

    Mine r thinning from taxol.

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