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  • virginiab
    virginiab Member Posts: 205
    edited July 2013

    Okay, Susan, you've aroused my curiosity. What is a lymphoscintigraphy? The word suggests that it has to do with the lymphatic system and the test produces an image. Is that anywhere close to what it really is?

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2013

    Virginia-I was hoping someone on the list would have had the procedure and would reassure me it is not as horrid as it sounds and looks. It is for the (hopefully) non-impacted breast. A small gauge needle is used to inject radioactive material into the breast around the areola, massaged to allow uptake by the lymphatic system and sentinel node. In some situations several injections are made. Have watched a You tube video--and does not look painful (the women are not writhing in pain anyway) but was hoping for someone in the group to provide real answers :)

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited July 2013

    Hi Ladies - had my last herceptin - Yahoo!!!!

    SusanHG123- don't stress, it is a much less painful than a local at the dentist!!! The injection is subcutaneous so stings slightly, but after what we have been through it is a walk in the park.

    Sentinel means "Guardian" ie you sentinel node is the doorkeeper to your lymphatic chain. Unfortunately lymph doesn't travel in a straight line, so it is difficult to see which are the first nodes your tumour drain to. There are several lymphatic chains they may drain into.

    They inject the isotope in the affected quadrant of the breast. It take several hours for the nodes to pick up the isotope, so they do it a few hours before your operation. When you are in theatre they have a small pen- like geiger counter device, and this picks up the radioactive reading from your sentinel node. Whilst you are in theatre they will also inject methalin blue. This drains almost instantly to your sentinel node. Between the blue colour, and the radioactive reading, they have a good idea of your guardian node. As you do not have a tumour that they know of in that breast, they may give several injections to cover all the quadrants. I am guessing however that they will probably just check the axillary chain of nodes. Not long to go now until your operation. Thinking of you.

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2013

    Thanks  Maddie. I did not think of sentinel as the guardian. I am having the injection the day prior @ 3:45 and am first case the next morning. 10 days from now. Have a lumpy bumpy breast-so expecting multiple injections. Have appointments set with the cardiologist and medical oncologist so can schedule MUGA or ECHO and make a plan about restarting Herceptin. I am convinced the lowering ejection fraction is due to adriamycin not herceptin. 

    This is the July group of anniversaries. My birthday was the 11th. A year ago I had 9 punch biopsies and a clip placed followed by a MRI of my poor sad breasts and a bone scan. The 13th I got my diagnosis and was told I was not a candidate for surgery. Oh my. There is very old scotch in my future. 

    Love to all. 

  • FeelingtheMagic
    FeelingtheMagic Member Posts: 155
    edited July 2013

    SusanHG.. yes, I see it! I see very old scotch in your future!  ~smile~  Keep us updated with your surgery and know I'm sending you lots of good wishes.

    And guess what? My hair is growing again! Oh ya, baby, like a weed.   Okay, like a weed compared to before. I think credit to the supplements (mentioned earlier, prescribed by integrative health doctor) and also to being a month finished herceptin.  So, am on the upswing, but definately researching alternative, (traditional and other) to tamoxifen.

    Maddie, SusanHG.. how's your hair?

    Everyone who has finished active treatments, how's your life... do you feel like you are getting back to your usual life? or creating something new? or in a processing, healing stage?  I'm curious! 

    Hugs to all

  • Itsalltemporary
    Itsalltemporary Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2013

    Hello Ladies - just checking back in. SusanHG - thinking of you! Finished my chemo in Oct and radiation in Feb - have to say, now a mere 5 months later that all seems so long ago. Feeling completely back to normal physically (even training for the Avon Breast Cancer Walk in Sept - walked 16 miles last weekend - woohoo!). While physically I feel the same, emotionally I am changed. I think I value (and nurture) my good friendships and family ties more than i used to. I might even be a little more outspoken. Just feel like I want to treasure the good things and have less tolerance for the nonsense. Anyone else feeling like that?

    One little humorous thing I noticed....life was quite simple when we had no hair! No eyebrow waxing appointments, no haircuts, no hair coloring. Hair takes a lot of maintenance! Still trying to figure out whether or not I like my very curly hair. Wish I knew if it was going to stay curly - and therefore I should go through that tough in-between stage, or if the curls will loosen up - in which case I won't bother growing it out. All in all - can't complain - its a good problem to have.

    Hope all of you are feeling better and doing good things!

  • natL12
    natL12 Member Posts: 135
    edited July 2013

    Checking in also.  I vowed that I would make more time for friendships when the treatments were over, but, guess what?...I reverted back to my old ways which mean I am at the gym 2 mornings a week and out on the trails at the state park for 5 to 7 miles another morning. I have time for the friends who stuck with me and cared, but am not going out of my way for others.

    Hair..WOW, it sure is nice to have some, I get occasoinal compliments on my "new hair-cut".  I haven't had it cut! It's about 1 and 1/2  inches long. don't have to blow-dry it, don't have to use a curling iron (or straightening iron), can ride in the convertible without tying it up and fussing with it. Want to bet if I'm anxious for it to grow more? Not at all!  (And I'm very glad to have eyebrows again.)

    Good wishes to all still going through treatments. Nat

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited July 2013

    Hi Ladies - how nice to hear from you all, and to hear you are all doing so well. itsalltemp - I have also wondered about the staying power of the curls. If my hair reverts to being like it used to be, a short hair cut is not for me- I would look like a street urchin. It would just stick to my head!!!! Being bald or having short hair is very liberating -time wise. As you say hair takes a lot of maintenance. I am also not sure if I like mine so curly, but on the plus side, it stays where you put it, and I am soooo glad to have hair. I am serious - if I brush it back, it stays back. My old hair would never have done that, and I LOVE that side of it. Has anyone else found that with the new hair. Feeling the magic- my hair is still slow and steady, but my blooming eyelashes are thinning AGAIN!!! One of the chemo side effects people would pay for, is not having to shave one's legs or armpits. 

    Wow you ladies are all doing so well physically - running, walking and going to gym. I am still very tired sometimes, and have not got back to full fitness. I finished my herceptin last week, and I am pretty sure that had a lot to do with it, so hope I start picking up a bit physically. 

    I think we have all changed emotionally.  I cherish my friends and family, and find myself chocked with tears if something is particularly beautiful- flowers, scenery, music etc. It is like being pregnant!!! I used to howl over some of the fairy stories I read to my sons. I had to stop reading them for a while. Wept for an hour over "The little match girl", various dog stories and " Charlotte's web". I sometimes wonder about children's books- they are so dark sometimes. I also try not to rush around so much. So what if I am 5 minutes late.

    Thinking of you all.

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited July 2013

    Amen to the hair comments!  Mine was soooooooo straight before chemo and it's come back with a little bit of wave and one spot near the nape of my neck that curls.  It's taken some getting use to and I'm still not sure if I am.  Last week I went for my first REAL hair cut (had a teeny trim done to even out after it started coming back--that didn't count) and it looks much healthier now.  I didn't realize how dead the ends were.  I'm trying to wear it longer than I did before chemo and I'm not sure if I like all this fussing around.  I wouldn't mind going back to that cute pixie cut I had :)

    This week I saw my oncologist for my 1st 6 month checkup.  Has anyone else who is finished with treatment done this yet?  I find it a complete and utter waste of time!  I have to see my GP every 6 months because I'm on other types of medication so they do a complete blood workup, BP, listen to the lungs and all that other good stuff.  You know... the same stuff my MO did on Tuesday.  Except for the blood work.  I had my GP fax the results to their office in the hopes I wouldn't have to get stuck.  It worked and I felt like I won the lottery because I didn't have to have a blood draw!  So that's my question.... If I have to see my GP every 6 months and they do the exact same thing as an MO, then why do I have to see them both?  Can't one of them just fax a report to the other one?  

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited July 2013

    Hi Chell45 - I am not sure about this, because I see my oncologist in August for my end of treatment checkup- just finished the herceptin- maybe they check your breasts and lymph nodes? Did your GP do that? Does seem like a waste of time if they do the exact same things. Maybe you should bring it up with your GP. Your oncologist may also have wanted to see you to check if you had any lingering effects from your chemo etc. Sorry - I see I misspelled choke last time!!

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2013

    I am still seeing the whole crew-surgeon (have 2nd mastectomy this week), RO for continued F/U; MO to discuss how to finish herceptin, cardiologist due to decreasing ejection fraction, and rarely medical person. Will be glad to narrow the group.

    Hair. Mine fell out 3, yes 3 times this year. The normal 1st time beginning @ day 13-went for shave @ day 16. Then after my first surgery when I went back on Taxol. Had about 1-1/2". gone. Then grew out as a color of Curella DeVille-black and white. Had never had a black hair on my body. Natural was a reddish blond. About a month later all the black fell out-was about 1 1/2" long. Had a light rinse to the natural color-some fell out to a male pattern baldness. Rest quit growing. Am now faded to a pale rust.  Arm hair mostly gone. Leg hair and l underarm growing. R-where dissected not growing. Eyebrows thinning again, lashes come and go. Top of my head sticks up like a mohawk. Sides curly. Back has 2 "cow licks" on alternate sides of top back. All new. My hairdresser said we will try for a bit of a "normal" color after surgery.

    Other than that.....

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited July 2013

    Hi SusanHG123 - bet you make a sexy Mohican!!! Good luck with the surgery. Will be thinking of you and praying all goes well. Check in when you feel up to it to let us know how the surgery has gone.

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2013

    Oh---to feel sexy again! Something about having NO hormones. 

    Will post after surgery. For some reason am having anxiety. And no reason. Last surgery was easy-had a pain pump ball and no pain and a scopalamine patch to help with nausea. Was quite simple actually. My breasts never defined me other than when breast feeding my 4 and I never was one to flaunt the cleavage. But this is proving difficult. 

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited July 2013

    Susan, Maybe your anxiety is more about the why and less about the surgery itself? Breasts don't define us, but they are a part of our body.  A very visible part.  Losing them is a big deal.  
    Sending prayers that all goes well and you sail thru it with no complications and little discomfort.

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2013

    Had 2nd mastectomy. Patho back today-breast tissue, 2 sentinel nodes and 9 additional nodes--all CLEAR!! Best news I have had since June 25, 2012! Pain pump ball keeping suture line pain free. Have edema around my port-that hurts. Did not know that crepitus (the edema that feels like you are popping packing material under your skin) hurt. Another update for my health science students. Have 2 drains instead of 1-but not a problem--especially with clean and clear pathology. This has been the first true good news in the entire year.    

    Hope our other members are well-and just avoiding any mention of the big C.

    Love to all

    s  

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited July 2013

    WONDERFUL news Susan! Laughing

  • virginiab
    virginiab Member Posts: 205
    edited July 2013

    Congratulations, Susan on your good news! What a relief!

  • natL12
    natL12 Member Posts: 135
    edited July 2013

    We all like to hear good news Susan.  Sorry you had to go through another surgery.  Nat

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2013

    Thank you ladies. Received final pathology report yesterday-with clear margins, clear everywhere, and another statement of crappy tissue. Well--am fresh out of breasts to remove-so do not think that will be an issue :)

    My first one was easy peasy. Took very few drugs if any. Not the case this time. Am on my way to "camp" if I keep taking drugs in this manner. This darn surgery hurts! Ball was removed Sunday night and suture line started raising the nasty pain receptors Monday. The pain I live with daily started in competition as to who could raise the higher. Will be a week tomorrow so am hoping will start doing the downward dance. And my energy level will start to increase. AND I will quit whining!

    Love to each on a cloudy morning in southeastern NM. No Aliens noted.

    susan

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2013

    Hi Susan,

    Thanks for your update - have been thinking of you. I am sorry this surgery was so painful. I also found mine particularly painful - think it may have been the inflated implant. It took about 4 weeks to finally settle, and I finally thought to hell with it I am taking the pain killers!!! Hope yours doesn't take that long and eases off soon. Why did they remove so many lymph nodes on a breast they thought was clear of cancer? On the plus side it definitely gives you peace of mind that it was clear of disease. Have they taken your drain out yet? 

    Sleep well Susan and rest up.

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited August 2013

    Thank you Maddie. I am taking drugs. Went to my neighborhood pharmacist yesterday (I don't use the big chain guys--have a wonderful small pharmacist who still delivers!) and turned into "one of those people" and cried in the pharmacy. He spoke to surgeon and oncologist and now am on a better protocol. At least have a handle on the pain. Am so surprised at the level of pain since the 1st was almost pain free. I see the surgeon Monday to remove drains. I will drive from Roswell to Albuquerque (my house to her office 3.5 hours), see her (20 minutes), drive back (3.5 hours). Asked of someone local could do it, explained that almost everyone I know has some sort of initials after their name, would text photos, whatever. Nope. Should not complain. Very fond of my surgeon. And can do a Whole Foods and Trader Joe's run (pack a cooler and buy ice). Go to Barnes and Noble-i still prefer real books to my reader, dash through a couple of stores, and head back. 

    My intent is to work all day starting Tuesday. Will be pleased with 3/4th of the day, and fine with 1/2 day. Saw the cardiiologist today. He is punting me back to the oncologist UNLESS my next MUGA or shows further decrease then will be punted back to him. See my oncologist next week to schedule the MUGA and discuss Herceptin.

    Off to bed I go. Still get tired so very easy. Dog sitting a big old lug of a golden who weighs about 100lbs. Adding to my almost 13 year severely delayed lab mix who weighs about 80 and my 6 year old obese English lab with thyroid disease who tips the scales at 107 not--makes for a mighty big pile of dogs! All 3 are rescue and very beloved. 

    Much love,

    s

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2013

    Hi Susan - glad you are taking the pain killers. I NEVER take pain killers, but had to after my mastectomy. Took some big guns for about 2 and a half to 3 weeks and then only took Cocodamol - a codeine pain killer-for another week or so. A friend told me she had such bad pain she had to take pain killers for 6 months! Made me feel a lot better about taking them.  I think you are going back to work a bit too early - please give yourself 2 more weeks- I think you need that recovery time, especially with your cardiac problems. Good luck with the MUGA scan.

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2013

    Hi Susan,

    Hope you drain is out by now and that you are feeling less pain. Hate those drains!! I had 3 for my mastectomy, and I wouldn't stop bleeding. After 4 days they were getting too heavy to pick up to go to the toilet. I was getting warfarin everyday to prevent clots, and I said to the nurse - "I'll never stop bleeding if you keep giving me that, doesn't make sense to try to stop the bleeding and still give me an anti coagulant " She said it was a fine balancing act, but I think the warfarin was winning!!!

    Your dogs sound lovely. I love Labs. Let us know how your MUGA scan went.

    Sleep well

  • mssunshine71
    mssunshine71 Member Posts: 162
    edited August 2013

    Hi all.  Good to hear how you are all doing.  I'm still on Herceptin until the end of Nov.  Been living with one tissue expander as I lost the other to infection.  I get to start again the end of fall.  Hair is thickening but not really growing in length but happy to have it all the same.  i would like to go for a funky style and get it dyed platnum blonde but the hairdresser is leary.  Has anyone had a bleach blonde dye job with good results?

  • Live2Laugh2Love
    Live2Laugh2Love Member Posts: 39
    edited August 2013

    Now that I am done with Breast Cancer treatment, I am finding out if I have MS. New year, new disease. I have been to the ER twice and because they couldn't figure it out, they told me it all was in my head, that I was faking it. I looked up muscle disorders and MS came up and it fit 95% of everything going on. I had a MRI and had to spots of white matter and I had two really bad episodes. I have more testing to do. Doctors can be so irritating.

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2013

    mssunshine- I remember you had infection in one of your implants. I am so sorry you have to do it all again. Hopefully it won't be so painful this time, as the skin may be stretched from the short time you did have it in? My hair is also not growing fast, but is really thick. I gauge it by my leg and pubic hairs. If they thin or stop growing I know my hair is going to slow down for a while. It seems to grow in cycles. I have coloured my hair, though not platinum blonde, and it took okay. You just have to use a really good creamy moisturiser as it does tend to get dry. You will also have to colour only the roots when you recolour, and not the whole head or you hair will dry and split. You sem to be on a long cycle of herceptin. I took it for a year, and I think the herceptin slows the hair growth a bit. How long have you been taking it?

    Live2Laugh - that is terrible news. I am sooo sorry. I hope it turns out to be something else and not MS. Could it be a muscle disorder caused by the Tax, as I still have terrible trouble with my leg muscles and ankles. Pain and cramp. Sending you BIG hugs and hoping they find the problem.

  • Live2Laugh2Love
    Live2Laugh2Love Member Posts: 39
    edited August 2013

    I went the the oncologist today and asked about my MRI, and I have 2 white matter spots 3mm and 4mm in my right frontal lob of my brain.That's what is causing all of my troubles, I think. At least I know I don't have a brain tumor or a stroke. Life is never a dull moment.

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited August 2013

    Live2Laugh-I am so very sorry. Not being a brain tumor or a stroke is so good---now lets go with not MS. 

    My hair is not growing-but is thicker. I am going to have it colored in a couple of weeks-but back to my more normal color. It is growing is more of a brownish tan gold. Natural color is a reddish strawberry. Still have curls on the side but the Mohawk is sliding to flat.

    Drains pulled. Suture line bruised and battered but healing. Went to work Tuesday and stayed all day. Tried to go Wednesday Meetings were cancelled. I went in for 15 minutes and signed forms. Stayed Thursday until appointment with MO @ 3 and Friday until noon. And am so tired. Wiil do part time the next 2 weeks. 

    Met with my MO this week. I will have a MUGA on Monday. He took me off Femara due to side effects. I am to stay off a week to 10 days. If SE decrease will try another medication. If they do not decrease will talk options. MUGA-if decreased will talk options. If increased will have 1 dose of Herceptin and repeat MUGA in 3 weeks. This is the first time he really sat with me and talked to me like a person. He actually discussed the severity of my disease the the increased chances of recurrence. Recommended I  not have reconstruction even when I can in a year. It was a tough conversation. Very tough. I told him I was surprised I lived through taxotere. He just looked @ me. I cannot afford to retire. And I love what I do. No one as said to make a bucket list. But I have done the research and know the outcomes. Kinda suck.

    love to each.

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited August 2013

    Live2Laugh2 - thrilled to hear it is not MS. What are the 2 white matter spots they have picked up?

    Susan - I am sorry to hear you are bruised from the drain removal. How is the pain you were experiencing? I hope it has eased off a bit. The talk with your MO sounded tough, but it isn't over 'til the fat lady sings as they say in the classics. I never knew until a few years ago it was talking about the state of Texas. They have removed a lot of your lymph nodes, and if they did a good job it may not have spread any futher. Will keep hoping and praying for a good result for you. You have been so courageous sticking out so many taxotere treatments- more than any of the others in our group -that I am sure it will have killed the suckers stone dead. Big Hugs!!

  • natL12
    natL12 Member Posts: 135
    edited August 2013

    Thinking about both SusanHG and Live2Laugh...So many of us are through and doing well. I'm sorry you are still facing these problems.

    Regarding reconstruction...my plastic surgeon didn't want to do that for the fear that I would have a stroke (I'd had 2 TEIs the previous year). I'm so glad I decided to go with a single boob. I know it'a not beautiful, but it's not the problem that some are still faceing with continued surgeries.

    Sending hugs and good thoughts to those still facing problems. I see my MO later this week; hope it's just a formality and he says all is well.

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